Rolls-Royce Offers Engine for Turkish-Made Fighter Jet

[mike2000 is back]

@mike2000 is back

Mike , but MTU and Renk combination is better. But you are same consortium.

True that.

 

[war&peace]

Aircraft turbine/turboengine is one of the most significant technology to master before any country can fully claim the total independence in aircraft development from ground up. A Pak-China-Turkey joint venture can speed things up and benefit all the stakeholders much faster than effort by each nation individually.

 

[LegionnairE]

well i dont think it would be too hard to make the wings fixed, which in turn remove the folding wing mechanism and also the landing gears will not need to be reinforced. so this reduction in weight will make the f35c more efficient in term of fuel efficiency and speed among others factors too. a drag chute is for Norwegian and the Canadian f35s only.

Yeah, I don't know I could keep the reinforced landing gear It'd allow landing with a more steep angle.

F-22's production is halted but line is not closed. There are some rumors about a F-22C variant that will include technological gains of the JSF program. All F-22's will be upgraded to that variant and some additional aircraft may be produced.

possible but unlikely. Second gulf war has left USA with a huge amount of debt. Even NASA budget has gone down the toilet, they had to retire their shuttles early and delay the launch of the James Webb telescope... in the next decade or so we'll see USA cutting down budgets across all branches.

an updated F22 with F35 technologies sure sounds sweet though!

Yeah but when it comes to altitude and agility it doesnt come close to F-22, still F-35 are a huge step forward compared to F-16.

it's not a big deal if you can buy two F35s for the price of a single F22...

is F22 really agile enough to take down two F35s in a dogfight? I don't think so

 

[Blue Marlin]

Yeah, I don't know I could keep the reinforced landing gear It'd allow landing with a more steep angle.

possible but unlikely. Second gulf war has left USA with a huge amount of debt. Even NASA budget has gone down the toilet, they had to retire their shuttles early and delay the launch of the James Webb telescope... in the next decade or so we'll see USA cutting down budgets across all branches.

an updated F22 with F35 technologies sure sounds sweet though!

it's not a big deal if you can buy two F35s for the price of a single F22...

is F22 really agile enough to take down two F35s in a dogfight? I don't think so

but why? are your runaways near mountains or are they short. save weight to make a better plane.

 

[LegionnairE]

but why? are your runaways near mountains or are they short. save weight to make a better plane.

that'd be the approach taken by %99 but the thing is, we don't have a terrible amount of strategic depth or distance from the threats and AFBs will be a priority target for anybody with half a brain. It's just how it goes.

If you fought against Iran you'd target MRBM launch sites, if you fought against Turkey you'd target AFBs. And whether we fight against Greece or Israel or Russia there will be hundreds of cruise missiles coming our way. You may never know where you may have to land or even take off from.

US Hummvees are a good example of this way of thinking. It may be one in a million chance that they get hit by nuclear weapons or EMPs but they are still produced without any electronical components in their engines. They are deliberately made low tech so even if such a blast happens they won't lose mobility... well, they'll lose mobility but it'll be much easier to get back in action

 

[mike2000 is back]

TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine

Thursday, 10 December 2015

Deal between TAI, Honeywell and Rolls-Royce will establish local assembly, parts manufacturing, inspection, and test and depot repair capability in Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey, Dec. 10, 2015 – Turkish Aerospace Industries and the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, a 50-50 partnership between Honeywell International Inc. (NYSE: HON) and Rolls-Royce, have signed an agreement to supply CTS800 turboshaft engines for the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter, a program of the Undersecretary for Defense Industry since September 2013.

The agreement, which confirms a memorandum of understanding signed at this year’s Paris Air Show, consists of a five-year development program to integrate and certify the CTS800-4AT engine model on the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter (TLUH) platform. The agreement is expected to result in a production program that will provide helicopters to the local Turkish military and civil market, as well as globally. With the CTS800, operators will benefit from a proven commercial and military propulsion system that expands mission range and payload.

The CTS800 engine already powers Turkey's ATAK helicopter, on show here at Paris.

In addition to the development program, Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC) plans to industrialize production and maintenance of the engine in Turkey, boosting the Turkish aerospace market by providing local opportunities for manufacturing and depot repair.

“This deal will deliver a wealth of employment and industrial benefits to the Turkish aerospace industry,” said Daryl Mastin, president, LHTEC. “LHTEC is committed to working with local Turkish companies to manufacture the CTS800 engine as well as establish a local depot with maintenance and repair capabilities to support these future fleets.”


Engines: Two CTS800-4N turboshaft engines developed by Rolls-Royce and Honeywell Power: 1,800 bhp each. Crew: Two Passengers: Up to seven

In addition to the positive impact on the local workforce, the development program also delivers technical and commercial advantages. For delivery in 2020, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) will design a 5-ton, twin-engine utility helicopter equipped with the CTS800, the same engine model that powers the T129 ATAK helicopters currently in use by the Turkish Land Forces.

With almost a quarter of the Turkish gross domestic product stemming from its manufacturing sector, the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter program brings significant potential for domestic Turkish suppliers to provide manufacturing and support for both the production program and engine development. By working directly with local vendors, the CTS800 global support network will help create further job opportunities that match local skills with domestic work demand.

“For TAI’s new locally developed helicopter, the LHTEC CTS800 engine is a clear choice thanks to its proven capabilities in the most challenging environments,” Mastin said. “The synergy between the ATAK and TLUH fleets will allow greater efficiency in logistics, maintenance and familiarity for engineers, with a streamlined support network compared with other engines on the market.”

Notes to Editor

1. The CTS800 family of engines ranges from 1,360 to 1,700 shp with the CTS800-4N equipped with a full-authority digital engine control (FADEC) that reduces pilot workload and facilitates the engine’s on-condition maintenance program. Low engine removal rates, excellent “hot and high” performance, and durable maritime capabilities with reduced fuel flows all characterize the CTS800.
2. Growth versions of the T800/CTS800 engine include a 1,680 shp class version being offered for emerging civil and military applications.
3. Rolls-Royce’s vision is to create better power for a changing world via two main business segments: Aerospace and Land & Sea. These business divisions address markets with two strong technology platforms: gas turbines and reciprocating engines. Aerospace comprises Civil Aerospace and Defense Aerospace. Land & Sea comprises Marine, Nuclear and Power Systems. For more information, visit www.rolls-royce.com.
4. Honeywell Aerospace products and services are found on virtually every commercial, defense and space aircraft, and its turbochargers are used by nearly every automaker and truck manufacturer around the world. The Aerospace business unit develops innovative solutions for more fuel-efficient automobiles and airplanes, more direct and on-time flights, safer flying and runway traffic, along with aircraft engines, cockpit and cabin electronics, wireless connectivity services, logistics, and more. The business delivers safer, faster, and more efficient and comfortable transportation-related experiences worldwide. For more information, visitwww.honeywell.com or follow us at @Honeywell_Aero and @Honeywell_Turbo.
5. The CTS800 powers a number of aircraft, including the AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300, Lynx Mk9a, AW159 Wildcat, T129 Turkish ATAK, ShinMaywa US-2 and the Sikorksy X2 technology demonstrator rotorcraft. The modular engine has established its maintainability and supportability in the field in austere conditions.

Overview of CTS800

• CTS800 power range: 1,300 - 1,700shp
• First engine delivery (CTS800-4) September 2001
• CTS800-4N certification completed in November 2003
• CTS800-powered Super Lynx in service throughout the world

Rolls-Royce and Honeywell joined to form the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), developing the CTS800 through this 50:50 partnership. Having proven its class-leading performance and reliability during the development phase of the RAH-66 Comanche program, the CTS800 family has since secured a number of production applications. The CTS800 gives operators options by providing exceptionally low fuel burn in a small, lightweight, high power package.

The CTS800 powers a large variety of aircraft applications, including flight test evaluations in the AgustaWestland A129 Mangusta, Bell UH-1H Huey, Eurocopter AS.365 Dauphin, AS.565 Panter and HAL Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter, Vought HH-65.The engine was selected as the boundary layer compressor drive for the ShinMaywa US-2 amphibious search and rescue aircraft.

The CTS800 powers the next generation of AgustaWestland Super Lynx aircraft, having first flown in the Lynx in 1991. The Super Lynx is now in service with militaries worldwide, with the engine also being offered as an upgrade for existing Lynx fleets. Due to the success of the Super Lynx the CTS800 was selected to power the AgustaWestland Future Lynx, now known as the Wildcat.


TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine – Rolls-Royce

@xenon54 , @LegionnairE , @Hurshid Celebi. @Blue Marlin , @Exocet et al.
Turkey is a good partner/ally to Great Britain, expect more cooperation with each passing year.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine

Thursday, 10 December 2015

Deal between TAI, Honeywell and Rolls-Royce will establish local assembly, parts manufacturing, inspection, and test and depot repair capability in Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey, Dec. 10, 2015 – Turkish Aerospace Industries and the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, a 50-50 partnership between Honeywell International Inc. (NYSE: HON) and Rolls-Royce, have signed an agreement to supply CTS800 turboshaft engines for the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter, a program of the Undersecretary for Defense Industry since September 2013.

The agreement, which confirms a memorandum of understanding signed at this year’s Paris Air Show, consists of a five-year development program to integrate and certify the CTS800-4AT engine model on the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter (TLUH) platform. The agreement is expected to result in a production program that will provide helicopters to the local Turkish military and civil market, as well as globally. With the CTS800, operators will benefit from a proven commercial and military propulsion system that expands mission range and payload.

The CTS800 engine already powers Turkey's ATAK helicopter, on show here at Paris.

In addition to the development program, Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC) plans to industrialize production and maintenance of the engine in Turkey, boosting the Turkish aerospace market by providing local opportunities for manufacturing and depot repair.

“This deal will deliver a wealth of employment and industrial benefits to the Turkish aerospace industry,” said Daryl Mastin, president, LHTEC. “LHTEC is committed to working with local Turkish companies to manufacture the CTS800 engine as well as establish a local depot with maintenance and repair capabilities to support these future fleets.”


Engines: Two CTS800-4N turboshaft engines developed by Rolls-Royce and Honeywell Power: 1,800 bhp each. Crew: Two Passengers: Up to seven

In addition to the positive impact on the local workforce, the development program also delivers technical and commercial advantages. For delivery in 2020, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) will design a 5-ton, twin-engine utility helicopter equipped with the CTS800, the same engine model that powers the T129 ATAK helicopters currently in use by the Turkish Land Forces.

With almost a quarter of the Turkish gross domestic product stemming from its manufacturing sector, the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter program brings significant potential for domestic Turkish suppliers to provide manufacturing and support for both the production program and engine development. By working directly with local vendors, the CTS800 global support network will help create further job opportunities that match local skills with domestic work demand.

“For TAI’s new locally developed helicopter, the LHTEC CTS800 engine is a clear choice thanks to its proven capabilities in the most challenging environments,” Mastin said. “The synergy between the ATAK and TLUH fleets will allow greater efficiency in logistics, maintenance and familiarity for engineers, with a streamlined support network compared with other engines on the market.”

Notes to Editor

1. The CTS800 family of engines ranges from 1,360 to 1,700 shp with the CTS800-4N equipped with a full-authority digital engine control (FADEC) that reduces pilot workload and facilitates the engine’s on-condition maintenance program. Low engine removal rates, excellent “hot and high” performance, and durable maritime capabilities with reduced fuel flows all characterize the CTS800.
2. Growth versions of the T800/CTS800 engine include a 1,680 shp class version being offered for emerging civil and military applications.
3. Rolls-Royce’s vision is to create better power for a changing world via two main business segments: Aerospace and Land & Sea. These business divisions address markets with two strong technology platforms: gas turbines and reciprocating engines. Aerospace comprises Civil Aerospace and Defense Aerospace. Land & Sea comprises Marine, Nuclear and Power Systems. For more information, visit www.rolls-royce.com.
4. Honeywell Aerospace products and services are found on virtually every commercial, defense and space aircraft, and its turbochargers are used by nearly every automaker and truck manufacturer around the world. The Aerospace business unit develops innovative solutions for more fuel-efficient automobiles and airplanes, more direct and on-time flights, safer flying and runway traffic, along with aircraft engines, cockpit and cabin electronics, wireless connectivity services, logistics, and more. The business delivers safer, faster, and more efficient and comfortable transportation-related experiences worldwide. For more information, visitwww.honeywell.com or follow us at @Honeywell_Aero and @Honeywell_Turbo.
5. The CTS800 powers a number of aircraft, including the AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300, Lynx Mk9a, AW159 Wildcat, T129 Turkish ATAK, ShinMaywa US-2 and the Sikorksy X2 technology demonstrator rotorcraft. The modular engine has established its maintainability and supportability in the field in austere conditions.

Overview of CTS800

• CTS800 power range: 1,300 - 1,700shp
• First engine delivery (CTS800-4) September 2001
• CTS800-4N certification completed in November 2003
• CTS800-powered Super Lynx in service throughout the world

Rolls-Royce and Honeywell joined to form the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), developing the CTS800 through this 50:50 partnership. Having proven its class-leading performance and reliability during the development phase of the RAH-66 Comanche program, the CTS800 family has since secured a number of production applications. The CTS800 gives operators options by providing exceptionally low fuel burn in a small, lightweight, high power package.

The CTS800 powers a large variety of aircraft applications, including flight test evaluations in the AgustaWestland A129 Mangusta, Bell UH-1H Huey, Eurocopter AS.365 Dauphin, AS.565 Panter and HAL Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter, Vought HH-65.The engine was selected as the boundary layer compressor drive for the ShinMaywa US-2 amphibious search and rescue aircraft.

The CTS800 powers the next generation of AgustaWestland Super Lynx aircraft, having first flown in the Lynx in 1991. The Super Lynx is now in service with militaries worldwide, with the engine also being offered as an upgrade for existing Lynx fleets. Due to the success of the Super Lynx the CTS800 was selected to power the AgustaWestland Future Lynx, now known as the Wildcat.


TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine – Rolls-Royce

@xenon54 , @LegionnairE , @Hurshid Celebi. @Blue Marlin , @Exocet et al.
Turkey is a good partner/ally to Great Britain, expect more cooperation with each passing year.

seems double post Mike

KAI joins turkish light helicopter contest | Page 3

 

[LegionnairE]

TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine

Thursday, 10 December 2015

Deal between TAI, Honeywell and Rolls-Royce will establish local assembly, parts manufacturing, inspection, and test and depot repair capability in Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey, Dec. 10, 2015 – Turkish Aerospace Industries and the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company, a 50-50 partnership between Honeywell International Inc. (NYSE: HON) and Rolls-Royce, have signed an agreement to supply CTS800 turboshaft engines for the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter, a program of the Undersecretary for Defense Industry since September 2013.

The agreement, which confirms a memorandum of understanding signed at this year’s Paris Air Show, consists of a five-year development program to integrate and certify the CTS800-4AT engine model on the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter (TLUH) platform. The agreement is expected to result in a production program that will provide helicopters to the local Turkish military and civil market, as well as globally. With the CTS800, operators will benefit from a proven commercial and military propulsion system that expands mission range and payload.

The CTS800 engine already powers Turkey's ATAK helicopter, on show here at Paris.

In addition to the development program, Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC) plans to industrialize production and maintenance of the engine in Turkey, boosting the Turkish aerospace market by providing local opportunities for manufacturing and depot repair.

“This deal will deliver a wealth of employment and industrial benefits to the Turkish aerospace industry,” said Daryl Mastin, president, LHTEC. “LHTEC is committed to working with local Turkish companies to manufacture the CTS800 engine as well as establish a local depot with maintenance and repair capabilities to support these future fleets.”


Engines: Two CTS800-4N turboshaft engines developed by Rolls-Royce and Honeywell Power: 1,800 bhp each. Crew: Two Passengers: Up to seven

In addition to the positive impact on the local workforce, the development program also delivers technical and commercial advantages. For delivery in 2020, Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) will design a 5-ton, twin-engine utility helicopter equipped with the CTS800, the same engine model that powers the T129 ATAK helicopters currently in use by the Turkish Land Forces.

With almost a quarter of the Turkish gross domestic product stemming from its manufacturing sector, the Turkish Light Utility Helicopter program brings significant potential for domestic Turkish suppliers to provide manufacturing and support for both the production program and engine development. By working directly with local vendors, the CTS800 global support network will help create further job opportunities that match local skills with domestic work demand.

“For TAI’s new locally developed helicopter, the LHTEC CTS800 engine is a clear choice thanks to its proven capabilities in the most challenging environments,” Mastin said. “The synergy between the ATAK and TLUH fleets will allow greater efficiency in logistics, maintenance and familiarity for engineers, with a streamlined support network compared with other engines on the market.”

Notes to Editor

1. The CTS800 family of engines ranges from 1,360 to 1,700 shp with the CTS800-4N equipped with a full-authority digital engine control (FADEC) that reduces pilot workload and facilitates the engine’s on-condition maintenance program. Low engine removal rates, excellent “hot and high” performance, and durable maritime capabilities with reduced fuel flows all characterize the CTS800.
2. Growth versions of the T800/CTS800 engine include a 1,680 shp class version being offered for emerging civil and military applications.
3. Rolls-Royce’s vision is to create better power for a changing world via two main business segments: Aerospace and Land & Sea. These business divisions address markets with two strong technology platforms: gas turbines and reciprocating engines. Aerospace comprises Civil Aerospace and Defense Aerospace. Land & Sea comprises Marine, Nuclear and Power Systems. For more information, visit www.rolls-royce.com.
4. Honeywell Aerospace products and services are found on virtually every commercial, defense and space aircraft, and its turbochargers are used by nearly every automaker and truck manufacturer around the world. The Aerospace business unit develops innovative solutions for more fuel-efficient automobiles and airplanes, more direct and on-time flights, safer flying and runway traffic, along with aircraft engines, cockpit and cabin electronics, wireless connectivity services, logistics, and more. The business delivers safer, faster, and more efficient and comfortable transportation-related experiences worldwide. For more information, visitwww.honeywell.com or follow us at @Honeywell_Aero and @Honeywell_Turbo.
5. The CTS800 powers a number of aircraft, including the AgustaWestland Super Lynx 300, Lynx Mk9a, AW159 Wildcat, T129 Turkish ATAK, ShinMaywa US-2 and the Sikorksy X2 technology demonstrator rotorcraft. The modular engine has established its maintainability and supportability in the field in austere conditions.

Overview of CTS800

• CTS800 power range: 1,300 - 1,700shp
• First engine delivery (CTS800-4) September 2001
• CTS800-4N certification completed in November 2003
• CTS800-powered Super Lynx in service throughout the world

Rolls-Royce and Honeywell joined to form the Light Helicopter Turbine Engine Company (LHTEC), developing the CTS800 through this 50:50 partnership. Having proven its class-leading performance and reliability during the development phase of the RAH-66 Comanche program, the CTS800 family has since secured a number of production applications. The CTS800 gives operators options by providing exceptionally low fuel burn in a small, lightweight, high power package.

The CTS800 powers a large variety of aircraft applications, including flight test evaluations in the AgustaWestland A129 Mangusta, Bell UH-1H Huey, Eurocopter AS.365 Dauphin, AS.565 Panter and HAL Dhruv Advanced Light Helicopter, Vought HH-65.The engine was selected as the boundary layer compressor drive for the ShinMaywa US-2 amphibious search and rescue aircraft.

The CTS800 powers the next generation of AgustaWestland Super Lynx aircraft, having first flown in the Lynx in 1991. The Super Lynx is now in service with militaries worldwide, with the engine also being offered as an upgrade for existing Lynx fleets. Due to the success of the Super Lynx the CTS800 was selected to power the AgustaWestland Future Lynx, now known as the Wildcat.


TAI and LHTEC sign contract for CTS800 engine – Rolls-Royce

@xenon54 , @LegionnairE , @Hurshid Celebi. @Blue Marlin , @Exocet et al.
Turkey is a good partner/ally to Great Britain, expect more cooperation with each passing year.

I supported this from the day one... it is the small diameter EJ200s I have a problem with

 

[Hyperion]

And what happens when someone in Washington presses the kill-switch? Things are never what they seem. Always better to develop your own stuff, or at least try and fail, over and over till it's done.

with Cudas , F-35s will be able to carry more BVR missiles than any other fighter.

 

[LegionnairE]

And what happens when someone in Washington presses the kill-switch? Things are never what they seem. Always better to develop your own stuff, or at least try and fail, over and over till it's done.

Did I tell you that we've got source codes for F16 and we've developed national software for them?
Eventually that's going to happen with F35 too...

Besides, you can't even find it on a radar how are you supposed to activate any kill switches even if there were any?
No software virus is going to help you if you can't make a hardware connection.

 

[Hyperion]

Basically you have no idea about kill switches in such a case.

Did I tell you that we've got source codes for F16 and we've developed national software for them?
Eventually that's going to happen with F35 too...

Besides, you can't even find it on a radar how are you supposed to activate any kill switches even if there were any?
No software virus is going to help you if you can't make a hardware connection.

 

[mike2000 is back]

And what happens when someone in Washington presses the kill-switch? Things are never what they seem. Always better to develop your own stuff, or at least try and fail, over and over till it's done.

Will be good if Pakistan(as Turkey's so called 'best Friend'.lol) can help/provide Turkey with its high tech fighter jets/engines and other military equipment etc. I am sure Turkey will be impressed by them.

 

[Hyperion]

Mate, even if Gabriel was standing next to the Turks and telling them to choose the United Kingdom over Pakistan, once red lines were drawn, trust you me, the Turks would choose Pakistan over ANY other country a trillion times over, and vice versa for Pakistan when the question become between Turkey and anyone else. I know my blood more than you'd ever know. I know your kind, the 'British' kind very well too, you'd sell your soul to the dog if the your master across the ocean asked you to. Kapish?

Have a vote here on the forum and ask the Turkish members this question.

Will be good if Pakistan(as Turkey's so called 'best Friend'.lol) can help/provide Turkey with its high tech fighter jets/engines and other military equipment etc. I am sure Turkey will be impressed by them.

 

[Hurshid Celebi]

Did I tell you that we've got source codes for F16 and we've developed national software for them?
Eventually that's going to happen with F35 too...

Besides, you can't even find it on a radar how are you supposed to activate any kill switches even if there were any?
No software virus is going to help you if you can't make a hardware connection.

I am not sure, but there are RISC processors with embedded software that can contain trojans

"A digital signal controller (DSC) is a hybrid of microcontrollers and digital signal processors (DSPs). Like microcontrollers, DSCs have fast interrupt responses, offer control-oriented peripherals like PWMs and watchdog timers, and are usually programmed using the C programming language, although they can be programmed using the device's native assembly language. On the DSP side, they incorporate features found on most DSPs such as single-cycle multiply–accumulate (MAC) units, barrel shifters, and large accumulators. Not all vendors have adopted the term DSC. The term was first introduced by Microchip Technology in 2002 with the launch of their 6000 series DSCs and subsequently adopted by most, but not all DSC vendors. For example, Infineon and Renesas refer to their DSCs as microcontrollers.)

DSCs are used in a wide range of applications, but the majority go into motor control, power conversion, and sensor processing applications. Currently DSCs are being marketed as green technologies for their potential to reduce power consumption in electric motors and power supplies.

In order of market share, the top three DSC vendors are Texas Instruments, Freescale, and Microchip Technology, according to market research firm Forward Concepts (2007). These three companies dominate the DSC market, with other vendors such as Infineon and Renesas taking a smaller slice of the pie.
DSCs, like microcontrollers and DSPs, require software support. There are a growing number of software packages that offer the features required by both DSP applications and microcontroller applications. With a broader set of requirements, software solutions are more rare. They require: development tools, DSP libraries, optimization for DSP processing, fast interrupt handling, multi-threading and a tiny footprint."

 

[mike2000 is back]

Mate, even if Gabriel was standing next to the Turks and telling them to choose the United Kingdom over Pakistan, once red lines were drawn, trust you me, the Turks would choose Pakistan over ANY other country a trillion times over, and vice versa for Pakistan when the question become between Turkey and anyone else. I know my blood more than you'd ever know. I know your kind, the 'British' kind very well too, you'd sell your soul to the dog if the your master across the ocean asked you to. Kapish?

Have a vote here on the forum and ask the Turkish members this question.

LOL LMAO. What are you even on about??

Since when does a country's foreign policy is determined by PDF members or even a country's public??lol Iam sure you will agree with me that if that was the case then the U.S/U.K/France wont be strong allies with KSA or with any Muslim countries for that matter. Since there are many people there who also despise the U.S/U.K/France, and yet we are still strong allies and we sell them a lot of weapons that we don't even sell to other non Muslim countries. lool
In short, public opinion has nothing to do with how a country goes about its foreign interests and forge its alliances, its the leaders who decide depending on their country's situation/interests/conditions. So you are wrong, since if Turkey was attacked by Russia today(just assuming though, since we know that wont happen) who do you think will be providing Turkey with all the necessary help to fight against Russia?? Definitely not Pakistan, since Pakistan seems to be in good terms with Russia these days and wouldn't want to/cant even afford/has the capabilities to fight a big power far away.lol So your point about Turkish people/members Choosing Pakistan over Great Britain(not like we even care. lol) is useless in this context.

NATIONAL INTERESTS TRUMPS EVERYTHING ELSE IN GEO POLITICS. PERSONAL FEELINGS.SENTIMENTS COMES LAST. Thought you knew that already.lol

As for U.K/U.S and other western countries relationship, all of us have common security interests for now. So we will keep cooperating on matter we have common interests in, while we will also go ahead with other things which suits our interests even when they don't match with that of our western partners. At the end of the day our Interest always comes first. Just like we were the first major western country to join the AIIB(which opened the flood gates for others to follow), to opening up for investment from any country irrespective of their rivalry with our other western powers etc etc. Our interest comes first.
So i will suggest you focus on your country Pakistan, since you have more than enough on your plate with India eyeing your small barren land for decades now, and homegrown terrorist groups wreaking havoc across your country. lool