Russia, China support India’s UNSC aspirations

[Tshering22]

The Chinese and American will never fully support India bid for the UNSC. Americans like being the world "police" so anything to dilute their power at the UN will not be welcome. China while right now is not on par with the US in term of hard and soft power, see itself as on par with the US in the not too distant future. China also will not want it power to be diluted.

France and the UK are just the US' lap poodle.

In the today's geopoilitics India have the same clout as Sri Lanka. Seriously, how can India be given veto power if she have next to nil influence even in her backyard.

Is the West consulting with India about Iran? India is literally Iran's next door neighbour.

Even though the economy of India is growing, it still have very little Impact on the world in relative terms. If the Indian economy disapear today, the world wouldn't miss a beat.

Sorry but power is taken not given. France, Russia and UK can support India's bid all they want, in the end India will have to earn it.

The Chinese and American will never fully support India bid for the UNSC. Americans like being the world "police" so anything to dilute their power at the UN will not be welcome. China while right now is not on par with the US in term of hard and soft power, see itself as on par with the US in the not too distant future. China also will not want it power to be diluted.

Oh but then they don't understand our definition of power. We have enough issues already with a billion people rather than wanting to police the world. Our "power" as you call it should be our main base in south Asia. IOR, from Malacca Straits to Horn of Africa, there is only one prominent voice; India's.

We don't want to rule the world as USA and China dream of and we don't care whether they want the world or not they can have it; South Asia remains our power base. That's the only condition we seek for the well being of our people as well as other friends in South and Southeast Asia.

France and the UK are just the US' lap poodle.

UK might be but there're a lot of times when France has had its own independent stand especially with regard to India. Despite being a Western ally, it is the only country that has excellent ties with Russia since pre-Soviet days. Something not seen common in West.

Whether they're US poodles or not, they're permanent members and hold equal say as China and US do and their vote matters as much as Chinese and American vote does.

In the today's geopoilitics India have the same clout as Sri Lanka. Seriously, how can India be given veto power if she have next to nil influence even in her backyard.

We have sufficient clout in countries that are of good potential friendship, relationship and mutual benefit and that is more than enough as we don't like to dig wastelands for imaginary gold mines. Our engagement is increasing and we're earning good friends in South and Far East. If some of our neighbours have problem with us because of their own blind perception, then we cannot help them. It is their loss.

Is the West consulting with India about Iran? India is literally Iran's next door neighbour.

We hold a neutral position towards Iran and though we voted against them, we have sufficient strategic repo with them to make it up. Our policies are not dependent on what the West thinks and instead is independent. The reason why West doesn't ask us is because they know our policy is consistent and may not essentially coincide with theirs; which is quite often the case since West is 2 continents away while we've to take care of what's happening around the neighbourhood.

Even though the economy of India is growing, it still have very little Impact on the world in relative terms. If the Indian economy disapear today, the world wouldn't miss a beat.

You're serious?! LOL! Ask this to Japanese, Chinese, American, German, Russian, British, French, Malay etc governments. They'd give you a different answer. Just because we don't barge on everything like China does, doesn't mean everything is all light and insignificant behind the curtains. We like maintaining a low-key status than evoke world apprehension of a dominating and bossy rise.

Sorry but power is taken not given. France, Russia and UK can support India's bid all they want, in the end India will have to earn it.

And in what way did China earn it? Destroying thousands of political dissidents, censoring off anything that is not conducive to CCP and use brute military strength?

WW2 was not just fought by you but also lakhs of Indians. Our theaters of combat were different that is all. Bottomline, until those who feel needlessly threatened by us in some or the other form are there in power position, they will do their nut to stop us from entering. There's nothing to "earn" here.

Personally, I would prefer a more stronger and assertive India before claiming a place in UNSC but if we get it, all the more better. According to my personal standards, India is not ready as of yet but then again, there are other ways to get around UNSC and some examples India has clearly exhibited in the last 4-5 years.

 

[Tshering22]

I am sure the Chinese would have a problem with anybody co- operating with Taiwan and Tibet.

The Chinese are in Sri Lanka, Bangledesh and so on because they can offer what India can't provide.

What is India going to offer Japan or Taiwan? Nukes? These countries can build nueks if they chose to. Taiwan and Japan economic livelyhood is ever dependent on China.

I don't think India would ever be brass enough to do anything in Tibet. Perhaps the US but India would find itself in huge trouble internally with kashmir, maoist if India stuck it nose in Tibet.

Chinese are already meddling enough in Kashmir and that is not to our liking. They might have hidden powers but we're no sitting ducks here either. We just have another perception of power play.

It is only our current government's incompetency that is making China look like a winner. Otherwise even we know how to play card games well. Having a different perception of power doesn't mean that we cannot alter our plans anytime.

 

[CardSharp]

Chinese are already meddling enough in Kashmir and that is not to our liking. They might have hidden powers but we're no sitting ducks here either. We just have another perception of power play.

I have a feeling that you don't share the same perception. Also don't bother with kamikazi, he's not been on for ages.