Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

[mike2000 is back]

And Russia is also a part, now they are sending Wagner mercenaries and their russian millitary commanders to subdue and hit Muslims of Africa

No, Russia is a saint to people like him. As long as its not the US/UK/West, then they are good.

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624468330743574528

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624452236624396296

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624480188732940289

 

[Paul2]

Do the genocidal Russian settler colonists get to keep Crimea, get to keep the North Caucasus. Iranians say yes.

Iranians on this forum are opposed to Ukraine winning. Iranians in Iran are opposed to Ukraine winning.

I never lied.

To be in the trying to have it both ways without supporting Ukraine, puts you in the camp of not supporting Ukraine winning and not supporting the defeat of Russia.


THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF CRIMEAN TATARS. THIS IS THE OPPORTUNITY FOR THE LIBERATION OF UKRAINIANS.

So yes, Iranians are bad liars.

My information I posted is 100% factual. Iranians deviously try to bait the conversation with Russian propaganda and then say, Iranians do not support Russia. All the while cheering for Ukraine to lose and NATO Europe to lose. Wanting a Russian-Iran disorder to the globe.

Iran, Russia looking for new world order​

Iran, Russia looking for new world order

TEHRAN, Jan. 24 (MNA) – Chairman of the Russian State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin has arrived in Tehran and met with Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. In Tehran, talks of a 25-year partnership between Iran and Russia featured high.

en.mehrnews.com

So, do Iranians want us to believe that Iranians want Russia to lose and then have a new global situation with Russia (we never said that, says Iran, we are neutral yes spouting talking points of Russians).

Or is Iran two faced, trying to have it both ways. As has been known since the General Assembly vote last year.

If I were Iran, I wouldn't be so celebratory with the prospect of another war on my northern border.

On the other hand, if Russia is kicked out of Caucasus, it will only leave weak statelets there, shielding you from both Turkey, and Russia.

 

[aziqbal]

No, Russia is a saint to people like him. As long as its not the US/UK/West, then they are good.

Russia or USSR or even the Russian Empire never enslaved 40 million Africans during the slave trade and robbed the continent of its natural resources for 400 years

even smaller European nations like Netherlands and Portugal did much worse

 

[Paul2]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1623636828795424771

If you look at the full video, you will see that two T-72s they brough in had an optical rangefinder at the commander position.

Those are not even T-72As, but original T-72s from early seventies. Less than 400 of them were ever made, and most were upgraded to T-72As except complete write-off hulls.

 

[SalarHaqq]

I said Iranians.

The quoted user randomly jumps from Iranians to Iranian government and back, which results in blurring the lines.

And here is the chance for Iran to not support the annexation of Crimea...

Iran has chance after chance to oppose Russia.

How about Iran prefers to stay neutral in regard to the war; and moreover Iran has no obligation (neither legal nor otherwise) to oppose Russia?

Yet sells weapons to Russia for use against Ukraine, while Russia and Ukraine were at war.

Nope, before the war started.

And whoever says Iran sides with Russia is right too. Iran is on the side of Russia, any clear thinking person can see this. Yet, Iran wants it both ways, to support Russia, yet not seem to support Russia. Iran is two faced and a liar. This has been known for months and years.

It's called devising a balanced approach. Political subtlety however is inaccessible to persons motivated by blind animosity.

To cheer for Russia is to cheer for Team Trump, Team Bannon, Team cia, Team Russia Mafia, Team Chabad, Team Tucker, Team Russia Republican. Russia Republicans are on the side of Putin, cheering privately for Putin to win and saying they don't support Russia. These are two faced liars

To generally prefer Russia over NATO doesn't necessarily mean to cheer for Trump, Chabad or the Russian mafia. There are literally dozens of examples in the international system where a given actor can be on good terms with a second one, which in turn is on good terms with a third that has issues with the first. It's the nature and complexity of global politics, especially under present time parameters.

same as Iranians that cheer for Putin or want a Russian led multipolar system after the war (meaning these Iranians are cheering for Putin to win). Two-faced liars.

Even when it comes to Russia, Iran would not expand her bilateral ties other than on equal footing. Let alone acquiesce to a strictly hierarchical global system.

As it turns out however, Russia is willing to respect Iran's sovereignty and independence whilst establishing mutually beneficial partnerships. Unlike the USA and EU regimes, which view nations of the south as effective or potential vassals and nothing more. While at the same time the USA views its own close circle of western allies as nothing but lackeys.

I was called a liar by lying Iranians, in me saying that Iran supported Russia in their Russian false flag lie about the Moscow Apartment bombing blamed on the genocided Chechens.

Armed Chechen forces had trespassed over the border with Dagestan (Russian Federation) in August 1999. Which is to say before the apartment bombings.

For instance on the Second Chechen War:

After initially voicing sympathy for Russia's efforts against terrorism,

Iran voiced sympathy were due, such as in the aftermath of the 2004 hostage taking of school children at Beslan as well as the Moscow metro bombing. Apparently to the author of the above quoted interjection, those acts of terrorism had to be celebrated?

This said, the entire premise of the quote is a fallacy.

Iran has gradually increased its public concern about the effects of the war on Muslim civilians.

Russia: Official Plays Down Islamic Criticism Of Chechen War

www.rferl.org

Just shows that Iran will adopt the ethically correct position stemming from the situation at hand: realizing that the arrival of pseudo-jihadi foreign fighters in the Caucasus was problematic, but also calling on Russia to keep their hands off civilians.

Iran was backing Russia deal with "Chechen terrorists". So no I did not lie. Lying manipulative Iranians lied.

Define backing. Iran played no role in the second Chechen war, was not a party to it, did not intervene materially at all, had no tangible impact over its course.

Rather than pointing at Iran, which had no presence whatsoever in Chechnya, you may want to explain why actual Chechens leaders such as Ramzan Kadyrov, whose father fought the Russians aren't sharing your revanchist outlook. Iran is on the right side, namely that of historic Chechen resistance figures.

Iranians are both cheering for Russian continued genocide in keeping Crimea and the rest of Ukraine. And trying to sit it out and not pick a side diplomatically and officially from Tehran. Both show that Iran and Iranians are on the side of genocide.

There's no genocide going on.

I am speaking of the moral obligation to morally support the genocided Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars and the two faced lying Iranians are speaking about how well Iran and Iranians are manipulating the global community to make it seem as though Iranians are not cheering for Europe to lose, NATO Europe to lose, EU to lose, Russia to win.

We are telling you ordinary citizens aren't government spokespersons nor are they determining their countries' policies.

This said, there's nothing wrong with refraining from siding with oppressive NATO imperialists, which have caused far greater harm to the world than Russia's ever going to. If we start to look back for centuries, then too I'll have a longer list of crimes by the USA, UK, France and so on to present you with.

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Why did Pakistan ship weapons to Iraq at the same time?

Pakistan did not ship weapons to Iraq during Saddam's aggression of Iran.

The Iranians made several terrorist attacks on France.

Contested by French scholars. Also France started arming Iraq for its war on Iran prior to those incidents.

Without Irans shipments of weapons, there would not have been a war in Yemen. The war started way before SaudiArabia got involved.

History-fiction is not a scientific method.

What the facts say: Hadi unlawfully overstepped his mandate, which drew protests from millions of Yemenis and organizations representing them. This then gave rise to a face off and clashes against the usurper's forces. Has nothing to do with Iran.

 

[Corax]

a russian trench was overrun by Ukrainian forces

Spoiler: graphic

https://twitter.com/x/status/1624395709150556172

Looks like they've been executed and dumped in a ditch, there's no shell craters or scorching nearby.

 

[Paul2]

What u.s needs to do is throw its entire weight behind Ukraine in order to give a bloody bloody nose and destruction and shock and awe to invading russian establishment and invading russian armed forces

It's very obvious by now, US is trickle feeding supplies to Ukrainians intentionally

Otherwise, they could've given them everything they've given so far without dropping a drop of sweat easily.

Instead, USA has waited for Russia to send few waves of reinforcement, preventing a quickly mobilising UA force from overwhelming the initial Russian force of 240k.

In the beginning of the summer, RU regulars were melting like an icecream, and by late summer, they were really edging on collapse. And they would've collapsed for sure if UA had more armour+air support back then, around August.

 

[Paul2]

France is very much part of Europe. The whole thing started with saying that Iran is supplying a warring party. I highlighted an example where a member of the EU did the same and there was no pressure on them from rest of EU not to.

That is all. The discussion is not about the entire continent of Europe supplied or if Nordics supplied.

And more than one country was involved in supplying Saudi Arabia overt and covert assistance in its war against Yemen. There is no basis to say that Saudi Arabia’s war is more just on Yemen so it involves Western support. They also were interested in power projection and expanded the scope of conflict and by all indications are the aggressive party

The bigger point is, we should stop (regardless of Russian supporters or anti Russian) taking a morale high ground argument. As somebody has said here on this forum that history is written from the victor’s perspective. A moral argument holds for Russia today (i.e. they are the aggression) and puts Europe in a superior light in this conflict.

But morality is not a point in time concept, it has to be reflected at least in 50+ years or more of history. Thats where it doesn’t carry over

France is an extremely confused player on the world stage. They had 3 completely different foreign policy alignments over the last 10 years, yet kept doing basically the same. The disconnects in between what they say, and what they do is giant.

See what they were doing in Egypt for example. First they supported deposing the Egyptian govt, it got deposed, but then... they kept, and kept going, trying to backroom push El Baradei, and supporting deposing Morsi, but by that time the military has pulled its own coup.

French politics needs at least 1 presidential term to change its course completely, but in that time they get another president, which makes another policy U-turn.

 

[Paul2]

Question as the Russians vamp up tank production how quickly the destroyed Tanks will be replaced.

Their maximum hypothetical production rate is 60-80 T-72Bs per year. If they focus on refitting tanks in storage, they can probably double that, but they will be getting nothing more than a seventies era vehicle out of that.

The amount of tanks they have in storage in different states of disrepair is considerably bigger than their production capacity, so they will not run out of part donors any time soon.

I read their biggest problem is the electronic box which controls the autoloader on T-72. They have a lot of it in storage, but most of these boxes have non-obvious issues from old age, which only surface after few weeks of use.

 

[F-22Raptor]

It's very obvious by now, US is trickle feeding supplies to Ukrainians intentionally

Otherwise, they could've given them everything they've given so far without dropping a drop of sweat easily.

Instead, USA has waited for Russia to send few waves of reinforcement, preventing a quickly mobilising UA force from overwhelming the initial Russian force of 240k.

In the beginning of the summer, RU regulars were melting like an icecream, and by late summer, they were really edging on collapse. And they would've collapsed for sure if UA had more armour+air support back then, around August.

It’s clear the US wants to destroy the entire Russian armored force to the point it will take decades for Russia to even think about doing this again.

 

[Paul2]

@Ali_14 why are you angry? I think just any Iranian versed in regional politics knows that Iranian North is the only place where a regional minority outnumbers ethnic Persians.

There are more Azeris in Iran, than in Azerbaijan itself. Were you let Russians into Azerbaijan, they would've instantly setup another DPR like statelet there.

 

[SalarHaqq]

Iranians refused to stand with the genocided Crimean Tatars. Iranians refused to stand with the genocided Ukrainians.

Had multiple chances in the UN to vote with the genocided people. And either no vote to vote or abstained. That is worse than coward. That is not condemning genocide. To allow further genocide.

So did 34 other nations. The quoted subject however will solely fixate on Iran because Iran has been standing up to the foremost criminals on the planet, to the very imperialist powers whose catalogue of crimes happens to be unrivaled in both scope and intensity.

Chechens were genocided by Russians in the Russian Federation twice

Scholars and jurists aren't classifying the Chechen wars as genocides.

Iran is morally and ethically guilty for siding with Russians over Chechens fighting for freedom.

More inappropriate terminology from the user. Iran played no role whatsoever on the ground in Chechnya - other than assisting Chechen civilians who had become refugees. And, if some reports are to be believed, briefly training a Chechen detachment militarily during the first conflict. On the diplomatic front, Iran did not voice support for the way Russia conducted those war efforts.

Furthermore, formal recognition of Russian territorial integrity was practically a universal position shared by governments the world over.

So the quoted subject could as well write, "the regimes I support - Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and the rest of the EU clique are morally and ethically guilty for siding with Russians over Chechens fighting for freedom."

Iranians supported the start of the Second Chechen War by Putin, when Iranians were aware of the civilian death toll in the First Chechen War.

Show us how Iran specifically "supported the start" of the second Chechen war - war which began when Chechen rebels crossed into Dagestan in August 1999.

Also explain in what way Iran's actions contrasted with those of other countries.

Simply issuing undocumented statements won't make them true. This below is a documented item.

Iranians have a pattern to support Russian genocide, covertly or overtly.

Provide evidence to substantiate this claim. Failing which it'll represent nothing more than a gratuitous fabrication.

You can sit out an opinion regarding war. You cannot sit out an opinion regarding a genocided people being ruled over by their genociders. To do so condones genocide.

Iran expressed concern over the plight of Chechen civilians, thus did not "sit out" on anything.

As for Russian sovereignty over Chechnya, not a single government in the world is disputing it. In accordance with your statements, it follows that all countries without exception are "condoning genocide by Russia".

Better yet, it stems from your rhetoric that Chechens themselves, led by their president Kadyrov, are "condoning" their own "genocide". Doesn't get any more absurd than this, does it.

Crimean Tatars and Ukrainians have been genocided by Russians; and Iranians are two faced liars (ie: Iranians lying that the Donbas war was only a proxy war,

Not Iranians, the UN as well.

Iranians lying that the Iranians never supported Russia vs Chechens in the Second Chechen War,

Iran didn't play any concrete role in the second Chechen war. To pretend otherwise is to manipulate history.

phrased in a way to bait the other party into lying, Iranians skillfully lie to defend genocide, that is diabolical).

I thought "Iranians are such bad liars". Now they are "skillful", "diabolical" ones? Which is it?

When the Palestinians have been kicked out of Israel and only Arab Israelis remain, Palestinian Authority would oppose Israel getting kicked out of Israel because the Palestinian Authority supports Russians ruling over Crimean Tatars when Crimean Tatars have a chance of freedom from their genocidal Russian oppressors, to kick out the genocidal Russians from ruling over them.

If anyone manages to make sense of the above, do let me know.

Palestinians condone genocide:

Close ties with Russia stop Palestinians from taking sides in Ukraine war - analysis

PA President Mahmoud Abbas is still hoping that Russia would play a major role in any future peace process between the Palestinians and Israel.

www.jpost.com

Palestinians must be in the streets demanding the PA condemn genocide. To condemn Russian genociders ruling over those the Russians genocided.

Ah, so Palestinians are evil genocide-supporting maniacs now as well. Thanks for the heads up.

Heard that sort of drivel before though... from hardcore zionists.

Nations such as Azerbaijan, votes in the UN with regard to Russia are completely different.

The only nations with the right to abstain or no vote are those terrified and in fear of Russia.

So (non-nuclear) states have "the right to be terrified" by Russia's military might but Iran, which isn't armed with nuclear weapons either, does not enjoy that luxury?

Russia is wanting to invade and treat Azerbaijan same as Georgia. Genocidal barbarian Russians could genocide them, if Azeris side against Russia. Russia is a clear and present danger to former SSRs and European states.

Such out of touch, paranoid talk doesn't warrant a response.

Iran is cheering for a Russian geopolitical victory for a Russian-led multipolar globe.

From Iranian state media (The Mehr News Agency is a semi-official news agency of the Iranian government):

Iran, Russia looking for new world order

Iran, Russia looking for new world order

TEHRAN, Jan. 24 (MNA) – Chairman of the Russian State Duma Vyacheslav Volodin has arrived in Tehran and met with Iranian Parliament Speaker Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf. In Tehran, talks of a 25-year partnership between Iran and Russia featured high.

en.mehrnews.com

Iran is working towards the advent of a multipolar system, that is an international system no longer dominated by a single hegemonic superpower. This does not imply global Russian leadership. Russia will constitute one important pole among others.

Now if the prospect that Washington could stop imposing its dictates, its never ending wars of choice, its destabilizing strategies, its economic exploitation, its financial terrorism and its cultural aggression on the rest of the planet, and that a more even distribution of resources between multiple poles could contain these excesses, if this represents such an unbearable thought to the author of the above quote, then I'd advise them to get used to it because this is exactly what's going to unfold step by step, much to the relief of humanity at large.

That makes Iran on the side of Russia geopolitically.

Of course Iran and Russia are strategic partners and have no intention of ending their cooperation. NATO and zionists experienced a major set back in their plot to destabilize nations of West Asia thanks to Iranian and Russian cooperation in Syria.

The point was that legally speaking Iran has observed neutrality in the current Ukraine war.

(1) Iran arms Russia in war with Ukraine

Before the war.

(2) Iran refused to condemn Russia in multiple UN votes (on defending genocided people)

And joined multiple nations in doing so.

States do not enjoy a blank cheque to act as it please simply because they claim, like Kiev, to be representing a people who were subjected to genocide at some point in history, and end up engaging in crimes themselves. What happened in Palestine after WW2 offers a poignant illustration thereof.

The focus ought to be on holding to account oppressive regimes. When it comes to the USSR, this was achieved already: the USSR collapsed and even disintegrated. Not the USA regime however. Not the UK. Not yet, that is. But soon enough.

Iran had no obligation to condemn Russia at those UN votes anyway. Russia is certainly not committing "genocide" against anyone. That Ukrainians suffered under Soviet rule - tens of millions of Russians did too, does not make the NATO-installed regime in Kiev a congregation of saints. More importantly, it doesn't absolve NATO of its responsibility in triggering the dynamics which led to armed conflict in Ukraine.

(3) Iranians cheer to NATO Europe defeat at hands of Russia

They're in their right. Countless millions of people in every corner of the world are sharing their views. This is the silent majority whose voice is not echoed by western-controlled mainstream media.

(4) Iranians looking for a new global disorder with a Russian-led mulipolar system

Correction: Iranians are looking for an end to the oppressive unipolar hegemony of the zio-American empire. The rest is drivel.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

It’s clear the US wants to destroy the entire Russian armored force to the point it will take decades for Russia to even think about doing this again.

Russian again is begging to stop the war and start negotiating.

It is clear the Russia is losing the war and about to collapse.

NATO should completely destroy Russian military, hang Putin in public and balkaniz Russia.

The allied countries from NATO, China, Japan, and Pakistan should annex parts of Russia there after.