Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2
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-We have installed MK41 launch systems in Poland and Romania; but our kamikaze regime in Kiev will not give us permission to install launch systems in Ukraine.
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Even crimea voted independence.
Shortly after that, ukraine gave away its many nukes..for a security guarantee from russia.
A vow which Putin used as toilet paper.
So no. It is not “just” for russia to take and keep crimea through force.
Over time a modest majority seemed to turn pro russian. Especially after russia migrated hundreds of thousands of russians to it (again far from “just”) . It is also vital for russian black see fleet and power projection.
As such. The west basically accepted the de facto annexation in 2014. Crimea for peace and trade.
However this was not enough for Putin. He tried to grab half ukraine and install a puppet.
If he loses this war of agression…how is it just that crimea (annexed land) is off the table for ukraine to liberate?
Now you try to respond like an adult…
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London and Washington have not stopped adding fuel to the fire to see their dream come true: this dreadful tragedy of the Ukrainian Gambit (2008, sacrificing Ukraine to destabilize Russia.
The rest is infantile literature
"ukraine gave away its many nukes ..."
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These atomic weapons did not belong to Ukraine but to the USSR.
London and Washington have not stopped adding fuel to the fire to see their dream come true: this dreadful tragedy of the Ukrainian Gambit (2008, sacrificing Ukraine to destabilize Russia.
The rest is infantile literature
"ukraine gave away its many nukes ..."
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These atomic weapons did not belong to Ukraine but to the USSR.
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It is amazing to what kind of extent you are willing to go in order to deny historical facts, ground realities and paint Ukraine with the biggest "saintly" brush possible.
There is no genocide in Ukraine whatsoever. According to the UN no more than 10.000 civilians have died. This is a drop in the ocean compared to the US/West (that you are blindly following and whitewashing constantly) crimes in just 2 nations (Iraq and Afghanistan) let alone the other numerous/dozens of illegal invasions.
If you want to talk about legality, the whole concept of Ukraine's modern-day borders are a joke and fake. As I already wrote. All of Eastern and Southern Ukraine is Russian territory built brick by brick by Russia (Imperial Russia) and USSR. All main cities, all the industry etc. Everything is built by Russia. Even the names of the towns and cities are Russian. West Ukraine is all Polish and later more recently Austria-Hungary. Ukraine's borders were literally drawn by Stalin/USSR. The same Stalin that stole Polish, Hungarian, Russian etc. territories to create Ukraine. Without asking any locals and without conducting any votes.
Zelenskiyy himself has gone against the Ukrainian constitution 100's of times by now. Banning Orthodox Church communities in communion with Moscow since centuries, banning pro-Russian or non-anti Russian parties, removing Russian as an official language etc. So don't go there.
Oh, and it is funny, as a German you should know that your country and countrymen committed actual genocide in Ukraine (Russia too btw) killing millions of people in the process and burning down 1000's of villages and destroying 100's of towns.
The same Germany was the biggest Russian lapdog/partner in the EU/Europe until recently. You had to be shamed publicly for months by Ukraine to start donating military equipment to Ukraine and doing your part. Nordstream etc. Schröder etc. Not a word about that from you.
BTW if Russia is committing "genocide" in Ukraine, the same Ukraine post Euromaiden was committing genocide in Donbas for 8 + years. With Nazis such as the Azov Ballation, Right Sector, UPA fanboys etc. in action.
It is amazing to what kind of extent you are willing to go in order to deny historical facts, ground realities and paint Ukraine with the biggest "saintly" brush possible.
There is no genocide in Ukraine whatsoever. According to the UN no more than 10.000 civilians have died. This is a drop in the ocean compared to the US/West (that you are blindly following and whitewashing constantly) crimes in just 2 nations (Iraq and Afghanistan) let alone the other numerous/dozens of illegal invasions.
If you want to talk about legality, the whole concept of Ukraine's modern-day borders are a joke and fake. As I already wrote. All of Eastern and Southern Ukraine is Russian territory built brick by brick by Russia (Imperial Russia) and USSR. All main cities, all the industry etc. Everything is built by Russia. Even the names of the towns and cities are Russian. West Ukraine is all Polish and later more recently Austria-Hungary. Ukraine's borders were literally drawn by Stalin/USSR. The same Stalin that stole Polish, Hungarian, Russian etc. territories to create Ukraine. Without asking any locals and without conducting any votes.
Zelenskiyy himself has gone against the Ukrainian constitution 100's of times by now. Banning Orthodox Church communities in communion with Moscow since centuries, banning pro-Russian or non-anti Russian parties, removing Russian as an official language etc. So don't go there.
Oh, and it is funny, as a German you should know that your country and countrymen committed actual genocide in Ukraine (Russia too btw) killing millions of people in the process and burning down 1000's of villages and destroying 100's of towns.
The same Germany was the biggest Russian lapdog/partner in the EU/Europe until recently. You had to be shamed publicly for months by Ukraine to start donating military equipment to Ukraine and doing your part. Nordstream etc. Schröder etc. Not a word about that from you.
BTW if Russia is committing "genocide" in Ukraine, the same Ukraine post Euromaiden was committing genocide in Donbas for 8 + years. With Nazis such as the Azov Ballation, Right Sector, UPA fanboys etc. in action.
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Congress members call out Ukraine government for glorifying Nazis
In bipartisan letter, 50 US lawmakers condemn new legislation, slam government-backed events hailing Nazi-allied militias
www.timesofisrael.com
Reminder of what the Democrats in the US Congress were saying about the Ukrainian government and their extremely close ties with fascists and Nazis not long ago.
Drunk Bandera Ukrainians desperately trying to defend Bakhmut that will likely fall to Russia very soon.
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But you are surely aware that this is a CG from DCS showing a Flanker landing on an USN carrier? Nothing real and plain BS?
All the western hype within MEDIA is totally FALSE FAKE & LIES now,
Only a matter of time for Russian Victory in Bhakhmut & near by areas.
Here is typical eg of Western Propuganda on msn.com :
-Putin will be killed by inner circle of Zelensky
-Russian soldiers switching sides into Ukrainian
-Ukraine destroying Moscow defence missile system by drones
Now seriously even a kid 2 years old can make joke better than above headlines on msn.com?
Only a matter of time for Russian Victory in Bhakhmut & near by areas.
Here is typical eg of Western Propuganda on msn.com :
-Putin will be killed by inner circle of Zelensky
-Russian soldiers switching sides into Ukrainian
-Ukraine destroying Moscow defence missile system by drones
Now seriously even a kid 2 years old can make joke better than above headlines on msn.com?
A lot of WW2 was just revenge and self defence. Yeah you wont learn that at school, but tis true.
This bandera guy spent time in a German concentration camp. From what I figure he was a ukranian nationalist. Good for him. After what his people went through. they needed someone like him.
For WW2 standards, he doesnt seem that bad at all. Unless you've killed over 1 million people in WW2, you dont even make the leaderboard sadly.
I have no love for cossacks. But Ukraine needs strong nationalism to survive this crap it's going through. So their nationalism needs to be encouraged and used to regain their country.
There is nothing worse for the world than an expanded russia. That would be a very big problem and it will never be allowed to happen. As you can see.
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What is more, "Oryx" tallies of Russian equipment purportedly lost do not prove much. Given that Russia and Ukraine to a large extent have been using the same types of weapons, nothing would be easier for Kievan regime forces to photograph destroyed assets of their own and publicly pass them off as Russian.
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What’s happening to giant money mountain of Russia before the war?
Russia will run out of money next year and file bankruptcy. Unless some unlimited friends lend money.
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What’s happening to giant money mountain of Russia before the war?
Russia will run out of money next year and file bankruptcy. Unless some unlimited friends lend money.
Russia could run out of money next year, says oligarch Oleg Deripaska | Russia | The Guardian
Western sanctions are causing serious pressure, with budget deficit forecast to jump
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