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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

Foinikas said:
Oh and that wasn't real combat? And if the PzH 2000 gets ruined in "not real combat",by being overworked,then what will happened in real combat? The entire gun will blow up? Dude...we have the PzH 2000 in our army. It's a great SP artillery system. But the Ukrainians were firing 300 shells per day and ruined it in just a few days. They did the same with 2 more systems. The Russian artillery is more rugged,more simple,more let's say "primitive" and has less problems being overworked.
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I looked at and was at a live fire exercise in Ukraine with their D-30 from a friend of mine with the 95th Brigade, I will tell you compared to my knowledge of M777, Russian gun is not more rugged. They are the same, if not in a less sustainable way than western Artillery, the recommended number for rounds after barrel change is around 4500 with western artillery. You can push it to ~6000 between change (as demonstrated by the 11th MEU in 2017, which fired 35,000 rounds in 5 months with a single Battery, burning out 2 guns) although typical barrel change comes at 2000.

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Marines in Syria fired more rounds than any artillery battalion since Vietnam — and burned out 2 howitzers in the process

"In five months they fired 35,000 artillery rounds on ISIS targets, killing ISIS fighters by the dozens," an senior Army official said.
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A D-30 can fire between 1500-2500 between barrel change. I don't know how much they can do if the operator pushes them, but typical barrel life I would say is either similar or behind the Western counterpart.

The issue here is, Ukraine cannot fix their barrel with the western system in place, any maintenance and repair, you would have to bring it back to Poland and fix it there. This problem, combine with the general use of extreme range, which mean more charges and more wear and tear than firing at closer range. Which mean when one system is down, the down time could be days. the other artillery has to boost their rate and compensate, which create a cycle of problem.

For Russia, they don't need to do that, because A.) Russia out number Ukraine with artillery between 10-12 to 1. And B,) Russia can replace their barrel in place, which mean their down time is not a few days, but merely hours if that repair crew are competent. Which mean they can have a quicker turn around than their Ukrainian counterpart.

No artillery piece was design to last thru tens of thousands of rounds in their barrel.
 
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Foinikas said:
That's a childish excuse. These people were supposedly trained and instructed on the proper use of these weapons,by the Germans,French and Americans. It's like telling me you bought a new phone and use the phone after 1 hour of charging it for the first time and then saying "I didn't have time to use the instructions,I wanted to use the phone fast". And the battery is fucked and you have to change it.

What kind of a excuse is that?


Chechens look better equipped than the average Russian soldier. It's like an entire division of special forces.
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What excuse? You have better, you sit in a living room. You have time to read Huawei instructions manuals. Yes, Ukraine army supposed to be relax, much of time for proper training, but they have no time. They receive weeks or months of training then they go directly to war.

The only limitation is thermal stress on the gun barrel that’s why they can’t shoot nonstop. But there is solution for that: water cooling. Every combustion engine has either water or oil cooling. I wonder why it’s not implemented.
 
sammuel said:
Reported him many time till I put him on Ignor.

So much spam makes it impossinle to read updates on the war ( this thread is actuallly a very good source on that ),

And i am talking about pages upon pages of nonsence he posted.


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Nobody is forcing you to read his posts. But other people are reading them and replying to them. Nonesense according to you is subjective.
 
LeGenD said:
Pakistan also showed similar problem in War On Terror while confronting Taliban groups. Talks, Talks, and Talks.
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Peshawar police tied a dead talib's body to a vehicle and paraded it around a city. I think we're past that stage now.
 
jhungary said:
First of all, the tweet doesn't say they will cross the reservoir, the tweet actually said the Ukrainian will have a shallower river crossing when the water dried up, water is going to dry up regardless of the dam being blown because it is about to hit summer over there. This is what he meant; this is not about blowing the dam. With the dam in place water is still going to dry up because it is summer and that dam would have prevented the water from flowing downstream to begin with, that's what dam do.....

Second, what that mean actually did not benefit the Ukrainian, because as said, they would have a easier crossing in a week and a half (More likely 2 to 3 weeks) which means you are giving Russian more time to prepare for the crossing if they really do cross there because you are giving them about 2 weeks more to prepare for it. How does it benefit the Ukrainian??
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Viet said:
How can it benefit Ukraine? Large agricultural area is flooded, crops destroyed, famine coming. This disaster will set back Ukraine for decades. The dam and surrounding area in control by Russia invasion army. The explosion was inside the machine rooms, not from outside. The detonation was registered by instruments in Norway and other stations in Europe.
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if you guys are so sure then why objecting so much when a NATO country member suggest international investigation with the presence of Ukrainian and Russian specialist and specialist from the rest of world

that's really fishy .
and the tweet at the end talk about transfer of the vehicles suited for marshland from several week ago to Ukraine that also is fishy.

and just think about famine and drought in Crimea that alone is incentive enough for Ukraine
 
Vergennes said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1667903325226913792
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Nice - the offensive is making good progress towards liberating Tokmak !!!!
 
Hack-Hook said:
if you guys are so sure then why objecting so much when a NATO country member suggest international investigation with the presence of Ukrainian and Russian specialist and specialist from the rest of world

that's really fishy .
and the tweet at the end talk about transfer of the vehicles suited for marshland from several week ago to Ukraine that also is fishy.

and just think about famine and drought in Crimea that alone is incentive enough for Ukraine
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First of all, how this have anything to do with my post? What I said is common sense. Or are you telling me that was not how Dam works? It would have been the same whether or not the dam was destroyed for the Ukrainian, because that dam, if in place, is going to stop that water flowing from upstream from Nova Kharkovka, which mean that river stream are going to dry with the dam intact, that's how physics works, unless you are telling me it's work differently in Dnipro River?

Second of all, blowing the dam work favorably toward the Russian, report are not suggesting that Russian is pulling troop off flooded area and use them as strategic reserve to face Ukraine counter offensive, those area is now flooded, which mean there are no way Ukraine can cross, and which mean Russia have about 2 to 3 weeks' time they can put a "Troop Surge" stage before the flood subsided and they have to redeploy force in those area.

And finally, to answer your question, why would the west want an investigation during Ukrainian counter offensive? Are you for real suggesting that the West want Ukraine to stop from launching an attack so they can put people in and investigate the hack out of that dam? Or you are saying they should insert those people regardless of fighting?? Maybe you should go and investigate that dam, see how you like it? LOL
 

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