Russia blocks RD-93 to Pakistan?
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So far the PAF would appear to be the fighter's sole customer, though several nations have evinced interest. Interestingly, the PLA Air Force (PLAAF) is yet to confirm any orders, though it would appear that it may order larger numbers than the PAF - if it chooses to do so.
The PAF intends to replace its Chengdu F-7P fighters (Chinese version of the MiG-21) that is currently in service with the Thunder. CAC is marketing the aircraft to other third-world countries as a low-cost replacement for Northrop F-5 Tiger, Dassault Mirage III/5, Shenyang J-6, MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed, and Nanchang Q-5.
Reportedly, the JF-17 in PAF service will take the Italian Grifo S-7 fire-control radar onboard, which will provide it with look-down, shoot-down, as well as ground strike capabilities. Alternatively, the Thales RC400, GEC Marconi Blue Hawk, Russian Phazotron Kopyo and the indigenous Chinese KJL-10 could easily come on board as well.
Other avionic systems are likely to include a Head-Up-Display (HUD), GPS/IPS and two Multi-Functional colored Displays. It will also have UOMZ SH-3UMI helmet-mounted sight (the same as used in Russian MiG-29s) and dual digital FBW. The avionic systems also include IRSTS, CLDP and Helmet Mounted Display which will allow it to carry out all-weather operations.
The aircraft has seven weapon stations, including one under the fuselage, four under the wings, and two wingtip mounted, with a payload of up to 3,700kg. The aircraft will have 'beyond-visual-range' (BVR) attack capability with the Chinese PL-12/SD-10 active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile. The aircraft can also carry a special pod allowing day/night delivery of laser-guided weapons.
So far, the FC-1/JF-17 has been powered by the Russian-made Klimov RD-93 turbofan rated engines, but with Russia disallowing export without its permission, the Thunder may go looking for a indigenously developed Chinese power plant.
The PAF intends to replace its Chengdu F-7P fighters (Chinese version of the MiG-21) that is currently in service with the Thunder. CAC is marketing the aircraft to other third-world countries as a low-cost replacement for Northrop F-5 Tiger, Dassault Mirage III/5, Shenyang J-6, MiG-21/F-7 Fishbed, and Nanchang Q-5.
Reportedly, the JF-17 in PAF service will take the Italian Grifo S-7 fire-control radar onboard, which will provide it with look-down, shoot-down, as well as ground strike capabilities. Alternatively, the Thales RC400, GEC Marconi Blue Hawk, Russian Phazotron Kopyo and the indigenous Chinese KJL-10 could easily come on board as well.
Other avionic systems are likely to include a Head-Up-Display (HUD), GPS/IPS and two Multi-Functional colored Displays. It will also have UOMZ SH-3UMI helmet-mounted sight (the same as used in Russian MiG-29s) and dual digital FBW. The avionic systems also include IRSTS, CLDP and Helmet Mounted Display which will allow it to carry out all-weather operations.
The aircraft has seven weapon stations, including one under the fuselage, four under the wings, and two wingtip mounted, with a payload of up to 3,700kg. The aircraft will have 'beyond-visual-range' (BVR) attack capability with the Chinese PL-12/SD-10 active radar-homing medium-range air-to-air missile. The aircraft can also carry a special pod allowing day/night delivery of laser-guided weapons.
So far, the FC-1/JF-17 has been powered by the Russian-made Klimov RD-93 turbofan rated engines, but with Russia disallowing export without its permission, the Thunder may go looking for a indigenously developed Chinese power plant.
In comparison to Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30, Chinese claim that its indigenously developed ground maintenance equipment of JF-17 offers significant advantages to the current Russian one on the market, and the PLAAF has already begun to replace Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 for the following reasons:
Like its western counterparts, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is not limited to serve a single type of aircraft, instead, it is designed to service a wide range of aircraft, including both civilian and military. In comparison, most Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 are purposely built and can only serve the aircraft in the Flanker family.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment utilizes solid state electronics, and has better reliability.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment is based on the commercial off-the-shelf products that greatly reduced the logistic problems due to its commonality with similar commercial equipment available while meeting the military standards at the same time.
Due to the adoptation of the commercial off-the-shelf products, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is cheaper to purchase, and more importantly, cheaper to operate than the specially design Russian ones, which have unit price from at least half a million to more than a million United States dollars.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment adopts the multi-tasks workstation priniciple of similar American systems, and thus much fewer equipment is needed like the American systems. In comparison, most Russian ground maintenance equipment offered for export for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 is single tasked, thus forcing the buyers to spend more money on puchasing every type in order to meet the complete maintenance requirements.
Due to its similar design that follows western systems, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is compact and can be deployed by air like its western counterparts. In contrast, the Russian ground maintenance equipment for Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 is bulky and can only be transported on land since it can not fit inside cargo airplanes.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment is versatile like similar western systems in that it can either be truck mounted to increase mobility, or trailer mounted to reduce cost. In contrast, the current Russian ground maintenance equipment on the market for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 only comes in truck mounted form (as of 2006).
In stead of being built by a single production complex associated with the aircraft manufacturer like the ground maintenance equipment of the Flanker family, the complete set of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is developed by different manufacturers of the similar equipment used for commercial airplanes, so that buyers would have wider choice of suppliers, and would not have pay higher prices because they would not to be locked into the deal forced up on them by the aircraft manufacturer. The purchasers of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment therefore are open to purchase western components should they choose to, when there are better deals to be found.
More importantly, since most of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is for civilian use, there is far less likelihood of being embargoed like the Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30, which is purely for military use.
The civilian usage of the the multi-tasked Chinese ground maintenance equipment also means that the equipment can be better utilized for civilian aircraft and thus reducing the cost of operation like similar western systems. In contrast, not only is the Russian counterpart limited to military aircraft, it is also only limited to a single family of military aircraft because many of the single tasked Russian ground maintenance equipment purposely built for Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 can only be used for Flankers.
Like similar western systems of modular design, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment also has the option of modular design so that when newer subsystems become available, they can be readily incorporated into the system by replacing the older ones on the racks.
The ability to undertake short take-offs and landings is also incorporated in the aircraft.
Not to mention the most visible change, the DSI (divergent supersonic intake).
The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service will only incorporate Chinese avionics and weapon systems. Subsequent upgrades will be made on PAF JF-17s every five years, planned additions include infra-red search & track (IRST), in-flight refueling (IFR) and possibly engine change from the Russian RD-93 to Chinese WS-13. [1], [2]
Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining 100-150 may be equipped with European avionics and radars. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and ECM/EW systems for JF-17. In fact, one of the radar options for JF-17 is the Italian Grifo S7 [3].
[edit] Weaponry
All weapon systems are designed to be compatible with both Western systems (ie. supporting MIL-STD-1760 data bus), Russian and Chinese systems as well.
[edit] Air-to-air weaponry
The JF-17 is primarily an export-oriented fighter, thus can be built according a customer's specifications and use a variety of Chinese, Western, South African & Russian munitions.
These include air-to-air Beyond Visual Range missiles (BVRs).
There is Great chance China will develop its own engine a better one than the Russian i hope..
Like its western counterparts, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is not limited to serve a single type of aircraft, instead, it is designed to service a wide range of aircraft, including both civilian and military. In comparison, most Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 are purposely built and can only serve the aircraft in the Flanker family.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment utilizes solid state electronics, and has better reliability.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment is based on the commercial off-the-shelf products that greatly reduced the logistic problems due to its commonality with similar commercial equipment available while meeting the military standards at the same time.
Due to the adoptation of the commercial off-the-shelf products, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is cheaper to purchase, and more importantly, cheaper to operate than the specially design Russian ones, which have unit price from at least half a million to more than a million United States dollars.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment adopts the multi-tasks workstation priniciple of similar American systems, and thus much fewer equipment is needed like the American systems. In comparison, most Russian ground maintenance equipment offered for export for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 is single tasked, thus forcing the buyers to spend more money on puchasing every type in order to meet the complete maintenance requirements.
Due to its similar design that follows western systems, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is compact and can be deployed by air like its western counterparts. In contrast, the Russian ground maintenance equipment for Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 is bulky and can only be transported on land since it can not fit inside cargo airplanes.
The Chinese ground maintenance equipment is versatile like similar western systems in that it can either be truck mounted to increase mobility, or trailer mounted to reduce cost. In contrast, the current Russian ground maintenance equipment on the market for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 only comes in truck mounted form (as of 2006).
In stead of being built by a single production complex associated with the aircraft manufacturer like the ground maintenance equipment of the Flanker family, the complete set of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is developed by different manufacturers of the similar equipment used for commercial airplanes, so that buyers would have wider choice of suppliers, and would not have pay higher prices because they would not to be locked into the deal forced up on them by the aircraft manufacturer. The purchasers of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment therefore are open to purchase western components should they choose to, when there are better deals to be found.
More importantly, since most of the Chinese ground maintenance equipment is for civilian use, there is far less likelihood of being embargoed like the Russian ground maintenance equipment for the Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30, which is purely for military use.
The civilian usage of the the multi-tasked Chinese ground maintenance equipment also means that the equipment can be better utilized for civilian aircraft and thus reducing the cost of operation like similar western systems. In contrast, not only is the Russian counterpart limited to military aircraft, it is also only limited to a single family of military aircraft because many of the single tasked Russian ground maintenance equipment purposely built for Flanker family such as the Sukhoi Su-30 can only be used for Flankers.
Like similar western systems of modular design, the Chinese ground maintenance equipment also has the option of modular design so that when newer subsystems become available, they can be readily incorporated into the system by replacing the older ones on the racks.
The ability to undertake short take-offs and landings is also incorporated in the aircraft.
Not to mention the most visible change, the DSI (divergent supersonic intake).
The first 50 JF-17s entering Pakistan Air Force (PAF) service will only incorporate Chinese avionics and weapon systems. Subsequent upgrades will be made on PAF JF-17s every five years, planned additions include infra-red search & track (IRST), in-flight refueling (IFR) and possibly engine change from the Russian RD-93 to Chinese WS-13. [1], [2]
Beyond the initial 50 PAF JF-17s, the remaining 100-150 may be equipped with European avionics and radars. Pakistan had begun negotiations with British and Italian defence firms over potential avionics and ECM/EW systems for JF-17. In fact, one of the radar options for JF-17 is the Italian Grifo S7 [3].
[edit] Weaponry
All weapon systems are designed to be compatible with both Western systems (ie. supporting MIL-STD-1760 data bus), Russian and Chinese systems as well.
[edit] Air-to-air weaponry
The JF-17 is primarily an export-oriented fighter, thus can be built according a customer's specifications and use a variety of Chinese, Western, South African & Russian munitions.
These include air-to-air Beyond Visual Range missiles (BVRs).
There is Great chance China will develop its own engine a better one than the Russian i hope..
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looks like wikipedia
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well thats an outdated information.the Grifo S-7 lacks multi targeting. according to chinese sources, a chinese radar will be used. it is a probably a variant of radar used on J-10(KLJ-10). It has met PAF's requirements and therefore has been chosen for initial batch.
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You have forgotten that Selex have a AESA upgrade for the Grifo S-7 2000.(the version to be installed It is a L band radar which allows BVR. and it is used in a lot of MLU f-16's in Europe. The range according to a few sources is 68nm or 108km (search mode)
sorry it is wikipedia ...can someone tell me the exact speed at high altitude of both jf17 and lca because wikipedia is showing them as a almost same although i heard lca is supersonic
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Grifo S-7 can be upgraded to AESA?
I think you are talking about Vixen 500E which is offered for Golden eagle of south korea. pakistan didn't show any intrest in it yet
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there is no information availible on Vixen's range
Key Parameters:
Track while scan: > 10 Targets
SAR Resolution: < 3m
Track Formation Range: > 25nm
Look Up Detection Range: > 35nm
Frequency: X band
Scan Coverage: > approx 60 degree
Scan Velocity: Instant Beam Switching
BTBcF: > 1.000 hrs
http://www.selex-sas.com/datasheets/Vixen500E.pdf
The Vixen 500E is a based on Blue Vixen used in the Harrier (range between 130-148km), one can assume that Vixenn 500E will have enhanced capabilities.
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