Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[jhungary]

Putin has lots of missiles and bombs to spare, even with 10 percent success rate it’s ok for him. Interesting he considers Ukraine as same people.
They bombard Ukraine cities with aerosol bombs. That’s comparable to napalm. pure terror.

Problem is, you can't just lob missile in the air and hope and pray you are hitting an enemy aircraft, it's better if they didn't hit anything, but hitting Civ Traffic, that would not go down well. MH-17 almost draw international forum in the Ukraine situation, if they did that, that would most definitely be western intervention.

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559114360156471296

 

[Hassan Al-Somal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559104562006573057

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559106862771236864

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559085606202126336

 

[Soldier35]

For an unknown reason, but one of the 2S7 "Pion" self-propelled guns of the Ukrainian army exploded when fired. It is not known what caused the explosion of the 2S7 Pion self-propelled guns, perhaps a defect in the projectile or depreciation of the equipment.

One of the officers of the special forces detachment of the militia "Storm" with the call sign "Batya Kharkiv", spoke about the tactics of the Ukrainian army and the defensive structures in the Avdeevka direction. (Video subtitles)

 

[Hack-Hook]

How can you detect incoming aircraft or missile without radar? Given those objects are beyond visual range. If you don’t „see“ it you can’t detect it coming. Radar is like human eye. The other option is detecting or „seeing“ the heat signature of those flying objects. Aircraft and missiles are „hot“ objects they emit infrared or electromagnetic waves. Heat seaking sensor does the job.

There is passive radar to detect flying objects without emitting radar beams. However technically it is called radar too. SAM usually has both radar and heat seeking sensor. And of course a ground station guiding the interception. There is no other option. A bit of physics.

i said the E/O range for high altitude object is 75km and there is no emission in that mode
also you can use OTH radars for detecting incoming airplanes

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1559096523820044288

 

[gambit]

That is very complex system necessary. Hensoldt and Aulus can do the detection without sending active radar beams. There is no sender there is only receiver. A stealth plane like F35 can’t avoid being hit and reflected by UKW, DAB and DVB electromagnetic waves. Not yet.

There are transmissions. You just do not know basic radar principles and bought into the myth and hype of a 'passive' radar. No such beast. Like the unicorn and Sasquatch.

 

[Hack-Hook]

HARM does NOT need emitting Radar, you, it's a beam riding missile, which mean you can fire at target with your own active radar which can lock any target it detected, whether or not it emits Radar Signature. You just don't know that is a SAM radar. Say a E-3A pick up a ground target, they can still use HARM, which have 150KM range to destroy it. IT does not need it to turn on. With Link 16, whatever the E-3A can ping, F-16 can shoot. You can verify with other means.

exactly which version is beam riding ? if you mean E-variant it have its own radar but is not beam riding the rest are passive radar homing and home on Jam and GPS-INS

and welcome trying to use that E3 for picking up a truck 150km away without that truck having any radar emission.

Tanks can't emit Radar Beam either, how do E-3A/Apache pick up where enemy tank were?

And I don't understand the argument for RQ-4 Global Hawk, that is not a stealth drone, which mean you can pick that up and shoot it down, you radar wasn't torched afterward may or may not be because of the US Air Force did not see you.

the 300-400km belong to aircrafts not tanks and certainly apachee cant pick up tanks even at 30-40km
the RQ4 being low rcs or not is debatable but have nothing to do with discussion , the airplane picked up by E/O system and then fired on without even turning on the radar so the countermeasure system on board was not activated at all

The difference is, we are not converting Standard Missile and Patriot missile for Ground Attack role, there are dual use Standard Missile that can target Air and Ship. But that is a design project. We aren't using them to attack shipping.

That show how desperate Russia need for Stand Off attack capability. And why not just convert the SCUD that was put in storage, if they can be reuse, I am pretty sure it's a lot less work than try to put S-300 on ground duty. That show you they can't do it. Which is my point.

S-300 advertised to being able hit target 10-15m above the ground , being able to hit ground target always was with the missile , it just was not advertised .

It's like saying your phone can be booted and on standby without emitting any signal..........

ever heard of flight mode?

In their mind,

They launch missile in EVERY SINGLE DIRECTION and hope the onboard sensor can lock onto something.

That's how accident happens tho.

ask that from the people on P-8 that was tailing RQ-4 and they tell you how many missile was fired and if they were aware of any air defense system active in the area

 

[Hack-Hook]

You mean this...???

Sevom Khordad Air Defense Missile System | Military-Today.com

Sevom Khordad, also known as 3rd Khordad, is the most advanced and powerful Iranian medium-range air defense missile system. It was officially displayed in 2016.

www.military-today.com

Sevom Khordad, also known as 3rd Khordad, is the most advanced and powerful Iranian medium-range air defense missile system. It was officially displayed in 2016. It uses a 6x6 wheeled chassis, based on IVECO commercial truck, though with many design changes. This air defense system contains an active phased array radar on top in the front part and three missiles behind it.​

What is the radar used for?

for tracking target up to 150 km , for less than 75km the radar is not really needed, E/O and the radar on the missile can do the job

 

[Viet]

There are transmissions. You just do not know basic radar principles and bought into the myth and hype of a 'passive' radar. No such beast. Like the unicorn and Sasquatch.

No transmission by radars. That is not classical radar. That’s not c band radar or something similar waves. Those radio waves are emitted by common radio stations. A stealth fighter like F35 disturbs the wave fronts when flying thru the wave soup.
The principle to passive radar was developed and deployed by Germany in WW2. German air defense was able to detect incoming British bombers.
The vid is in German however the animations show how it works.

odysso - Wissen im SWR: Ende der Tarnkappentechnik? - hier anschauen

Passiv-Radar bedroht die Stealth-Technik, die Kampfflugzeuge bisher 'unsichtbar' machte. Das könnte die militärische Feinaufklärung revolutionieren.

www.ardmediathek.de

 

[jhungary]

exactly which version is beam riding ? if you mean E-variant it have its own radar but is not beam riding the rest are passive radar homing and home on Jam and GPS-INS

HARM itself is Beam Riding, it ride on an emission from Radar, it does not need to be enemy radar, Active Radar ping can also guide HARM missile. I am not talking about passive homing.

and welcome trying to use that E3 for picking up a truck 150km away without that truck having any radar emission.

Dude, that just mean you just don't know how powerful E-3A radar is.

the 300-400km belong to aircrafts not tanks and certainly apachee cant pick up tanks even at 30-40km
the RQ4 being low rcs or not is debatable but have nothing to do with discussion , the airplane picked up by E/O system and then fired on without even turning on the radar so the countermeasure system on board was not activated at all

I am not talking about at range, I am talking about Radar can pick up ground target even if they are not emitting, by the way, Long Bow Apache can pick up a tank twice the range of Hellfire missile, which is 11 km away

RQ-4 is not low RCS, and no, again, just because they didn't react does not mean they didn't see it.

S-300 advertised to being able hit target 10-15m above the ground , being able to hit ground target always was with the missile , it just was not advertised .

ever heard of flight mode?

lol Air Brust missile is not the same as ground attack, you can hit something above ground does not mean you can hit it ACCURATELY. Do you know what is the CEP on S300 on ground target? You dont because they don't have a CEP value.

Hence using S-300 for precision ground attack is an act of DESPERATION.

ask that from the people on P-8 that was tailing RQ-4 and they tell you how many missile was fired and if they were aware of any air defense system active in the area

Firstly, P-8 is not an Early Warning plane. It was a Maritime attack aircraft. It's main job is to detect Submarine and Naval Traffic.

Second of all, how do you know you have incoming if you turn off your radar? You need to have radar to know you have a bogey inbound, you are outside visual range, which mean unless you magically know there is an enemy aircraft coming, you will need to use the radar, and that is my point.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

How can you detect incoming aircraft or missile without radar? Given those objects are beyond visual range. If you don’t „see“ it you can’t detect it coming. Radar is like human eye. The other option is detecting or „seeing“ the heat signature of those flying objects. Aircraft and missiles are „hot“ objects they emit infrared or electromagnetic waves. Heat seaking sensor does the job.

There is passive radar to detect flying objects without emitting radar beams. However technically it is called radar too. SAM usually has both radar and heat seeking sensor. And of course a ground station guiding the interception. There is no other option. A bit of physics.

You can use data links if someone else in the defense network can detect the target. It is hard to hide that a jet aircraft is flying overhead, considering the noise of the engine. Once noise is detected, other sensors can pinpoint the target.
This of course assumes that data from a number of sensors can be fused.

 

[Hack-Hook]

Firstly, P-8 is not an Early Warning plane. It was a Maritime attack aircraft. It's main job is to detect Submarine and Naval Traffic.

Second of all, how do you know you have incoming if you turn off your radar? You need to have radar to know you have a bogey inbound, you are outside visual range, which mean unless you magically know there is an enemy aircraft coming, you will need to use the radar, and that is my point.

both P8 and RQ-4 designed to be able to detect enemy air defense don't forget one of the duty of P8 is intelligence , surveillance and reconnaissance and you can get data from many other source for example oth radars and e/o system , you even can use spotters if you most

 

[Hack-Hook]

lol Air Brust missile is not the same as ground attack, you can hit something above ground does not mean you can hit it ACCURATELY. Do you know what is the CEP on S300 on ground target? You dont because they don't have a CEP value.

Hence using S-300 for precision ground attack is an act of DESPERATION.

48n6 and 48N6P-01 have the capability of TVM guidance so its more precise than what you think

I am not talking about at range, I am talking about Radar can pick up ground target even if they are not emitting, by the way, Long Bow Apache can pick up a tank twice the range of Hellfire missile, which is 11 km away

RQ-4 is not low RCS, and no, again, just because they didn't react does not mean they didn't see it.

that would be 22km , if they saw it it has one of the most advanced counter measure system usa can provide and it didn't get deployed . so considering the price of the system......'

Dude, that just mean you just don't know how powerful E-3A radar is.

so tell me , but not that 300-400km that is against flying targets

HARM itself is Beam Riding, it ride on an emission from Radar, it does not need to be enemy radar, Active Radar ping can also guide HARM missile. I am not talking about passive homing.

again which variant do that.

 

[Viet]

You can use data links if someone else in the defense network can detect the target. It is hard to hide that a jet aircraft is flying overhead, considering the noise of the engine. Once noise is detected, other sensors can pinpoint the target.
This of course assumes that data from a number of sensors can be fused.

Yes ok if you can hear it then you „see“ it. However there is problem with a distance. The more you are far from the source the lesser you can hear the noise. The energy decreases proportional to the distance. Air is a bad conductor.
That’s unlike noise in water. You can hear the noise much further away. The energy is not losing fast unlike in air. Water is a good conductor.
That’s why submarines have acoustic sensor while aircraft haven’t.
We are off topic though.