Russia had hand in China’s Type 054 frigate: Russian media

[Ind4Ever]

Russia had hand in China’s Type 054 frigate: Russian media
Published March 7, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: WANTCHINATIMES

A report published by a Russian military news website on March 1 suggests that China’s most advanced frigate, the Type 054 multirole warship along with its variants, were developed with the help of Russian experts.

There are more Type 054 frigates in service with the PLA Navy than any other class of warship. At the start of 2014, the PLA Navy had 15 of the frigates in service and five were being built at Guangzhou’s Whampoa Shipyard and the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai, which differ from their predecessors in their missile systems and electrical interference weapons.

The frigate was developed quite quickly, as its initial design process began in 2009 and it went into production just three years later, taking two to three years less than any other warship China has developed. One Chinese expert said that this was due to concern over territorial disputes concerning islands in the East and South China seas, although the Russian website suggested it may have been due to help from Russia.

The report said that China will produce a first batch of 20 Type 056 frigates once the new ship, currently under development, is ready to enter production. The PLA Navy are said to require 40 Type 056 frigates in total and their construction is likely to cost US$8 billion.

The new ships will likely be constructed simultaneously at the Whampoa, Hudong-Zhonghua, Wuchang and Dalian shipyards.

Six more warships are expected to be commissioned in China in the near future and will likely be deployed to the South Sea Fleet, as China is currently engaged in territorial disputes with Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea region.

The development of fleets in Northeast Asian countries is different to European countries, according to the article.

The report took Japan as an example, stating that Japan favors destroyers that can be assigned a range of different combat roles or special missions, whereas China has a more balanced approach, preferring to design several different kinds of submarine in order to complete a range of different missions.

The report stated that in both countries, frigates were used as the first line of defense against submarines and to protect marine territory and strategic naval corridors.


Looks like all the major military technologies of china indeed work of Russian Brains . From attack helicopter to China's most advanced frigate. Only god know still how many projects are under Russian. Definitely not stopped with just two .

 

[Echo_419]

Russia had hand in China’s Type 054 frigate: Russian media
Published March 7, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: WANTCHINATIMES

A report published by a Russian military news website on March 1 suggests that China’s most advanced frigate, the Type 054 multirole warship along with its variants, were developed with the help of Russian experts.

There are more Type 054 frigates in service with the PLA Navy than any other class of warship. At the start of 2014, the PLA Navy had 15 of the frigates in service and five were being built at Guangzhou’s Whampoa Shipyard and the Hudong-Zhonghua Shipyard in Shanghai, which differ from their predecessors in their missile systems and electrical interference weapons.

The frigate was developed quite quickly, as its initial design process began in 2009 and it went into production just three years later, taking two to three years less than any other warship China has developed. One Chinese expert said that this was due to concern over territorial disputes concerning islands in the East and South China seas, although the Russian website suggested it may have been due to help from Russia.

The report said that China will produce a first batch of 20 Type 056 frigates once the new ship, currently under development, is ready to enter production. The PLA Navy are said to require 40 Type 056 frigates in total and their construction is likely to cost US$8 billion.

The new ships will likely be constructed simultaneously at the Whampoa, Hudong-Zhonghua, Wuchang and Dalian shipyards.

Six more warships are expected to be commissioned in China in the near future and will likely be deployed to the South Sea Fleet, as China is currently engaged in territorial disputes with Vietnam and the Philippines in the South China Sea region.

The development of fleets in Northeast Asian countries is different to European countries, according to the article.

The report took Japan as an example, stating that Japan favors destroyers that can be assigned a range of different combat roles or special missions, whereas China has a more balanced approach, preferring to design several different kinds of submarine in order to complete a range of different missions.

The report stated that in both countries, frigates were used as the first line of defense against submarines and to protect marine territory and strategic naval corridors.


Looks like all the major military technologies of china indeed work of Russian Brains . From attack helicopter to China's most advanced frigate. Only god know still how many projects are under Russian. Definitely not stopped with just two .

I urge you not to use such Type of Titles
On topic
There Russians might be involved in a limited capacity as Advisors

 

[ravi kiran]

in the end it only matters that they have that frigates built and operational.
nothing is wrong in taking advice from Russians as they have very good knowledge and experience in ship building.
and we Indians have taken help of Russians in almost every Project.

 

[browser]

So they helped, probably in some areas (for a compensation).

What's the big deal.

Asians help the West all the time in their defense needs (since many work at those firms)

 

[salarsikander]

Now thats some positive response from respected Indian Members

 

[Ind4Ever]

in the end it only matters that they have that frigates built and operational.
nothing is wrong in taking advice from Russians as they have very good knowledge and experience in ship building.
and we Indians have taken help of Russians in almost every Project.

Now thats some positive response from respected Indian Members

So they helped, probably in some areas (for a compensation).

What's the big deal.

Asians help the West all the time in their defense needs (since many work at those firms)

No big deal ? Are u serious ?
It's called expose because it's actually exposed by Russian Media not the Chinese . Something which is important for national security is the matter of concern good new or bad . Doesn't matter.

So they helped, probably in some areas (for a compensation).

What's the big deal.

Asians help the West all the time in their defense needs (since many work at those firms)

For real ? Asians help west to build their weaponry ...? Am Asian as well but I don't have to say like this to make me proud. We contribute in many other area as well . When other nation makes a deal with friendly country it's right to tell our people that its developed by us or with collaboration with Russia etc.

My point is why they might have stopped with only two projects Attack Chopper and Frigates . Both are advanced weapons system in Chinese .Don't you think credibility is questionable ?

My problem is what if Russian gave away the Brahmos technology or atleast like wit same technology. Now this is serious concern not only for me but to all Indians

I urge you not to use such Type of Titles
On topic
There Russians might be involved in a limited capacity as Advisors

Don't you think it's really concern us ? Indians ? Russians where really moving away from India for these years... Don't you think much more strategically important info's shared between them ? Even our frigates bought from the Russians ? I wonder they shared PAK-FA technology to develop J20 J 31 .

Because Russians have this business for many years now. All their information looted from US has been first used with in and sold to US enemies as well . Like for sure these kind of projects will be carried out with Iran and North Korea .

Hope our deals are kept as per the legal bonding

 

[browser]

No big deal ? Are u serious ?


For real ? Asians help west to build their weaponry ...? Am Asian as well but I don't have to say like this to make me proud. We contribute in many other area as well . When other nation makes a deal with friendly country it's right to tell our people that its developed by us or with collaboration with Russia etc.


My problem is what if Russian gave away the Brahmos technology or atleast like wit same technology. Now this is serious concern not only for me but to all Indians

Stop being naive.

I did not say Asians don't contribute in other areas but ..

This habit we have of talking down ourselves to score brownie points against each other must change.

Do you think that for a minute the U.S. would not steal tech developed by others for advancing themselves ..its factually wrong and there are many cases of this through history.

Russians have the right to give away Brahmos technology as they believe its theirs.

Are we going to cry like babies or get on with things..

 

[Echo_419]

No big deal ? Are u serious ?
It's called expose because it's actually exposed by Russian Media not the Chinese . Something which is important for national security is the matter of concern good new or bad . Doesn't matter.


For real ? Asians help west to build their weaponry ...? Am Asian as well but I don't have to say like this to make me proud. We contribute in many other area as well . When other nation makes a deal with friendly country it's right to tell our people that its developed by us or with collaboration with Russia etc.

My point is why they might have stopped with only two projects Attack Chopper and Frigates . Both are advanced weapons system in Chinese .Don't you think credibility is questionable ?

My problem is what if Russian gave away the Brahmos technology or atleast like wit same technology. Now this is serious concern not only for me but to all Indians



Don't you think it's really concern us ? Indians ? Russians where really moving away from India for these years... Don't you think much more strategically important info's shared between them ? Even our frigates bought from the Russians ? I wonder they shared PAK-FA technology to develop J20 J 31 .

Because Russians have this business for many years now. All their information looted from US has been first used with in and sold to US enemies as well . Like for sure these kind of projects will be carried out with Iran and North Korea .

Hope our deals are kept as per the legal bonding

In this world no one is really a friend of anyone besides
Money walks,Bullshit walks

 

[Mustang06]

So what now??...they might have helped and they are on their way to have 40 frigates which will help them in the future!

 

[browser]

So what now??...they might have helped and they are on their way to have 40 frigates which will help them in the future!

Man, you are brilliant.

So we need to build 40 as well. Are you saying we are incapable of this ?

 

[Ind4Ever]

Man, you are brilliant.

So we need to build 40 as well. Are you saying we are incapable of this ?

Then how do you see this ? Why China have to go to Russia to built Advanced Frigates ? That too design started in 2008-9 and sailing in 2014 . My concern is bloody our new frigates were also from russia ... Any compromise Done ???

 

[browser]

Then how do you see this ? Why China have to go to Russia to built Advanced Frigates ? That too design started in 2008-9 and sailing in 2014 . My concern is bloody our new frigates were also from russia ... Any compromise Done ???

Then our stupid cong. govt. should have signed an agreement with Russia to not assist China.
Short of that, let's move on..

On compromising our ability, doubt it as hardware is only one component of warfare. Economy, industrialization, training etc are equally important.

Btw, China gave up claim to land mass the size of France in their border agreement with Russia in return for this kind of military support.

Russians are just following the agreement.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Then our stupid cong. govt. should have signed an agreement with Russia to not assist China.
Short of that, let's move on..

On compromising our ability, doubt it as hardware is only one component of warfare. Economy, industrialization, training etc are equally important.

Btw, China gave up claim to land mass the size of France in their border agreement with Russia in return for this kind of military support.

Russians are just following the agreement.

Chinese are like lucky person on earth. US started with manufacturing their goods due to low cost production . And Russians are ready to sell anything for money . Now Chinese have money like a fairy tale happy ending

 

[IsaacNewton]

China's warships perfect fit for Russian navy, says magazine

• Staff Reporter
• 2014-09-30
• 11:59 (GMT+8)

The Yueyang, a Type 054A frigate, during the commissioning ceremony on May 3, 2013. (File photo/ CNS)

The August issue of Russia's National Defense Magazine has advised the country to buy warships from China to compensate for its own weakness in shipbuilding and to strengthen Russia's power in the Asia-Pacific region.

China's Type 054A frigate may be an ideal option for Russia, the report said.

With debate sparked by the suspension of a French delivery of two Mistral-class amphibious assault ships to Russia, the need to bring in escort ships is all the more pressing. Even if Russia receives the two warships — the Vladivostok and the Sevastopol — and integrates them into the fleet in the following two years, the current deploy of warships is far less from sufficient, said the article.

Russia has few active battleships. There is only the Varyag missile cruiser and four Type-1155 destroyers for the country's large anti-submarine warships. These ships, all built during the Soviet era, are old, overused, and still engaged in cruising missions in the neighboring regions or anti-piracy campaigns off Africa. The rest include three Type-956 destroyers, which have been placed under long-term maintenance and are hardly functional, according to the report.

A Mistral-class amphibious assault ship needs three to four escort ships, while other warships, including two Project 955 Borei-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines, are also expected to enter service by the end of the year or early next year and will need escorts as well.

Russia is incapable in this stage of filling in its shortage of escort warships, despite the many ships that are being constructed at the country's shipywards, said the report. The delivery of two Project 20380 corvettes from the Almaz Design Bureau has been delayed indefinitely, as well as the Type 22350 escort being assembled by the Northern Design Bureau, due to issues related to funding and inadequate facility technology.

Ukraine, one of the few countries capable of producing combustion turbine engines, had been providing services to Russia before the sanction prohibiting the engine's export to the country. Other countries that could build combustion turbine engines include the US, the UK and China, said the report.

China's Type 054A frigate, codenamed Jiangkai II by NATO, is a perfect fit for the Russian navy for many reasons. First of all, the model was designed and built with help from Russia's leading shipmaker, the Northern Design Bureau in St Petersburg. Second, the ship is equipped with weapons and electronic facilities that are designed according to the specs of samples, allowing the parts to be interchanged conveniently. Third, the advanced war ship meets Russian's demands for powerful weapons, invisibility, adaptability and endurance. Finally, the Type 054A frigate worked well with Russian flotillas well during the Russia-China military drill in May, which shows its capability to work side-by-side with Russian ships.

The Type 054A frigate has a full displacement of 4,053 tonnes, is 134.1 meters long and 16 meters wide. The ship can reach a maximum speed at 27 kn. Its firearms include two sets of quadruple launchers for C-803 missiles, 32 vertical launching systems for HQ-16 missiles, one H/PJ26 stealthy 76mm dual purpose gun mount, two Type 730 seven-barrelled 30 mm Gatling gun close-in weapon systems, 2 x 3 324mm YU-7 ASW torpedo launchers, 2 x 6 Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launchers, and can carry one Kamov Ka-28 "Helix" or Harbin Z-9C.

Russia has been a mentor to China as it builds up its national defense technology. Now that the Chinese student has outpaced the Russian teacher, "there is no shame" asking for assistance from China, the report said.

Exporting battleships to Russia would be a win-win situation for China, too, since the Russian ships could be leverage on the side of the PLA to balance the influence of US and Japanese maritime forces in the Asia-Pacific.

 

[browser]

Chinese are like lucky person on earth. US started with manufacturing their goods due to low cost production . And Russians are ready to sell anything for money . Now Chinese have money like a fairy tale happy ending

Not lucky..
They had good governance since the 80s while we were worshiping the Gandhi family.