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aviator_fan said:
Muslim Moghuls were outnumbered by Hindus 10 to 1 and ruled them for 100s of years.

And all these years, China was useless against Taiwan (50s, 60s, 70s, 80s)
Get this stupid concept out of your head.
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The more of a population of a potential adversary lives in total delusion the better it is for us. I would encourage him to think the way he does.
 
thetutle said:
I dont doubt US strength, its unparalleled. There are many countries US can defeat. Russia, china, all of EU. It can however not defeat Taliban or prevent them from ruling Afghanistan. This it seems will take some time to sink in and be accepted by many Americans. And its This lack of understanding and insight which led to the US defeat in Afghanistan.

Yes Taliban lost more soldiers, but their flag flies over Kabul. By any measure they won the war.

You lost, accept it, move on and learn from it. or dont. make no difference to me. Do it again but at your own peril.

US won in Afghanistan the same way russia will win in Ukraine. It will withdraw and declare total victory and all objectives achieved.

US won in Afghanistan the same way Japan won Ww2. you see Japan just got tired of fighting and there was no more domestic support for the war, particularly in Nagasaki, and a small group of Japanese leaders decided its better to end the war for their own political future.
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By any measure? That is where you are wrong because that comment implied there are many standards upon which to assess a war. And the military standards? We won. A war -- a REAL war -- start with combat. Not rhetoric or argument, but actual fighting. Combat is actually simple to understand. One side remain standing, the other side lie on the ground. But precisely that a 'war' have non-combat contexts that allows what constitutes 'winning' to be in play and the further away that context from actual fighting, the easier it is to assess who actually 'won' the war.

Afghanistan is the 'graveyard of empires' as so many pretentiously repeated to pretend they are so wise and prescient. BULLSHIT...!!!

Why the F did so many empires managed to get into Afghanistan in the first place? Anybody bothered to ask that question? Because Afghanistan does not have defenders, as in a military that is willing to sacrifice itself at the borders. The US military did not lose to the Taliban. We did not left Afghanistan because we finally learned how fierce was the Taliban as a combat force. We left because we got tired of trying to lift the country out of the dark ages. That goal have nothing to do with fighting, at least not physically fighting. So because it is remote from military affairs, that allows people like you to interpret wars and winnings any way you like.
 
SIPRA said:
I fail to understand that when, according to a number of posters, on this thread, Ukraine has already defeated Russia; then why this thread is continuing. It should better be closed.
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Easy to understand:

1. Its the single place to look at Russia's version of it
2. And for all the Russia supporters, its the only place where they can keep talking about Afghanistan and NATO, or NATO's coloniolism and all else as if that makes Russia's inability to win a sure thing excusable. Nobody said NATO were angels: war needs to wrap up so fertilizer can get produced, wheat exported, and the starving poor don't have to keep on getting screwed again.
 
gambit said:
The US military did not lose to the Taliban. We did not left Afghanistan because we finally learned how fierce was the Taliban as a combat force.
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I tell you what I have learn or what to some extend what US military have learn.

Taliban is very good at playing Whack-a-mole. They are a master of cave.

I don't know how "fierce" they fought, because most of their time, they would choose not to fight us. They just hide in the cave been doing so for the last 20 years.
 
The planned high speed railway will connect the Baltics to central Europe. The link to Russia will become history.

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The high-speed rail project cutting Baltic states' ties with Russia

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Viet said:
Ukraine army advance unstoppable.
The spearhead has crossed the Oskil and now controlling the East river bank. Seems the russian defense positions at the river after Charkiw retreat are overrun.


www.reuters.com

Ukraine strengthens hold on liberated lands, separatist calls for urgent referendum

Ukraine extended its hold on recently recaptured territory as troops marched farther east into areas abandoned by Russia.
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As I said before, they have abandoned the entire Svatove - Kremina - Sieverodonetsk line. They are drawing troop down south, which is strange considering their PMC and VDV still trying to push forward in Siversky and Bakhmut......
 
jhungary said:
I tell you what I have learn or what to some extend what US military have learn.

Taliban is very good at playing Whack-a-mole. They are a master of cave.

I don't know how "fierce" they fought, because most of their time, they would choose not to fight us. They just hide in the cave been doing so for the last 20 years.
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If they didn't fight then why did NATO run?

gambit said:
By any measure? That is where you are wrong because that comment implied there are many standards upon which to assess a war. And the military standards? We won. A war -- a REAL war -- start with combat. Not rhetoric or argument, but actual fighting. Combat is actually simple to understand. One side remain standing, the other side lie on the ground. But precisely that a 'war' have non-combat contexts that allows what constitutes 'winning' to be in play and the further away that context from actual fighting, the easier it is to assess who actually 'won' the war.

Afghanistan is the 'graveyard of empires' as so many pretentiously repeated to pretend they are so wise and prescient. BULLSHIT...!!!

Why the F did so many empires managed to get into Afghanistan in the first place? Anybody bothered to ask that question? Because Afghanistan does not have defenders, as in a military that is willing to sacrifice itself at the borders. The US military did not lose to the Taliban. We did not left Afghanistan because we finally learned how fierce was the Taliban as a combat force. We left because we got tired of trying to lift the country out of the dark ages. That goal have nothing to do with fighting, at least not physically fighting. So because it is remote from military affairs, that allows people like you to interpret wars and winnings any way you like.
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Create a separate thread for "Why did NATO leave Afghanistan" as this thread is for Ukraine-Russia war.
 
jhungary said:
As I said before, they have abandoned the entire Svatove - Kremina - Sieverodonetsk line. They are drawing troop down south, which is strange considering their PMC and VDV still trying to push forward in Siversky and Bakhmut......
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Yes they do so because they have received Putin’s order to take Bakhmut at all costs. While the rest focusing to bomb Ukraine infrastructure and terrorize the population. Putin the greatest military leader in the universe. The neonazi Wagner will do the dirty job.

However taking Bakhmut won’t be easy. Ukraine has dug in heavily fortified bunkers and positions.
 
khansaheeb said:
If they didn't fight then why did NATO run?
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Ask Trump. Third time I said this, Trump pull the deal out by himself, it was neither needed or wanted. I don't know why he did that but I can guess, because he is losing in the poll and the only thing he say he will do but didn't is to pull troop off Afghanistan,

Trump leave when we are in the middle of Resolute Support, Taliban activities were minimum during 2017, 2018, and 2019, so much so Trump's own National Security Advisor deem it is safe enough to transfer sensitive Military Article to Afghanistan, that's where the Blackhawk, Little Bird were signed to Afghanistan, and even deals with Boeing to sell Chinook to the Afghan.

Either the Trump's NSA team were shit, or got paid to do that, or it's really that safe to do so, the spike only come after Doha Agreement and after the Troop draw down. That's lead to increase Taliban Activities, not the other way around.

As for whether or not Taliban is capable fighting, name me one FOB, COB that was overrun by Taliban. I am not even asking you to name regional command base or big base like KAF or Bastion. Small FOB and COB only, name me some of them being overrun by Taliban?

Viet said:
Yes they do so because they have received Putin’s order to take Bakhmut at all costs. While the rest focusing to bomb Ukraine infrastructure and terrorize the population. Putin the greatest military leader in the universe. The neonazi Wagner will do the dirty job.

However taking Bakhmut won’t be easy. Ukraine has dug in heavily fortified bunkers and positions.
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There is virtually no way for them to take Bakhmut, they had tried that since July when they took Lysychansk, even if they somehow manage to take it, that would be moot because once Ukrainian took Svatove and Sieverodonetsk, and they will because the Russia is abandoning the line there, they can just isolate and encircle Bakhmut had they lost them, making that push pointless.
 
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jhungary said:
Ask Trump. Third time I said this, Trump pull the deal out by himself, it was neither needed or wanted. I don't know why he did that but I can guess, because he is losing in the poll and the only thing he say he will do but didn't is to pull troop off Afghanistan,

Trump leave when we are in the middle of Resolute Support, Taliban activities were minimum during 2017, 2018, and 2019, so much so Trump's own National Security Advisor deem it is safe enough to transfer sensitive Military Article to Afghanistan, that's where the Blackhawk, Little Bird were signed to Afghanistan, and even deals with Boeing to sell Chinook to the Afghan.

Either the Trump's NSA team were shit, or got paid to do that, or it's really that safe to do so, the spike only come after Doha Agreement and after the Troop draw down. That's lead to increase Taliban Activities, not the other way around.

As for whether or not Taliban is capable fighting, name me one FOB, COB that was overrun by Taliban. I am not even asking you to name regional command base or big base like KAF or Bastion. Small FOB and COB only, name me some of them being overrun by Taliban?


There is virtually no way for them to take Bakhmut, they had tried that since July when they took Lysychansk, even if they somehow manage to take it, that would be moot because once Ukrainian took Svatove and Sieverodonetsk, and they will because the Russia is abandoning the line there, they can just isolate and encircle Bakhmut had they lost them, making that push pointless.
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Well the US generals beg to differ from you, so soldier, just keep it shut and follow orders.

U.S. lost war in Afghanistan through miscalculations spanning multiple administrations, Milley tells lawmakers​

By Karoun Demirjian
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September 29, 2021 at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Milley: Afghanistan war was 'lost' through decisions spanning 20 years
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Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark A. Milley on Sept. 29 said the Afghanistan war was “lost” through decisions spanning multiple administrations. (Video: The Washington Post, Photo: Rod Lamkey/Pool via AP/The Washington Post)

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Correction: A previous version of this story stated incorrectly that Gen. Mark A. Milley described the war in Afghanistan as a loss for the first time publicly on Wednesday. He described the conflict’s outcome in similar terms Tuesday.

President Biden’s top military adviser told lawmakers Wednesday that the war in Afghanistan was lost through pivotal decisions spanning four previous administrations, offering his latest defense of the commander in chief whose order to end the 20-year campaign and the treacherous evacuation that followed have come under withering scrutiny on Capitol Hill.

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aviator_fan said:
There you go with the population crap again. Israel has brought to knees all its arab neighbors in every war (4 countries). China was useless against Vietnam, a fraction of its size.

Muslim Moghuls were outnumbered by Hindus 10 to 1 and ruled them for 100s of years.

And all these years, China was useless against Taiwan (50s, 60s, 70s, 80s)
Get this stupid concept out of your head.


Sage analysis of using older armaments in the war here so replenishing from these countries.

Air Force however is not using vintage: they are using all current front-line aircraft (or were before they stopped). Why the inconsistency?

And this is a doomed war if you go in using your backward weapons: what are Russians saving their newer weapons for? Fighting Finland?

And lastly, they must have a weakness in their industrial capacity to replenish their newer ones if they are choosing to preserve them.
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I saw the pattern of limited usage of air force for airstrikes. Could be due to the factor of having limited numbers of good fighters on Russian side and expectation that NATO could intervene. Yes they have many weaknesses but not enough to make remarks that they are lacking in ammunition or so. The way media is portraying and there is already new thread that Russians have no to very low stockpile left of cruise missiles. if you check defense industry of N.Korea they make plenty of these 152mm shells and Russian Artillery comprises of 152mm a lot. even new 155mm artillery has compatibility with 152mm. If I was Russian and in control of arms procurement then I would have bought additional artillery from friendlies as insurance.

what are Russians saving their newer weapons for?

Well obviously NATO intervention at full scale. Plus, the fact that the true estimation of end of war shouldnt be less than 3 to 5 years.
 
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khansaheeb said:
Well the US generals beg to differ from you, so soldier, just keep it shut and follow orders.

U.S. lost war in Afghanistan through miscalculations spanning multiple administrations, Milley tells lawmakers​

By Karoun Demirjian
and
Alex Horton

September 29, 2021 at 6:13 p.m. EDT

Milley: Afghanistan war was 'lost' through decisions spanning 20 years
1:01

Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark A. Milley on Sept. 29 said the Afghanistan war was “lost” through decisions spanning multiple administrations. (Video: The Washington Post, Photo: Rod Lamkey/Pool via AP/The Washington Post)

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Well, try to read between the line

He said "“lost” through decisions spanning multiple administrations." It's quite clear he meant the Agreement to withdraw troop from Afghan by Trump, but he can't say that since he was the President and miltiary cannot be political, so he literally just went and blame the entire line of administration.

Again, if Taliban is really that "Fierce" fighter we all fear, tell me which COP and FOB they overrun? So we can be fear of them?? Lol
 
khansaheeb said:
Create a separate thread for "Why did NATO leave Afghanistan" as this thread is for Ukraine-Russia war.
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I totally agree with you. Why NATO left Afghanistan is another matter entirely. It should be discussed in another topic.

By the way, I think Trump's smartest decision was to leave Afghanistan. You cannot force people to change. If they want to live in the Middle Ages, let them do so. As long as they don't interfere with others.
 
khansaheeb said:
Create a separate thread for "Why did NATO leave Afghanistan" as this thread is for Ukraine-Russia war.
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And yet, it is usually not Americans who brought up Afghanistan in other threads...:lol:

jhungary said:
Again, if Taliban is really that "Fierce" fighter we all fear, tell me which COP and FOB they overrun? So we can be fear of them?? Lol
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Looks like Ukrainians are fiercer fighters than the Taliban. The Ukrainians are actually planning and executing combat operations while the Taliban hid in caves and among civilians waiting for Americans to get tired of being away from home.
 

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