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Russia, China support India’s UNSC aspirations

1) Woa, how conceited can you Indians get? Have you ever went abroad? Because if you had, you would know that the Japanese/Chinese are holy saints compared to the Indians. We group you guys with the Africans.

2) Oh right! I forgot that Indians have a life expectancy of 65 years! I guess it's in the Indian genes to have 22% lower IQ and live 10 years shorter than the average Chinese and Japanese.

3) Economic power? Wait, aren't you guys in debt? Don't you guys have a negative account balance? I recall that you guys have a trading deficit with both Japan and China. So, what does that denote? No one wants ur crap, and your "domestic" economy is developing on loans, with interest, which will only grow in times to come. By the way, relying on domestic economy means no one outside your country want you BSOD critical error softwares. Japan's economy is slowing down because it made too much use of its domestic economy. It had no buffer when the Plaza Accord came. At the time of crisis, China lifted domestic consumption by lowering interest and increasing wages -- something India has been doing for the past decade. What buffer do you guys have? Your 65 years of life expectancy?

4) Oh my god! India is diplomatically powerful? Yes, if dependent was what you meant... When's the last time you guys spoke up to the United States and Russia? I remember China not willing to stop manipulating its currency and being reluctant to sanction Iran and Japan kicking the US off of Okinawa and doesn't give a **** about western protests regarding whale meat. Will the Ruskies come to your aid when China takes Arunachal Pradesh? They'd just neglect you like Vietnam, LOL

5) Oh no! The Russian Federation will collapse the moment India stops purchasing its soviet-era arms. What will the Russians do with all their oil reserves?!

6) Political stability? Wasn't an Indian politician shot in public just a few days ago? It doesn't happen in China or Japan, lol...

7) The last time I checked, you guys still have 1/4 of Japan or China's economy. Mind you that India has 9 times the population of Japan and is growing at a much slower pace than China. I recall that the commies just grew 11.9% from Jan to Apr 2010, with Tokyo reporting their figures later this month.

8) Wasn't India still ruled by Britain years after WWII ended...? So, since India was a part of the British Empire, which was a part of the Allies during WWII, you guys should be permenant members of the UNSC too, right? I follow your logic!

9) Great record with the UN: don't have veto powers to make any difference.

10) "Military power," correction: "Imported military power"

11) "represents 1/6 population of the world" with only 2% of the world's wealth.

12) I cannot comprehend PPP. Doesn't that just mean defects made and sold in India are cheaper?


1. who is WE..? care to elaborate...i hope its not WHITE POWER .. is it..?

2. seems you forget things too often.. in one of your posts you had pointed out that INDIANs have 11% less IQ than white persons..
That means you guys are having ~11% less IQ than CHINESE and JAPANESE...

3. only if you knew in how much debt AMERICA is..but seems international economics is not something which i would like to explain here..

4. Lets talk about US first..

1971 -- US sent its 7th fleet to scare india to not interfare in internal affairs of PAKISTAN..what happened everybody knows (i assume you included)..

1974-- Smiling BUdha Nuclear test..another slap

Zoom to 1999- Another nuclear test resulting in SANCTIONS from US...what followed everybody knows..


RUSSIA-- DO we need to stand up to them..we dont..it becomes funny when some canadian asks us to SPEAK UP to them..why dont you guys speak up when you are called another state of US..

Regarding softwares- another canadian joke ..is it..? since today only INFY is awarded 100 mil contract from MICROSOFT..plus try to find about SILICON VALLEY..will meet some indians there..

5. purchasing SOVIET ERA WEAPONS..were you sleeping when T-50 took its first flight this year..??

6. Wasn't an american president shot in public...and you seem to know too much about china and japan..

7. yup we are growing at very slow pace but that slow pace happens to be second fastest in the world...:P

8. another one of your logical comment ..is it..? tells volumes about your aptitude..

how many countries fought with allies in WW-2..all of them are in UNSC..and if WW-2 is criteria then what is JAPAN doing with america , its biggest enemy ( should be) who nuked it...think before you talk..ooh i forgot ..its classic case of 11% greater IQ ..isn't it sire,,?

9. isn't that the topic ..? CHINA and RUSSIA supporting INDIA to get
permanent membership in UNSC..do you even read the topic ,,or higher IQ did the trick again..?

10. IMPORTED MILITARY POWER-- a new term coined by a citizen of only superpower i.e. USA after all CANADA is just another state of US:P

11.THATs why Developing isn't it...if we had 1/6 of wealth, we would be developed..what do you think..??(if you can..rationally.?)


12. and you are giving lectures on economical might of a country..11% higher IQ.??
 
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$32 billions is still a drop in the bucket. Getting back to the topic here. Japan had all the money in the world, a democracy and one of US closest ally. Yet for all that worth it was enver close to getting a UNSC seat.

Simply put, Japan foreign policy has always look like the US because the American basically told Japan what to do internationally.

If India falls in line(like voting against Iran) this will look good in the eyes of the Americans, but it will only reiterate the fact that India doesn't have any choice but to fal in line.

Japan is not a ally like Israel.

whats Ur air-force name??? Air Defense Force US never allow you to produce a Offensive weapon by you, Can you?
 
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3) Economic power? Wait, aren't you guys in debt? Don't you guys have a negative account balance? I recall that you guys have a trading deficit with both Japan and China. So, what does that denote? No one wants ur crap, and your "domestic" economy is developing on loans, with interest, which will only grow in times to come. By the way, relying on domestic economy means no one outside your country want you BSOD critical error softwares. Japan's economy is slowing down because it made too much use of its domestic economy. It had no buffer when the Plaza Accord came. At the time of crisis, China lifted domestic consumption by lowering interest and increasing wages -- something India has been doing for the past decade. What buffer do you guys have? Your 65 years of life expectancy?

4) Oh my god! India is diplomatically powerful? Yes, if dependent was what you meant... When's the last time you guys spoke up to the United States and Russia? I remember China not willing to stop manipulating its currency and being reluctant to sanction Iran and Japan kicking the US off of Okinawa and doesn't give a **** about western protests regarding whale meat. Will the Ruskies come to your aid when China takes Arunachal Pradesh? They'd just neglect you like Vietnam, LOL

5) Oh no! The Russian Federation will collapse the moment India stops purchasing its soviet-era arms. What will the Russians do with all their oil reserves?!

6) Political stability? Wasn't an Indian politician shot in public just a few days ago? It doesn't happen in China or Japan, lol...

7) The last time I checked, you guys still have 1/4 of Japan or China's economy. Mind you that India has 9 times the population of Japan and is growing at a much slower pace than China. I recall that the commies just grew 11.9% from Jan to Apr 2010, with Tokyo reporting their figures later this month.

8) Wasn't India still ruled by Britain years after WWII ended...? So, since India was a part of the British Empire, which was a part of the Allies during WWII, you guys should be permenant members of the UNSC too, right? I follow your logic!

9) Great record with the UN: don't have veto powers to make any difference.

10) "Military power," correction: "Imported military power"

11) "represents 1/6 population of the world" with only 2% of the world's wealth.

12) I cannot comprehend PPP. Doesn't that just mean defects made and sold in India are cheaper?



Couldn't digest your last dinner I guess. :bunny:
 
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If someone said that, then he is mistaken.

India is eligible for becoming the next permanent member because of the following reasons:

- it is an economic power
- it is diplomatically powerful
- it is stable politically
- it has a great record with the UN
- it represents 1/6 population of the world (there is no other regional permanent member. China is there but we are completely different people. Diff culture, diff traditions, diff race, we are separated by Himalyas. :P)
- it is a military power
- it has been involved in peacekeeping missions, humanitarian aid, been helping poor all over the world and contributing its bit in every field.


The combination of all the above makes us eligible. There is not a single hard and fast reason.

Regards.

I will agree with you on every point except your claim that India is "diplomatically" powerful


India have no clout with any of the major issue of day. N korea, Iraq, iran, Afghanistan, Israel/palistine

and in Africa, latin america, central asia- India influence is next to nil

every one of these places is economically dominated by the US or China.

Russia still have a lot of clout in central Asia, but that about it.

EU in theory would be able to trump the US and china but they will never be able to speak in one voice therefor they are marginalized.

I will bring up Iran again, If india was diplomatically powerful India would be at the table russia,china,us,uk,france,germany. I am sorry but Iran is next door to India.
 
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Japan is not a ally like Israel.

whats Ur air-force name??? Air Defense Force US never allow you to produce a Offensive weapon by you, Can you?

Israel dominate US politics and the religious right are hard core supporters of Israel. Japan is not on that level, nor is it on the level as the UK where it will send it troops to war for the US.

But Japan is just as important to the US or even more so then the UK and Israel in American strategic thinking.
 
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INDIA RANKS 11th IN TERMS OF GNP.

Really? but then why India is ........?:D

Despite the economic growth and outsourcing of foreign jobs by western companies to India, majority of the Indian population still wallow in extreme poverty and disease. Behind India’s new-found economic strength are three hundred million poor people that live on less than $1 per day. Government figures may indicate a reduction in poverty. But the truth is, with increasing global food prices, poverty is spreading everywhere like a swarm of locust. Conditions are worst in the rural areas where close to 70% of India’s population resides. Statistics show, that 2.1 million children under 5 years old die of malnutrition yearly.

India is not be rated as the most corrupt country in the world as far as the figures go but corrupt practices exist here in India like any other place in Africa. Public school teachers rarely go for classes but still get paid at the end of the month. The ministry of education in India is struggling to identify thousands of so-called ghost-worker names of teachers that only exist on payroll – yet victory is far-fetched.

Mumbai is beautiful and businesses are flourishing but that is for the privileged few. The poor, who are majority, live in slums. They can only see and fantasize about the beautiful things in the city of Mumbai, but can't benefit. The streets of major cities in India, like the rural areas, are populated by persons who can’t even get the minimum amount of calories that is required for survival due to the low quality of food they eat. To many Indians, basic amenities such as proper sanitation, portable water, and health care are luxuries they can only get in their dreams.

Many young girls have resorted to prostitution as a way to escape from poverty and provide for their families. Increasing number of girls are dropping out of schools to look for jobs. In some extreme cases, parents force their girls out of school themselves. This ugly trend spells doom for India’s economy in the future.

As families cut back at the number, quality and quantity of food they consume per day; meat, a source of protein, is no more an option in the menu of many families. People now opt for less nutritional meals – just to put something in the stomach— which has a bad effect on child’s growth. Meanwhile, it’s estimated that 40% of children in India are suffering from stunted growth.
http://cozay.com/EXTREME-POVERTY-IN-INDIA.php
BTW, when is the last time you have a full stomach?:lol:
 
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Really? but then why India is ........?

Despite the economic growth and outsourcing of foreign jobs by western companies to India, majority of the Indian population still wallow in extreme poverty and disease. Behind India’s new-found economic strength are three hundred million poor people that live on less than $1 per day. Government figures may indicate a reduction in poverty. But the truth is, with increasing global food prices, poverty is spreading everywhere like a swarm of locust. Conditions are worst in the rural areas where close to 70% of India’s population resides. Statistics show, that 2.1 million children under 5 years old die of malnutrition yearly.

India is not be rated as the most corrupt country in the world as far as the figures go but corrupt practices exist here in India like any other place in Africa. Public school teachers rarely go for classes but still get paid at the end of the month. The ministry of education in India is struggling to identify thousands of so-called ghost-worker names of teachers that only exist on payroll – yet victory is far-fetched.

Mumbai is beautiful and businesses are flourishing but that is for the privileged few. The poor, who are majority, live in slums. They can only see and fantasize about the beautiful things in the city of Mumbai, but can't benefit. The streets of major cities in India, like the rural areas, are populated by persons who can’t even get the minimum amount of calories that is required for survival due to the low quality of food they eat. To many Indians, basic amenities such as proper sanitation, portable water, and health care are luxuries they can only get in their dreams.

Many young girls have resorted to prostitution as a way to escape from poverty and provide for their families. Increasing number of girls are dropping out of schools to look for jobs. In some extreme cases, parents force their girls out of school themselves. This ugly trend spells doom for India’s economy in the future.

As families cut back at the number, quality and quantity of food they consume per day; meat, a source of protein, is no more an option in the menu of many families. People now opt for less nutritional meals – just to put something in the stomach— which has a bad effect on child’s growth. Meanwhile, it’s estimated that 40% of children in India are suffering from stunted growth.
Extreme Poverty and Hunger in India
BTW, when is the last time you have a full stomach?Financial Crisis May Worsen Poverty in China, India - Council on Foreign Relations

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FT.com / Comment / Op-Ed Columnists - China can no longer plead poverty
 
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8% CHINESE LIVE BELOW POVERTY LINE.YET YOU LAUGH AT INDIA.
 
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Poverty in China - poorest, most fragile areas are the hardest hit


For the people of rural China, climate change has already become one of the main drivers for poverty and a return to poverty.

According to Climate Change and Poverty: A Case Study of China—a joint initiative of TckTckTck partners Greenpeace and Oxfam—about 95% of those living in absolute poverty in China live in ecologically-fragile zones, and are already climate change's worst victims. If immediate action is not taken, global warming will cripple the country's efforts to alleviate poverty and could seriously hinder its chances of achieving its long-term developmental goals in poverty reduction.

For example, due to local climate warming and decreasing precipitation, droughts in Yongjing County in China's northwest region are becoming increasingly severe. The sustained drought of 2006 directly affected 83,100 people in Yongjing County, equivalent to 41.6% of its total population.

Reduced output due to crop failure resulted in 29,000 people needing emergency grain, 69,300 people had restricted access to drinking water and 34,000 were forced to leave their homes in order to find work or seek refuge with friends or family. Meanwhile, poor villagers in the mountainous regions of the Southwest-Mabian County in Sichuan Province now endure frequent torrential rains, causing localised flooding, mud-debris flows and landslides.

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I was teaching in university for two years and I saw many whose parents and grandparents have lived through the Cultural Revolution and even died, but they do not talk about it. It is taboo. They have no information on politics, democracy. There is nothing in the school curriculum. There is nothing in newspapers. What they know is propaganda, which comes to them through education and party organs. Now, they have been told that Mao was 70 per cent correct and 30 per cent wrong.
 
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BY PALLAVI AIYAR.

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I was teaching in university for two years and I saw many whose parents and grandparents have lived through the Cultural Revolution and even died, but they do not talk about it. It is taboo. They have no information on politics, democracy. There is nothing in the school curriculum. There is nothing in newspapers. What they know is propaganda, which comes to them through education and party organs. Now, they have been told that Mao was 70 per cent correct and 30 per cent wrong.
Y PALLAVI AIYAR

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BY PALLAVI AIYAR

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http://team.univ-paris1.fr/teampers... CER growing inequality and poverty china.pdf
 
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HAVE REALITY CHECK!

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:cheers:Still much to be done in fight against poverty

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40 million struggle with poverty in China

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Despite China's strong and sustained economic growth, poverty is still persistent, especially in remote rural areas. Income inequalities between eastern and western China have broadened, and the income gap between rural and urban residents has widened considerably since the late 1970s. Urban incomes are now more than three times higher than rural incomes. China’s government is taking strong measures to correct this trend by increasing investment in rural areas, especially in infrastructure, irrigation, education and health. The government is putting in place favourable policies in support of the rural population. They include agricultural tax exemptions that became effective in 2007, provision of subsidies for agricultural production and increased agricultural procurement prices, and expansion of social protection and security coverage. The government’s investments aim to create a balanced, prosperous society through economic and social development.
Source: IFAD
 
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China's stunning economic rise is one of the biggest stories of this generation. In just three decades since beginning to embrace market economics, China has left its desperate poverty behind to become the world's top exporting nation. The transformation has occurred so quickly that myths and misperceptions abound about the challenges and opportunities that China poses to America and the rest of the world.

1. China will quickly overtake the United States as the world's most powerful economy.

According to a November poll by the Pew Research Center, 44 percent of Americans believe that China is already the world's top economic power, while 27 percent put the United States in that position. That perception is completely at odds with the facts. This year, China's economy is expected to produce about $5 trillion in goods and services. That would put it ahead of Japan as the world's second-biggest national economy, but it would still be barely one-third the size of the $14 trillion U.S. economy and well behind the European Union, if taken as a whole.

One reason China's economy is so big is simply that it has 1.3 billion people. But China's per capita gross domestic product is only one-seventh the U.S. level. And in household living standards, China lags even further. Each year, an average Chinese household consumes one-fourteenth the value of goods and services purchased by an average American household.

And despite its chronic losses in manufacturing jobs, the United States is still the world leader in that arena because its manufacturers excel at high-value products such as airplanes and high-tech equipment, while China still mainly produces low-cost clothing and consumer electronics. In terms of the value of goods, the United States produces more than 20 percent of global manufacturing, or about double China's share.

2. China's vast holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds mean it can hold Washington hostage in economic negotiations.

China has the biggest holdings of U.S. Treasury bonds of any country -- around $1 trillion. Many people think this means China is "America's banker" and that, like a bank, it can withdraw its line of credit by selling off its Treasuries whenever Washington does something Chinese leaders don't like.

But China's Treasury holdings are not like regular loans that a bank extends to a company. They are more like deposits: safe, liquid and carrying a very low interest rate. Like a depositor, China has little ability to tell its bank how to run its business. It can only vote with its feet, by taking its deposits elsewhere -- but its deposits are so huge, there is no other "bank" in the world that can take them. The European and Japanese bond markets are not big enough to absorb that much Chinese cash, nor can China buy enough oil fields, ore mines or real estate to soak up its money. And it can't simply invest all its dollars at home, because doing so could lead to rampant inflation. So like it or not, Washington and Beijing are stuck with each other -- and neither has the power to hold the other hostage.

3. Letting its currency grow in value is the most important thing China can do to reduce its trade surplus.

Some American companies, unions and politicians complain that by keeping a fixed exchange rate between the yuan and the dollar, China is unfairly making its goods cheaper on the world market, thus driving its trade surplus at the expense of its trading partners. Certainly, the exchange rate is important, but it's a mistake to think that letting the yuan rise in value would magically make China's trade surplus disappear. In the late 1980s, Japan allowed the yen to double in value, but its trade surplus didn't budge. Conversely, in 2009 China kept the value of the yuan fixed against the dollar, and its trade surplus fell by a third.

Secretary Treasury Timothy Geithner was in Beijing on Thursday and discussed the currency issue with Chinese economic officials. Most observers -- including China's top economic policymakers -- agree that the yuan should rise in value. But for that move to offer any benefits, it must be accompanied by other policy shifts. By far the most important thing China can do to reduce its trade surplus is to stimulate domestic demand (including demand for imports), something it has started to do through a massive infrastructure spending program. There's some evidence that Chinese households are also beginning to spend more freely as wages rise and people feel optimistic about the future.

4. China's hunger for resources is sucking the world dry and making major contributions to global warming.

It's true that China is now the biggest producer of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases that contribute to global warming. And it's true that China uses more energy to produce a dollar of its GDP than most other countries, including the United States. But on a per-person basis, China's use of resources is still modest compared with that of rich countries. For instance, despite its rapid increase in car use, China consumes about 8 million barrels of oil a day. The United States consumes about 20 million barrels a day. Put another way, China, with nearly a quarter of the world's population, accounts for less than one-tenth of the world's oil consumption. The United States, with only 5 percent of world population, accounts for nearly a quarter of global oil consumption. Whose appetite is really the bigger problem?

Moreover, unlike the United States, China has recognized that it cannot let its fossil-fuel appetite grow forever and is working hard to improve efficiency. Chinese fuel-economy standards for new cars are higher than America's, for instance, and on average, coal-fired power plants are more efficient in China than in the United States.

5. China's economy has grown mainly through the cruel exploitation of cheap labor.

Every time a developing economy starts growing fast, richer countries accuse it of "cheating" by keeping its wages and exchange rate artificially low. But this isn't cheating; it's a natural stage of development that comes to an end in every country, as it will in China. China has grown in much the same way as other economies we now view as mature and responsible success stories -- including Japan, South Korea and Taiwan. Those nations invested heavily in infrastructure and education, and quickly moved their workers from low-productivity jobs in rural areas to more productive jobs in cities. When rural labor was abundant, wages were low, but they rose rapidly after those surplus workers joined the urban labor force.

China is hitting that spot now: The number of young people of workforce entry age (15 to 24) is projected to fall by one-third over the next 12 years. With young workers more scarce, wages have nowhere to go but up. This is already happening: Last month, Guangdong province (China's main export hub) raised its minimum wage by 20 percent.

China still has plenty of workers moving from the countryside to the cities, but the age of ultra-cheap Chinese labor will soon be gone.

arthur.kroeber@dragonomics.net

Arthur Kroeber is the managing director of GaveKal-Dragonomics, an economic research firm in Beijing.

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