Russia Develops Own THAAD-like, GMD-like Missile Defense Systems

[Oldman1]

It doesn't matter who started development first. Fact remains that US and USSR signed the anti-ballistic missile treaty in 70's. That understanding should have been kept. And the treaty did well for 30 years! Until Bush administration withdrew in 2002.



Since US is such a peace loving nation, you can point a finger anywhere in the world while blindfolded, and there is a very high chance you will end up in a place where US has some rival it needs to "defend" against. With regards to China, US should have come up with a mutual plan of ABM defence operated by both countries. Instead it ended up scaring the Chinese. Now Chinese are developing new weapons that travel at Mach 10 speed. Such short reaction times are not good in tense situations and can lead to a misunderstanding and nuclear exchange. Can you honestly say that either US or China is in a better position when weapons like these become deployed? I stick to my statement that nuclear equilibrium must never be disturbed.



Iron dome is meant to counter unguided rockets, not ballistic missiles. And since Gaza strip is basically a small stretch of land its easy to perform surveillance. Israel literally has eyes from the sky on all the territory. They know it the exact moment the rocket takes off.

Hence why the Bush administration pulled out because it was Cold War times. This is the 21st century. Even China is developing ABM systems. Have we factored China into this treaty during the 70s? Nope. And I doubt China would want to signed a new ABM treaty anyways since it would restrict their own weapons development.

For example, China shot down a satellite that can also be used to shoot down ballistic missiles or warheads in orbit in 2007 and the U.S. responded a year later by destroying a satellite from a ship. So in reality it scared the U.S. Something the U.S. hasn't done since the 80s which was shooting down satellites. And since we are also developing weapons that can travel hypersonic if you haven't noticed, then neither country is in a better position.

 

[anonymus]

Pakistan does not have marv's and mirv's like usa and russia.
Shaheens and ghauris can be tackled far more easily than tridents,bulavas and dong fengs.

To design a 5000Km range MIRV missile, one need capability to design a proper 10,000 Km range ICBM.

 

[he-man]

To design a 5000Km range MIRV missile, one need capability to design a proper 10,000 Km range ICBM.

Thats why i said it,,pakistan is years and years away from that capability if it at all develops it.

 

[Oldman1]

Iron dome is meant to counter unguided rockets, not ballistic missiles. And since Gaza strip is basically a small stretch of land its easy to perform surveillance. Israel literally has eyes from the sky on all the territory. They know it the exact moment the rocket takes off.

Unguided rockets are still missiles that are fast and can do damage to a country. And since you point out Israel has eyes from the sky all over its territory, then you can apply to U.S. missile warning system that covers the world.

 

[vostok]

here is Russian radars cover. Blue - Soviet radars, black - modern Russian radars.

 

[Hindustani78]

Range of the new radars "Voronezh DM" - 6000 km.
example
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And what is the range of first surface complex of Russia's military space surveillance system on the territory of Altai region and the station located in Tajikistan which is element of Russian military space control system ?

 

[vostok]

And what is the range of first surface complex of Russia's military space surveillance system on the territory of Altai region and the station located in Tajikistan which is element of Russian military space control system ?

About "Okno" in Tajikistan
Allows detection, identification and calculation of the orbits of space objects in automatic mode at altitudes from 2000km up to 40000km and larger than one meter. The complex is also able to maintain low-orbit space objects with altitudes from 120 to 2000 km.

 

[Hindustani78]

About "Okno" in Tajikistan
Allows detection, identification and calculation of the orbits of space objects in automatic mode at altitudes from 2000km up to 40000km and larger than one meter. The complex is also able to maintain low-orbit space objects with altitudes from 120 to 2000 km.

So does it means that Russian Missile shield radars, interceptors and launchers are already on place. Some days back there was one article that Russian space control system saw the launches of 3 ballistic missiles one week back.

 

[vostok]

So does it means that Russian Missile shield radars, interceptors and launchers are already on place. Some days back there was one article that Russian space control system saw the launches of 3 ballistic missiles one week back.

There is a systematic replacement of old Soviet to the new Russian-made radar systems.

 

[Hindustani78]

There is a systematic replacement of old Soviet to the new Russian-made radar systems.

So are you saying that Russian Missile Shield is operational ?

 

[vostok]

So are you saying that Russian Missile Shield is operational ?

Ground component - yes. Cosmic one will be restored by 2018.

 

[Hindustani78]

Ground component - yes. Cosmic one will be restored by 2018.

New Russian Space Anti-Ballistic Missile System On-Track for 2020: Engineer / Sputnik International

MOSCOW, December 8 (Sputnik) – An improved early warning system in space for detecting ballistic missile launches will be in place by 2020, a chief engineer from the Russian defense corporation Almaz Antey said Monday.
“In the development of the space echelon, everything necessary has been accepted and the technical solutions have been tested, and we expect that the low-Earth orbit space echelon early warning ballistic missile system in its improved form will by 2020, or even earlier, provide the necessary characteristics of a constant warning of ballistic missile launches,” Pavel Sozinov said during a conference.

The possibilities to detect moving targets have significantly improved in recent years, Sozinov stated, speaking of the creation of an identification system over the territory of Russia at medium and high altitudes. When it comes to detecting enemy targets at low and very low altitudes, "the possibilities at this perimeter are, of course, very limited," the chief engineer said.

Sozinov also noted that the Russian defense industry has made significant progress in the creation of fuel for interceptor missiles and thermal barrier coatings that can withstand heat up to 3,500 degrees Celsius.

The creation of a unified space-based ballistic missile warning system in Russia was announced by Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu in October. The system is set to replace Soviet-made ballistic missile early warning systems and will comprise next-generation space vehicles and modernized space centers that would ensure control over satellites and allow automatic information processing.

 

[SipahSalar]

Actually No.

People said same thing about SAM's in 1960's but today SAM's have progressed to such a degree that advanced SAM's have close to 100% kill rate.


If you think that Enemy would just make better missiles. you are wrong.Laws of Physics are on the side of ABM systems.

See, Whenever an advancement is made in warhead, it carries a weight penalty. If you make maneuverable warheads, you would have to provide some fuel onboard that warhead or a computer system with fins. Both of these increases weight and size of warheads. Also maneuverability is inversely proportional to velocity. At hypersonic velocities, a small deflection of 1 minute would take warhead off course by 100's of Kms and it would require precise actuary controls and large amount of force to bring it back oncourse.

If you deploy countermeasures like Chaff,balloons and dummy warheads , then again weight penalty + even 5 years back algorithms that could separate warhead that is likely to hit target from dummies have been written and radars which could see through chaff have been developed. The idea of enclosing warhead inside a balloon is also a dud as balloons with warhead enclosed inside follow a different trajectory.

On Top of this, a missile has to carry all these contraptions into outer space and bring them back. This require much more energy than an ABM missile which has to go up 40-50 Km at max into space. A ABM missile could carry more sophisticated interceptors than a missile could carry warheads. Ascendancy of ABM systems over missiles is only a matter of time.

You could see this in state of missile defence 10 years ago and today.

The whole assumption is based that you will have to fit something into the missile, and that missiles cannot get lighter as technology moves on. There are alot of variations that can be made to a missile, like increasing its speed. So law of physics work both ways. I dont comment much on what-if scenarios.

Thats what u think.
The radar for indian BMD has a current range of 800 km and will be updated to 1500 km very soon.

Short reaction time: as in time the launch is detected and interpreted and the time taken to decide what to do with it, it has nothing to do with the radar capability.

But Short distance or i would say lack of strategic depth of Pakistan is an advantageous for India than otherwise. Indian radars could cover whole of Pakistan thus level of warning that India would have in case of missile launch by Pakistan is more than it would have in case of China.

Again a what-if scenario. As the situation is right now, India does not cover the entirety of Pakistan with radars.

Akash is Nuclear capable. If we run out of ABM batteries, we could simple put Tactical Nuke on Akash and start foring them at incoming missiles.

What-if scenario. Even so, during a nuclear barrage, you wont have time to come up with the strategy and then actually implement it. So if you are to do that, it has to be done now. Although using tactical nukes on your territory is not wise.

And since we are also developing weapons that can travel hypersonic if you haven't noticed, then neither country is in a better position.

Thats what i said, that neither country is in a better position, but in a far worse position since the reaction time to a presumed nuclear attack has been greatly reduced with these weapons.

To design a 5000Km range MIRV missile, one need capability to design a proper 10,000 Km range ICBM.

I really hope Pakistan is not wasting its resources on a 5000km missile, as the situation is Pakistan already covers the entirety of India with its Missile range.

Thats why i said it,,pakistan is years and years away from that capability if it at all develops it.

No need for such capability. Instead of range Pak should focus on accuracy and faster and stealthier missiles.

Unguided rockets are still missiles that are fast and can do damage to a country. And since you point out Israel has eyes from the sky all over its territory, then you can apply to U.S. missile warning system that covers the world.

With that theory even bullets are missiles. And what i said was literal and not figurative. So USA does not cover the entire world with eyes.

 

[Hindustani78]

Target acquisition radars at the Ashuluk range during air defense drills in Astrakhan region

Founding Day of Russian Air Force Radio-Technical Troops / Sputnik International
15.12.2014
In 2013, the RTT tracked over 360,000 flights over Russian territory.

The RTT are a high-tech combat arm, equipped with complex and costly modern weapons and military equipment. To operate the high-tech equipment, the service personnel are required to have thorough education and training.

Each year, over 1,000 personnel, including officers and lower-ranking specialist personnel, undergo training and take professional development courses at RTT educational centers.

The main requirement for the radio-electronic equipment supplied to the Radio-Technical Troops is its ability to increase RTT units' maneuverability and their ability to provide information on the current military situation in any new positioning area in the shortest possible time.

The RTT are supplied with advanced radio-electronic equipment, including radar systems and radars such as Nebo, Protivnik, Gamma, Sopka, Kasta, Podlyot, and automated systems like Fundament and Krym.

In 2014, RTT units will receive ten Nebo-ME advanced radar systems capable of detecting any type of aircraft at ranges of over 1,000 kilometers.

By 2015, the share of modern weapons in the RTT is expected to reach at least 30 percent, approaching 70 percent by 2020.


Anyone who much is the range of these radars ?

 

[Hindustani78]

TASS: Russia - Russia creating super heavy Sarmat ICBM without cooperation with Ukraine — commander

VLASIKHA, December 16. /TASS/. Russia is developing the Sarmat super heavy liquid-propelled intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on its own without cooperation with Ukraine’s defense enterprises, as there is no need in it, Commander of the Russian Strategic Missile Forces (RSMF) Colonel General Sergey Karakayev said on Tuesday.

“As for using the potential of the Ukrainian defense sector, there is no need in it today,” he said, adding that since 1993 all missiles for RSMF have been developed only by Russian enterprises, and the country’s industry has mastered the liquid-propellant technology since the Soviet period.

“One of the main enterprises developing liquid-propelled missiles now is the Academician V.P. Makeyev State Rocket Center. Thanks to the high scientific-technical and industrial potential, it has won a tender for the state order placement that also involved other Russian enterprises, in particular, the Reutov-based VPK NPO Mashinostroyeniya rocket design bureau,” the commander told reporters on the eve of the 55th anniversary of RVSN creation.

According to Karakayev, the Makeyev State Rocket Center “has drawn together cooperation ensuring closed-cycle design, development and serial production of missiles and sea-launched missile systems. Specialists of the enterprises have carried out major preparatory work, in particular, for the study of the experience of the creation of the Voivode class missiles (NATO’s reporting name Satan).”

“So, we have no doubt that the new heavy liquid-propelled missile will be created before the end of the current decade,” Karakayev said.




TASS: Russia - Around 400 missiles on combat duty in Russia missile forces — commander

December 16, 12:53 UTC+3
“Russian Strategic Missile Forces have around two thirds of nuclear warheads in the country’s Strategic Nuclear Forces,” Commander of Strategic Missile Forces Colonel General Sergey Karakayev said

VLASIKHA (Moscow region), December 16. /TASS/. Around 400 strategic missiles with warheads assigned for them are currently on combat duty in Strategic Missile Forces, Commander of Strategic Missile Forces Colonel General Sergey Karakayev told reporters.

“Russian Strategic Missile Forces have around two thirds of nuclear warheads in the country’s Strategic Nuclear Forces,” he said on the eve of the 55th anniversary of establishing Russian Strategic Missile Forces.

TASS: Russia - Russian Strategic Missile Forces plan 14 launches in 2015 — commander

VLASIKHA (Moscow region), December 16. /TASS/. Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) plan to carry out 14 launches next year, 9 of which will be test launches, RVSN Commander Colonel General Sergei Karakayev told reporters on Tuesday.

“A total of 14 launches are planned for 2015 - for the flight tests of advanced weapons samples and controlling technical readiness of missile systems adopted for service,” he said on the eve of the 55th anniversary of RVSN creation.

According to Karakayev, the number of test launches next year is to be increased to 9. Another 5 launches will pursue other goals - missile scrapping with simultaneous launch of a spacecraft, service life extension and checkout firing.

The RVSN commander also said that 24 Yars mobile and fixed land-based missile systems are planned to be delivered to the troops in 2015. According to him, 16 Yars missile systems were delivered to the troops in 2014: 12 - mobile land-based and 4 - silo-based systems.

“The preparation for rearmament of new missile regiments in accordance with 2015 plans is underway. The state defence order envisages further development of the RVSN striking power. Much is planned to be done next year,” Karakayev said. According to him, the research and development work for the creation the Yars modernised strategic missile systems is nearing completion.
The three-stage Yars missile is Russia’s newest mobile intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) complex. The system was first tested in 2007. Though most of its characteristics are classified, open information suggests that it can deliver at least four thermonuclear warheads weighing 300 kilotons each to a target located 11,000 kilometres away. The complex is solid-fuel based, and its boost phase is much shorter compared to previous generation missiles. RS-24 Yars has “adaptive” missile shield piercing capacity and its warheads are manoeuvrable - making it highly unlikely to be intercepted.

Karakayev also said Russia’s Strategic Missile Forces (RVSN) will carry out 2 test launches this December.

“In December 2014, it is planned to carry out 2 missile test launches. The test firing is aimed at confirming the flight technical characteristics and extension of the service life of the existing missile systems, as well as experimental development of new combat equipment,” he said on the eve of the 55th anniversary of the RVSN creation.

Karakayev said that this year the Strategic Missile Forces have conducted a total of 8 combat training and test launches of missiles.