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Russia-Ukraine War - News and Developments PART 2

I feel sorry for you.



Ok, the link is in german so there is a chance that you get not all information out of it. I brought this link cause it shows that Ukraine build new Helmets since 2014 for the "civilian bataillions" and since 2015 also for the army. Uuuuhhh, wait, i already told you.

Do you like this one? 80000 helmets within 2 weeks? And still sending?


The whole "West" sends Helmets, wests ect. easy to push numbers to a million.

Dude, you are not talking about 80,000 or 100,000, you are talking about 1 million plus, again, you are talking about existing troop, paramilitary, then the 1 million you claim that exist.

And no where in the article it said they keep sending 80,000 helmet every 2 week, did UK even have that many stock themselves?? seeing they only have around 200,000 troop,

And again, it didn't just have helmet, you are talking about the COMPELTE Combat package, Body armour, boots, uniformn as well.

Let me give you a hint, Russia have mobilised 300,000 troop, and they have problem finding equipment to arm those 300,000 troop with, you are talking about Russian raiding airsoft store and use those equipment in actual war
Cause you wrote the mobilising starts at 21 sep 2022, but then you wrote at the same time these mobilised were already in Ukraine in september and oktober and then you write in the same post that end of mobilisation was 28 oct 2022. How should this work? Do you think mobilisation is "call his name and then send him *zapp* to the front in zero time"?

All this dates you listed up, the mobilised russian were all still in Russia or - if some of the bat get full within a week at mobi start - were on there way to Ukraine, but were no near any contactline.

Yes, according to most source, mobilise soldier were usually send within week without proper training.


The majority of them had arrived at military recruitment offices between 25-28 September and were killed in action within just two weeks. It has emerged that the mobilised troops received no more than 7-10 days of training before being dispatched to the front line. Specialists say this would not even be enough time to reactivate the skills of people who already had combat experience.


During the first month of mobilization, the names of at least 29 mobilized Russians killed at the front became known – information about them somehow made its way to the press or social media.


Russia's independent Moscow Times newspaper reported that a 27-year-old man died 10 days after being mobilized, leaving his two children without a father. His relatives said he got no additional training before being deployed.

And there are countless of social media post showing Russian soldier who died still with their mobilisation paper in their pocket, you can find them in this very thread alone.

Or are you expecting there are still 300,000 mobilised soldier in Russia?? LOL
 
Dude, you are not talking about 80,000 or 100,000, you are talking about 1 million plus, again, you are talking about existing troop, paramilitary, then the 1 million you claim that exist.

Oh man, i wrote "the whole west send equipment" and you first only count 5000 from germany, and after i show you 80000 from GB in 2 weeks, you still ignore "the whole west" and insist of max 100000. And so it is with all other things.

Just take a look at the bbc-shit you bring up here as an "argument". Do you really believe that Russia would train only 7 days? Do you really believe this? Whereas Ukraine at the same time train 2-3 weeks regardless they are short of reserves?

Where can i find the shop here on pdf where i can click to purchase "military professional" for 99 Cent? This is soo redicouless.

Lets stop talking together. I put you on ignore.
 
Dude, you are not talking about 80,000 or 100,000, you are talking about 1 million plus, again, you are talking about existing troop, paramilitary, then the 1 million you claim that exist.

And no where in the article it said they keep sending 80,000 helmet every 2 week, did UK even have that many stock themselves?? seeing they only have around 200,000 troop,

And again, it didn't just have helmet, you are talking about the COMPELTE Combat package, Body armour, boots, uniformn as well.

Let me give you a hint, Russia have mobilised 300,000 troop, and they have problem finding equipment to arm those 300,000 troop with, you are talking about Russian raiding airsoft store and use those equipment in actual war


Yes, according to most source, mobilise soldier were usually send within week without proper training.










And there are countless of social media post showing Russian soldier who died still with their mobilisation paper in their pocket, you can find them in this very thread alone.

Or are you expecting there are still 300,000 mobilised soldier in Russia?? LOL
Oh my god, we sent some people to war and some of them are dying!

I am shocked.
 
Oh man, i wrote "the whole west send equipment" and you first only count 5000 from germany, and after i show you 80000 from GB in 2 weeks, you still ignore "the whole west" and insist of max 100000. And so it is with all other things.

Just take a look at the bbc-shit you bring up here as an "argument". Do you really believe that Russia would train only 7 days? Do you really believe this? Whereas Ukraine at the same time train 2-3 weeks regardless they are short of reserves?

Where can i find the shop here on pdf where i can click to purchase "military professional" for 99 Cent? This is soo redicouless.

Lets stop talking together. I put you on ignore.
Well, I am not the person who claim Ukrainian have suffered 1.15 million casualty when the same person who claim they only have 1.46 million strength.

As I said, number are pointless, you are the one keep defending those number, not me.

And then reference to HIMESELF when people ask where those number come from, and ignore people who supply actual facts with reference. LOL
 
Well, I am not the person who claim Ukrainian have suffered 1.15 million casualty when the same person who claim they only have 1.46 million strength.

As I said, number are pointless, you are the one keep defending those number, not me.

And then reference to HIMESELF when people ask where those number come from, and ignore people who supply actual facts with reference. LOL

HAHAHA, you lost again :laugh: Cause again i can show that you fabricate lies and lies again and again.

For the second time: Are you to blind to see "plus the over a million..."? You tried this some posts ago too. Again you let this part away? No, you are not blind. It is "method" by you. And that reduce you to only a liar. Again and again.

LOL

No wonder that nothing works at NATO. These Numbers you gave are from the end of the 90s. In January 2022 Ukraine had 400000 Soldiers plus ~60000 paramilitary like Asov ect. and over 1 million reservists. And these all were in come to combat till August 2021. Plus the over a million what were forced recruit till today (in total 12 rounds of forced recruit).

Maybe western military use to much lipgloss like their generals to make things looking nice...

 
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HAHAHA, you lost again :laugh: Cause again i can show that you fabricate lies and lies again and again.

For the second time: Are you to blind to see "plus the over a million..."? You tried this some posts ago too. Again you let this part away? No, you are not blind. It is "method" by you. And that reduce you to only a liar. Again and again.



Lies??

I didn't even care about the Casualty number as I said in my response to multiple post......Which is what you keep talking post after post

And I am certain NOT the one that throw out stuff that you just said because you realised it didn't fit your narrative down the road.

Do I need to screen cap what you said before and after?? lol

P.S. In case you can't read, I have already put your "Miracle 1 million men" in the rank. Your number was There were 400,000 Ukrainian Troop in 2021, and then somehow by 2022 that expanded to 1.4 mil with 1 million reserve. that's the 1.46 mil number come from.

Or are you adding another million between Jan 2022 to Jan 2023?? And making the total number of people serve between that period 2.5 million?? If so, why not add 5 millions? Why not add 10 million if your number is going to come out of thin air anyway??

:lol: :lol::lol:

Dude, and you now increasing the troop number going back to my original point, it would only make sense for Ukrainian to suffer the casualty rate you have mentioned if they have a 3 million strong force, you basically walking up to that claim from quoting the DW article saying there were 700,000 soldier in Ukraine in Jun 2022, and then you realise 700,000 can't have 360k killed and 800k wounded, then you add 1 million reserve with that number and discounted the DW article you just quoted 3 post ago. And then you realise you can't have 1.46 million troop suffer 1.15 million casualty and still fend off Russian assault and launch 2 counter offensive while holding North and South border, now you come with another magical million people draft??

LOL
 
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HAHAHA, you lost again :laugh: Cause again i can show that you fabricate lies and lies again and again.

For the second time: Are you to blind to see "plus the over a million..."? You tried this some posts ago too. Again you let this part away? No, you are not blind. It is "method" by you. And that reduce you to only a liar. Again and again.



Literally nothing you said makes sense.
 
Literally nothing you said makes sense.
No, nothing he said make sense

He first starts the discussion with Somehow Ukrainian have 1 million Reserve in 2021 (January 2021) He needs to do that to lay groundwork for his number to make sense. Because he claim Ukraine suffer 360,000 Killed 800,000 + wounded. So the number HAVE TO BE over 1 million, otherwise it's just plain illogical for a countrry to suffer 1.15 mil casualty if they have less than 1 million troop. That's number 1.

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Then he claim a few number which show the expanding Ukrainian force, which show Ukraine have 460000 member in total, then I challenge him, that number he quote goes directly against his quote of Ukrainian having 1.5 million troop (well, 1.46 I rounded up) , that is not possible for Ukraine to have 1 million reserve in Jan 2021

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Then he start this post, saying that's a typo. He meant to say Ukrainian Reserve is at 1 million in 2022. Then proceed to say "And for the reservists: Even your Wikipedia said "1 Million reservists in 2021"

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Which is literally false, Wikipedia claim 1 million reserve at 2022.

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And then I told him (as you can see the portion of my post he quote), where would those number be and where all these unit came from? (That was back when he said there are 1 million reserve in 2021, which was corrected later)

His response was quoting an article from DW saying there are 700,000 registered Ukrainian member in AFU, and that number will go up to 1 million if they counted all Paramilitary force (Border guard, National Guard and Police), that's what he said, and you can see clearly.

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Which didn't make sense because as I pointed out, unless Ukrainian Reservist is NOT a registered member with Ukrainian Armed Force, There are only 700,000 registered member as per your claim, even if all those 700,000 were reserve, you still have 300,000 unknown troop left over from that 1 million reserve he was talking about previously. Which means either the DW article HE QUOTED is incorrect, or the Wikipedia number HE QUOTED regarding the reservist strength is incorrect, which one is it?

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Realising he had made a mistake. He then said and I quote" Do you really think Cocainsky (zelenskyy) would tell the exact number of Ukrainian force in July 2022 to a news outlet."

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and my replies was, if so, then why you quote the DW article in the first place??

Bear in mind, this is the same person who accuse me of being dishonest and lying about what I wrote. And this is the exchange we have. So yes, nothing he said ever make sense, and if it does not make sense, he will say stuff that directly contradict to what he previosuly said and then said you are a liar....

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News|Russia-Ukraine war

Russia: NATO war involvement ‘growing’ with arms to Ukraine​

Former adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin says NATO’s weapons deliveries could result in military retaliation against nations supplying them.


Published On 26 Jan 202326 Jan 2023

Russia says the delivery of NATO battle tanks to Ukraine is evidence of “direct and growing” US and European involvement in the war, with one analyst suggesting supplying nations could become potential targets.
The comments come after the United States and Germany on Wednesday said they would arm Ukraine with dozens of heavy tanks in its fight against Russian forces.

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“There are constant statements from European capitals and Washington that the sending of various weapons systems to Ukraine, including tanks, in no way signifies the involvement of these countries or the alliance in hostilities in Ukraine,” Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on Thursday.
“We categorically disagree with this and, in Moscow, everything the alliance and the capitals I mentioned are doing is seen as direct involvement in the conflict. We see that this is growing.”
Kyiv has been seeking hundreds of modern tanks to give its troops the firepower to break Russian defensive lines and reclaim occupied territory in Ukraine’s south and east. Ukraine and Russia have been relying primarily on Soviet-era T-72 tanks.
Russia, which launched the war by invading Ukraine on February 24 last year, has increasingly portrayed the conflict as a confrontation with NATO.
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Sergey Karaganov, a former adviser to Russian President Vladimir Putin, said NATO’s weapons deliveries could result in possible military retaliation against the nations supplying them.
“By sending tanks, the NATO countries are becoming more openly involved in the war and that makes them potential targets,” he told Al Jazeera.
Abrams tanks

’25 years of NATO expansion’​

Karaganov also blamed NATO for starting the conflict in Ukraine.
“It is not exactly a Russian-Ukraine war, it is a Russian-Western war. Ukrainians are used as cannon fodder and the leadership is basically marionettes. The West has been advancing and preparing to attack Russia, and Russia decided to strike openly first. But it has been 25 years of NATO expansion.”

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Despite the vast arms supplies by the West, Karaganov predicted a Russian victory.
“Eventually, Russia will destroy Ukraine’s military and the country will be fully de-militarised. The neo-Nazi regime there will be finished,” he said.

Game-changer?​

Experts are divided on how effective Germany’s Leopard 2 and the US Abrams tanks will be against Russian forces.
“The deliveries of Leopard 2 will take our ground forces to a qualitatively new level,” said Ukrainian military analyst Oleh Zhdanov.

Even though Leopard 2s are heavier than Soviet-designed tanks, they have a strong edge in firepower and survivability.
“One Leopard 2 could be equivalent to three or five Russian tanks,” Zhdanov said.
But he noted the promised number of Western tanks represents only the minimum Ukraine needs to repel a likely offensive by Moscow, adding that Russia has thousands of heavy armoured vehicles.
“Kyiv is preparing for a defensive operation and its outcome will determine the future course of the conflict,” Zhdanov said.
Russian military analysts were more sceptical about the NATO tanks, arguing that while Abrams proved clearly superior to older models of Soviet-built ones during the war in Iraq, newer Russian models are more closely matched. They also noted Leopard 2 tanks used by the Turkish army against the Kurds in Syria proved vulnerable to Soviet-era anti-tank weapons.

Andrei Kartapolov, a retired general who heads the defence affairs committee in the lower house of the Russian parliament, argued both Leopard 2 and Abrams are inferior to Russia’s T-90, a modified version of the T-72.
The latest Russian tank, the T-14 Armata, has been manufactured only in small numbers and so far has not been used in the war.
The United Kingdom’s defence ministry said in its latest intelligence update that Russia has worked to prepare a small batch of T-14s for deployment in Ukraine, but added it had engine and other problems.

‘Major policy change’​

Russian observers, meanwhile, noted it could take a significant time for the Western tanks to reach Ukraine, adding that training Ukrainians to use and properly maintain them would add to the challenge.
“It likely means that the Ukrainian military will probably receive a few small batches of tanks that could be incompatible with each other,” Moscow-based defence analyst Ilya Kramnik said in a commentary.
Putin, his diplomats and military leaders have repeatedly warned the West that supplying long-range weapons capable of striking deep inside Russia would mark a red line and trigger massive retaliation.

Zhdanov argued that by agreeing to arm Ukraine with tanks, the West crossed an important psychological barrier and could eventually provide Kyiv with even more deadly weapons.
“Handing over Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine marks a major change in the policy of Western allies who stopped fearing escalation and are now ready to challenge Russia in the war of resources,” Zhdanov said.
“The West is forced to more widely open the doors to its military arsenals to Ukraine.”

‘Harsh retaliatory action’​

Ukrainian officials have long expressed hope of getting US F-16 fighter jets and long-range rockets for the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, known as HIMARS, to hit targets far behind the front lines.
Such desires drew ominous remarks from Russian diplomat Konstantin Gavrilov, similar to those voiced earlier by Putin and others.

“If Washington and NATO give Kyiv weapons to strike peaceful cities deep inside Russia and try to seize the territories that constitutionally belong to Russia, it will force Moscow to take harsh retaliatory action,” Gavrilov told a meeting of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.
“Don’t tell us then that we haven’t warned you.”

SOURCE: AL JAZEERA AND NEWS AGENCIES
 
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Next time, do your own search if you want to validate it. I don't like to do the work for lazy people who could do it for themselves instead of asking someone else to do it for them.
Laziest person are the ones trolling random twitter handles . For you the sole source of information are losers on twitter, Fox and Sun. Please work to sound more credible.

You are also missing the bigger point which what prompted this discussion: you asserted an 8:1 kill advantage and yet Russia is holding half the land it held 10 months ago and may be got another town. Thats how bad the Russians are?
 
Russian Defence industry is struggling with its human capital issue:

Those that work in the factory will get deferment from military service. But that also is not sufficient: they are getting prisoners to work there.

I will exercise my own principle to say I am not sure how much the prison stuff is true (in this news report) but the deferment is part of Putin's own speech to the industry.

 
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