Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[A.P. Richelieu]

Not irrelevant, point is don’t apply double standard. Wars can start for a number of unjustified reasons. Once it begins, you and others draw an arbitrary line that a set of morality principles has to apply here uniquely when none has been applied in the past.

I want Russia to lose now that it started the war. Ultimately Russia should have understood the reality of its military and financial strength and just been a manipulator. Instead the fear driven political culture where reality was hidden got it into this mess.

Iraq (in 2003, not prior to that) was also a defender that had not initiated a ‘Pearl Sevastapol’ action and was attacked unprovoked under a false pretext.

Iraq started the war. The US simply terminated the ceasefire agreement.
It gave three reasons for doing so. One is enough to start a war.

Your moral double standard (based on your flag) is suspect as it was Israel supported militia that massacred thousands in 1982 in Sabra and Shatila camps so you will not understand it.

It was the Falangists that committed the massacre. Sharon was forced to resign over the issue.

In fact what you say (or anybody on this forum says) about moral standard or double standard is irrelevant. BUt what is irrelevant is when Europeans amplify this thought you project, the world knows better and doesn’t fall in line.

Many tweak the facts, like You do.

This is why non NATO/non-Europeans have not openly condemned. They have chosen neutrality as the path ahead. South Africa is having a BRIC summit (as stupid as it is to have it ) and give Putin diplomatic immunity just to make a point.

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663879243384643587

 

[ZeGerman]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663879243384643587

That is how to deal with a cockroach infestation…..

 

[Viet]

New lows between Germany and Russia. Germany’s opposition and government party support the delivery of Taurus cruise missiles to Ukraine. The 500 km range high precision cruise missiles can strike deep into Russia positions.

Meanwhile Germany orders Russia to close 4 out of 5 Russia consulates.

Germany orders Russia to close 4 out of its 5 consulates in tit-for-tat move

Germany says it has told Russia to close four out of five consulates in Germany in a tit-for-tat move after Moscow set a limit for the number of German embassy staff and related bodies that can operate in Russia

abcnews.go.com

 

[Vergennes]

lmao

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663918446365626369

fight fight

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663922327069904901

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663969147800240130

New weapons package

 

[The SC]

Donbass Zugzwang | The Russians Suddenly Launched Another Operation. Military Summary For 2023.05.31​

 

[Mohsin A]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1663916170032889860

 

[FourMikeEcho]

exactly - so much for the S400 superweapon being able to shoot down absolutely anything in a 400km range .... another Russian wonder weapon that is proven to be full of .....

It’s probably a crappy weapons platform, nobody knows for sure, but it was designed to shoot down smaller drones at short ranges. So it’s been made obsolete. But the issue may be is Russia doesn’t have layered defenses, not that S400 is bad from this data point. If you had London protected only by Patriots and nothing else, it wouldn’t be able to defend against smaller attack drones (which incidentally are more of a nuisance weapon to terrorize than wreck any material damage)

Iraq started the war. The US simply terminated the ceasefire agreement.
It gave three reasons for doing so. One is enough to start a war.



It was the Falangists that committed the massacre. Sharon was forced to resign over the issue.


Many tweak the facts, like You do.

WHat planet are you on. Iraq did not initiate the 2003 war. I was very clear I was talking about 2003, not the prior 1993. Don’t let your infatuation with your point of view disregard true events that happened while you were alive (and so don’t require research to know).

A few thousand dead, and Sharon resign? Big sacrifice. I didn’t Israeli troops did it, I said it happened under the Israeli nose and so Sharon had to resign. May be when the Chef resigns after the atrocities the Russians created, that will be considered A draw. Sharon was not served an ICC warrant

 

[gambit]

If you lie to yourself over and over again then you begin to believe your own lies:-

Problems with the B-1 strategic bomber (all 91 B-1s in service have been grounded due to problems with the engines) have virtually guaranteed the continued use of the B-52H until the mid 1990s, and probably beyond. In Operation Desert Storm, B-52s were used to conduct round-the-clock carpet bombing attacks against Iraqi troop concentrations and defenses. In addition to high-explosive bombs, the B-52s saturated Iraqi positions with anti-personnell and anti-armor bombs.
---From: Gulf War - A Comprehensive Guide to People, Places & Weapons by Col. Walter J. Boyne, U.S. A.F. (RET) Signet, 1991

Weapons - B-52 Stratofortress | The Gulf War | FRONTLINE | PBS

Learn to read your own source.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1664021523693182977

Russian losses now at 10,500

 

[Oldman1]

Where Russia air defense?

Ukraine drones attacking Russia rich and famous in Moscow. Well done.

Russia’s rich and famous are hardcore supporters of the war against Ukraine. They make big profits from bloodshed, from stealing others people.



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I mentioned that Russia couldn't defend everything since its too big. The Ukrainians should target less defended areas especially refineries and ammo depots and so on. Attacking Moscow in broad daylight was sending a message.

 

[Oldman1]

japan was ready to surrender way before Hiroshima and Nagasaki . a certain government just wanted to test its newest toys
what brought japan to its knee was the fact they didn't had resource and fuel and basics to continue the war . after the defeat of Japanese navy in pacific it was the end for them , they were not able to procure those materials that was fueling their war machine they had no means to continue the war anymore.

Nah, Japan surrendered after it took 2 atomic bombs and Soviet invasion along with a letter prior to the atomic bombs demanding for unconditional surrender and about a new weapon.

See a Leaflet Dropped on Japanese Cities Right Before World War II Ended

The original document is currently on view at the National WWII Museum

time.com

TO THE JAPANESE PEOPLE:

America asks that you take immediate heed of what we say on this leaflet.

We are in possession of the most destructive explosive ever devised by men. A single one of our newly developed atomic bombs is actually the equivalent in explosive power to what 2000 of our giant B-29’s can carry on a single mission. This awful fact is one for you to ponder and we solemnly assure you it is grimly accurate.

We have just begun to use this weapon against your homeland. If you still have any doubt, make inquiry as to what happened to Hiroshima when just one atomic bomb fell on that city.

Before using this bomb to destroy every resource of the military by which they are prolonging this useless war, we ask that you now petition the Emperor to end the war. Our President has outlined for you the thirteen consequences of an honorable surrender: We urge that you accept these consequences and begin the work of building a new, better, and peace-loving Japan.

You should take steps now to cease military resistance. Otherwise, we shall resolutely employ this bomb and all other superior weapons to promptly and forcefully end the war.

EVACUATE YOUR CITIES

Warning Leaflets - Nuclear Museum

In August 1945, warning leaflets were dropped on several Japanese cities.

ahf.nuclearmuseum.org

LeMay leaflets

Read this carefully as it may save your life or the life of a relative or friend. In the next few days, some or all of the cities named on the reverse side will be destroyed by American bombs. These cities contain military installations and workshops or factories which produce military goods. We are determined to destroy all of the tools of the military clique which they are using to prolong this useless war. But, unfortunately, bombs have no eyes. So, in accordance with America’s humanitarian policies, the American Air Force, which does not wish to injure innocent people, now gives you warning to evacuate the cities named and save your lives. America is not fighting the Japanese people but is fighting the military clique which has enslaved the Japanese people. The peace which America will bring will free the people from the oppression of the military clique and mean the emergence of a new and better Japan. You can restore peace by demanding new and good leaders who will end the war. We cannot promise that only these cities will be among those attacked but some or all of them will be, so heed this warning and evacuate these cities immediately.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

WHat planet are you on. Iraq did not initiate the 2003 war. I was very clear I was talking about 2003, not the prior 1993. Don’t let your infatuation with your point of view disregard true events that happened while you were alive (and so don’t require research to know).

The 2003 war was legally the same war as the 1993 war.
Iraq violated the ceasefire agreement.
There is no need to provide a Casus Belli for terminating a ceasefire agreement.
Still, the US provided three. You and many trolls like to pretend there was only one.

So the US was still fighting a war of self-defense, while Russia is (and Iraq was) still fighting a war of aggression.

A few thousand dead, and Sharon resign? Big sacrifice. I didn’t Israeli troops did it, I said it happened under the Israeli nose and so Sharon had to resign. May be when the Chef resigns after the atrocities the Russians created, that will be considered A draw. Sharon was not served an ICC warrant

You claimed it was double standard for @sammuel to comment, and the fact that ISRAEL disagreed with the behaviour of Sharon proves there is no double standard, except in your behaviour.

Suggest you move back to the Russia-Ukraine war.

 

[gambit]

japan was ready to surrender way before Hiroshima and Nagasaki .

After WW II, we learned of 'Operation Ketsu-go'.

OPERATION KETSU-GO

Not only that, even after the A-bombs and the emperor was preparing the surrender broadcast, a group of officers attempted to intercept the delivery of the speech to the emperor but palace officials managed to deceive the coup. That incident was known as the Kyujo Incident. JPN was not readied to surrender.

a certain government just wanted to test its newest toys

Considering what JPN did to Asia, not many Asians were sad. It is interesting that seemingly, only non-Asians with a lack of knowledge are so offended at the A-bombs.

what brought japan to its knee was the fact they didn't had resource and fuel and basics to continue the war .

Not US fault.

after the defeat of Japanese navy in pacific it was the end for them ,

Too bad for JPN.

they were not able to procure those materials that was fueling their war machine they had no means to continue the war anymore.

Tough shid.