Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[dbc]

What are you talking about Taliban controlled 25% of Afghanistan while NATO was there. They held many pockets.

Taliban just ran NATO for dry and exhausted them plus the terrain was not ideal for the US. IEA was ready for a 100-year campaign which NATO doesn't want any of it otherwise they can go back for a straight out 100-year war.. It almost lead to US economy crisis and if continued could lead to US economy collapse. The Afghans arms are cheap and logisics it doesn't cost them much unlike the US that uses 50-bilion a year..

IEA greatest asset is patience and consistency.. These bastards can go 100-years easy

NATO forces had no desire to hold territory in the boonies. They did go in and clear Taliban fighters from remote villages and then RTB, after a few months the Taliban would reappear ....rinse and repeat for two decades. The reality is Afghanistan isn't a real country, its people don't even buy into the notion of Afghanistan, its just a collection of tribes that want to be left alone. Nation building in Afghanistan was a fools errand, it took us twenty years to figure that out. And at no point was the US economy at risk of collapse due to Afghanistan.

 

[F-22Raptor]

NATO forces had no desire to hold territory in the boonies. They did go in and clear Taliban fighters from remote villages and then RTB, after a few months the Taliban would reappear ....rinse and repeat for two decades. The reality is Afghanistan isn't a real country, its people don't even buy into the notion of Afghanistan, its just a collection of tribes that want to be left alone. Nation building in Afghanistan was a fools errand, it took us twenty years to figure that out. And at no point was the US economy at risk of collapse due to Afghanistan.

Regardless, the US achieved its main goal of destroying Al Qaeda. Afghan is a failure due to its people.

 

[Dalit]

Regardless, the US achieved its main goal of destroying Al Qaeda. Afghan is a failure due to its people.

Sure. Now blame the Afghans... For 20 years you fooled the Afghans just like you fooled the Kurds and all other minions you have. That is your policy. You ditch nations and peoples after exploiting them. Even the Ukrainians are sick and tired of false promises by the US/NATO. You haven't delivered on your promises. Worse, you broke the promises.

 

[jamahir]

Regardless, the US achieved its main goal of destroying Al Qaeda. Afghan is a failure due to its people.

No, Afghanistan is a failure because NATO supported the fake mujahideen in the 1980s, then the Taliban from 1996 to 2001 and then again enabled the Taliban to come to power last year. The progressive and rational poeple of Afghanistan reject NATO and Taliban.

 

[MH.Yang]

Regardless, the US achieved its main goal of destroying Al Qaeda. Afghan is a failure due to its people.

Let's be honest. The Taliban can survive and grow under the strangulation of the U.S. military for more than 20 years. They must have the general support and help of the Afghan people.

And the USA spent so much resources but was hated by Afghans, which is failure.

Has the U.S. govt ever thought that only bread and work can defeat the Taliban, not drones and bombs.

 

[Dalit]

Let's be honest. The Taliban can survive and grow under the strangulation of the U.S. military for more than 20 years. They must have the general support and help of the Afghan people.

And the USA spent so much resources but was hated by Afghans, which is failure.

Has the U.S. govt ever thought that only bread and work can defeat the Taliban, not drones and bombs.

These Americans and Europeans are crazy. They don't even know why they fight. After 20 years this was always the question on the mind of every soldier.

 

[F-22Raptor]

You see the difference between the Ukrainians and Afghans. The Ukrainians fight for their future and integration with the West. The Afghans would rather live in backwardness and poverty. Afghanistan is a failure because of its people.

 

[Dalit]

You see the difference between the Ukrainians and Afghans. The Ukrainians fight for their future and integration with the West. The Afghans would rather live in backwardness and poverty. Afghanistan is a failure because of its people.

Just say it. The Afghans didn't fight your war.

 

[F-22Raptor]

Just say it. The Afghans didn't fight your war.

They'd rather beg for Green Cards than fight for their own country.

 

[Abid123]

They'd rather beg for Green Cards than fight for their own country.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547992158514188290

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1547992158514188290

At this rate Russians will be totally pushed out of Ukraine and Donbas & Crimea will return under Ukranian control by the end of summer 2022. Russians are no match to the US & NATO.

 

[ZeGerman]

Sure. Now blame the Afghans... For 20 years you fooled the Afghans just like you fooled the Kurds and all other minions you have. That is your policy. You ditch nations and peoples after exploiting them. Even the Ukrainians are sick and tired of false promises by the US/NATO. You haven't delivered on your promises. Worse, you broke the promises.

In history had never been more money put into building up a defeated country as in afghanistan.
Life expectancy, literacy, education, all increased because of that.
They were left an army and weaponry that dwarfed the taliban. Eventually they have to fight for themselves.

But apparentely education for their daughters was not enough motivation to fight.
How different are things with the ukranians.


So again. Where is the “humilitation”???undefeated in battle. Losing almost no soldiers and controlling the vast population centres with a modest force???
But simply failing to motivate the afghans to resist taliban?

 

[ZeGerman]

No

Let's be honest. The Taliban can survive and grow under the strangulation of the U.S. military for more than 20 years. They must have the general support and help of the Afghan people.

And the USA spent so much resources but was hated by Afghans, which is failure.

Has the U.S. govt ever thought that only bread and work can defeat the Taliban, not drones and bombs

Drones and bombs is simplifying it. We spend many millions on schools, elections, roads, clean drinking water, hospitals.

The strategic failure was the assumption that the western way of life was superior, and that as such all would (once free to choose) naturally gravitate towards it.

Kick out the dictator and the people would rush towards a moderate pro western democracy!!!!
That didnt happen.

Instead we were stuck with ANA fighters shooting nato trainers on a bad day, trying to stop them from selling all their weapons. Stop them from their tradition of “bacha bazi”.
Check the documentary “this is what winning looks like”. Its great. And shows the completely failed effort to build a democratic state and functioning army.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1548010300842004482

https://twitter.com/x/status/1548012610569654277