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What debt ceiling? Wouldn't be surprised if Trump is re-elected. At least they'll have a non war mongering president that focuses on the US citizens. That's if we get that far though. Sleepy Joe will look to get is into a nuclear annihilation before then.

Your wish won’t come true regardless of how much you pray for it. He will be in jail before that. He is only going to run elections as a way to escape jail. He caused war in his own country with the riot at the Capitol. Nobody cares in the US I would imagine if he starts a war or doesn’t start a war outside.
What debt ceiling? Wouldn't be surprised if Trump is re-elected. At least they'll have a non war mongering president that focuses on the US citizens. That's if we get that far though. Sleepy Joe will look to get is into a nuclear annihilation before then.


Not to forget Putin is most welcome in all GCC arab nations :
Kuwait
Qatar
UAE
Oman
Bahrain
Saudi Arabia
Syria
Egypt etc
Other than the fact you know how to spell a few countries, what does this mean? Which of these countries has allowed Putin to visit it. Nobody has. So pls stop showing your intellect by number of countries you can spell.

The original thread was about Z (or what ever name you give him) going around in shuttle diplomacy to isolate Putin . Once these countries are only in favor or Russia then you can put this list
 
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12 months? I am not sure if Ukraine has this much time. Decision to provide F-16s is late, if this is correct.
I think the F-16 is a signal of long term commitment from the West. Letting Russia know where this is heading. There is no doubt in my mind Denmark is going to donate F-16s to Ukraine (in a coalition with other northern european countries), probably this year if they opt for the defensive training only to counter cruise missiles and russian airstrikes inside Ukraine. Denmark do not have any to spare, but its a government decision to be a leading donating country per capita - so they will donate maybe 6 F-16 for starters, and the rest as F-35 replace the F-16. The coalition is probably able to donate 50 F-16s late 2023, if the right countries chip in.
Maybe the ukrainians are fast learners, and the instructor is used to peace time training. But I doubt it could be done much faster. Ukrainian air fields and technicians need an overhaul too in order to operate the F-16.
 
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One thing that the F-16 is at a minor disadvantage is with EW.

Back in Desert Storm, we often intermittently blanketed the spectrum with noise. Between transmissions, we would allow the Iraqis to 'see' some airplanes such as the larger F-15, Tornados, and so on. The larger returns would force the Iraqi attention while the smaller F-16s inevitably snuck by and attack the site from a different direction or continued to more major targets. Could we have jammed the Iraqi radars for longer? Yes, but the intermittent transmissions had a tactical purpose and that was human based. The EW gaps compelled the Iraqis to refocus their attention on what they see and tried to report on what they see. Your radar was filled with noise, then cleared, then you saw 'something' with airspeed, altitude, and heading. Now you must try to resolve what the radar targets are doing and warn whoever down the line. The effects from this delay is just as good as continuous jamming and better against the human operators under some situations that I will not say here.

Ukr F-16s will not have this EW tool. Russia will tolerate US/NATO AWACS support because that is essentially passive activities against Russia. But blanketing Ukrainian airspace would bleed into Russian airspace and that would constitute US/NATO active participation against Russia which would increase political tensions. Ukr F-16 units will have to deal with Russian radars some other ways.
 
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May 21, 2023
Responsible Statecraft
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Fresh graves of Ukrainian soldiers died during defence against Russian invaders on cemetery of village Chervonohryhorivka, Dnipropetrovsk Oblast of Ukraine on May 14, 2023
QUINCYINST | QIOSK
National security experts: War in Ukraine is an ‘unmitigated disaster’
Signers say the conflict will be ‘our undoing’ if we don’t ‘dedicate ourselves to forging a diplomatic settlement that stops the killing.’
MAY 17, 2023
Written by
Blaise Malley
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An open letter calling for a swift diplomatic end to the war in Ukraine was published on Tuesday in the New York Times. The letter’s 14 signatories consisted mostly of former U.S. military officers and other national security officials, including Jack Matlock, Washington’s former ambassador to the Soviet Union; Ann Wright, a retired U.S. Army colonel and former diplomat; Matthew Hoh, a former Marine Corps officer and State Department official; and Ret. Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Secretary of State Colin Powell’s Chief of Staff.
Many are longtime critics of U.S. foreign policy and post-9/11 war policies.
The letter calls the war an “unmitigated disaster” and cautions that “future devastation could be exponentially greater as nuclear powers creep ever closer toward open war.”
While condemning Vladimir Putin’s “criminal invasion and occupation,” the letter, which notes the serial invasions of Russia by foreign adversaries, encourages readers to understand the war “through Russia’s eyes.”
“In diplomacy, one must attempt to see with strategic empathy, seeking to understand one’s adversaries,” according to the letter. “This is not weakness: it is wisdom.”
“Since 2007, Russia has repeatedly warned that NATO’s armed forces on Russian borders were intolerable – just as Russian forces in Mexico or Canada would be intolerable to the U.S. now, or as Soviet missiles in Cuba were in 1962,” the letter reads. “Russia further singled out NATO expansion into Ukraine as especially provocative.”
The missive, which appeared on page 5 of the Times’ print edition, lays out the history of warnings by key U.S. national security officials, politicians, and others about the dangers of NATO expansion in the late 1990s, and again in 2008 when then-U.S. Ambassador to Russia and current CIA director William Burns cautioned Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice against pushing for NATO membership for Ukraine.
Accompanying the text is a timeline of the deterioration in relations between Moscow and the West that begins in 1990, when Secretary of State James Baker assured Russia that NATO would not expand eastwards, until Russia’s invasion in February of last year.
“NATO expansion, in sum, is a key feature of a militarized U.S. foreign policy characterized by unilateralism featuring regime change and preemptive wars,” according to the letter, which suggests that Washington’s “failed wars” in Iraq and Afghanistan have been two of the results.
President Joe Biden has vowed that Washington will continue to aid Kyiv “as long as it takes.” The letter’s signers fear that this is a recipe for escalation that could result in catastrophe.
“As Dan Ellsberg has warned courageously and unceasingly, we — the world — are at the nuclear brink again, perhaps closer to the edge than ever before. It only requires one step to go over and then our steps end forever,” Wilkerson said in the statement released by the Eisenhower Media Network, which funded the full-page advertisement. “If that’s not sufficient reason for a return to diplomacy, our extinction is at hand; the timing is all that is in question.”
To date, the United States has sent $37 billion worth of military aid to Kyiv. High-level discussions with officials in Moscow have been rare, and a number of other entities, including China, Brazil, and the Pope, have taken on the mantle of pushing for a diplomatic solution.
What Washington’s role will look like going forward is more uncertain, with recent reporting as well as revelations from Pentagon leaks suggesting that the administration will continue supporting Ukraine through the anticipated counteroffensive against Russian forces before possibly reassessing, although officials have disputed that narrative.
The letter, entitled “The U.S. Should Be a Force for Peace in the World,” urges the Biden administration to pivot towards pursuing a negotiated solution to end the war “speedily.”
“This reality is not entirely of our own making, yet it may well be our undoing,” the letter concludes, “unless we dedicate ourselves to forging a diplomatic settlement that stops the killing and defuses tensions.”
 
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Before we can see leopards 2 rolling we can’t say it’s start of a counteroffensive. We don’t see it , so we can be sure that new formed brigades are still on the rear.
Ukraine needs more artillery for the offensive. They need more ammo. Hundreds of thousands artillery rounds per week. The Russians trenches must be flattered to the dust and destroyed before leopards 2 can roll. Otherwise Ukraine casualty would be unacceptable too high, as Zelinskki said it.
 
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Ukraine needs more artillery for the offensive. They need more ammo. Hundreds of thousands artillery rounds per week. The Russians trenches must be flattered to the dust and destroyed before leopards 2 can roll. Otherwise Ukraine casualty would be unacceptable too high, as Zelinskki said it.
There is no more ammo available for them, all capacities in Europe are engaged for supplying them and it is not enough unless EU swithc to engage into war time economy.
 
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There is no more ammo available for them, all capacities in Europe are engaged for supplying them and it is not enough unless EU swithc to engage into war time economy.
Russia does switching into war mode. They pour almost every penny into the war. But for the US, EU political impossible to do the same. Unless Putin runs amok attacking lets say Poland.

Ukraine artillery needs at least 1,000 rounds per day at Bakhmut front alone. There is no industrial capacity in the west to provide that enormous ammo needs.
 
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Russia does switching into war mode. They pour almost every penny into the war. But for the US, EU political impossible to do the same. Unless Putin runs amok attacking lets say Poland.

Ukraine artillery needs at least 1,000 rounds per day at Bakhmut front alone. There is no industrial capacity in the west to provide that enormous ammo needs.
well then ukraina is screwed in long term projections unless something dramatically changes.
 
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well then ukraina is screwed in long term projections unless something dramatically changes.
There is a simple solution for this. The west shall erect massive ammo production capacity inside Ukraine. Rheinmetall will do that. The company will make tanks, ammo, vehicles. But Ukraine needs more companies. Ukraine itself can make domestic weapons. However if the west pours money in then things will go faster.
 
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because Ukrainian troops were holding onto every block or apartment complex, they didnt want to retreat, so why should Russian troops die instead of just safely taking out the Ukrainian soldiers they had to mop up to gain full control of Bakhmut?

You are really funny and seem to have an even more twisted logic than him! :crazy: Russians invade Ukraine and these nasty Ukrainians are so evil, they do not retreat, the defend their contry, their home and its borders and are not willing to give up and leave? They are even that nasty, they fight back instead of being killed, raped and everything destroyed for free?=

So if a robber comes into your house, you surely have the same stance: You invite him politely to stay, serve him food and wine, maybe even agree to spend some time with your beloved wife, to play with the kids and after that you transfer all you have to him?? :hitwall: Really??? In what world are you living?:omghaha:
 
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There is a simple solution for this. The west shall erect massive ammo production capacity inside Ukraine. Rheinmetall will do that. The company will make tanks, ammo, vehicles. But Ukraine needs more companies. Ukraine itself can make domestic weapons. However if the west pours money in then things will go faster.
Not a bad plan but problem is how to protect those facilities while even building them from russian rocket attacks, going full underground would be to costly in terms of money and time.
 
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