Rolls-Royce Offers Engine for Turkish-Made Fighter Jet

[Azeri440]

Yeah sure but we dont need air superiority to be the backbone of our airforce, just 1-2 squadrons against treats such as Russia wouldnt be a bad idea i think.

With F-35s coming, I don't think there is even a need for dedicated air superiority fighter anymore
F-35s with AWACs armed with 12 BVR missiles (Cuda) can deal more damage than any other air superiority fighter.

 

[Blue Marlin]

LOL Dude, just like my brother @Blue Marlin said, Engine tech is a very sensitive technology, which only a few countries in the world have so far mastered completely, It's the most technologically advanced/challenging technology to master for a country and usually shows how advanced/mature a country's industrial capabilities are overall. So, you should know manufacturing jet engines require a much superior technology infrastructure. It takes decades to even build such an ecosystem.Plus, Jet engine is an intricate piece of machinery which requires lot of resources and technological know-how. So it wont be really feasible for us to transfer all our world class engine tech to Turkey, it's not really feasible, since no country in the world(including Turkey) will do that. However we will keep cooperating with Turkey in many other less sensitive areas in Jet Engine. At least we can help Turkey establish the bases needed to kick start her own indigenous engine manufacturing. That will require billions of Dollars over a couple of decades to set up though.

Anyway we have been helping/cooperating with Turkey in this field for quite a while now. We will keep providing all the help we can afford to offer our Turkish allies.

Rolls-Royce and Tukey's Sanmar enter strategic partnership for the supply of MTU engines
Wednesday, 2 December 2015

• Cooperation with Turkish shipyard to supply tug engines
• MTU to deliver Series 4000 Ironmen engines
• Letter of Intent seals previous successful partnership

FRIEDRICHSHAFEN/GERMANY – Rolls-Royce and the Turkish shipbuilder Sanmar Shipyards have signed a letter of intent for the supply of MTU engines. The Class RAstar 2800-E Azimuth Stern Drive tugs currently being built by Sanmar are to be powered solely by MTU Series 16V 4000 M63 and M63L engines and by a Rolls-Royce or Schottel propeller system. The engines of this series are extremely efficient, in addition to offering low fuel consumption and low maintenance costs due to a high TBO (Time Between Overhaul). They also meet EPA Tier 2, IMO Tier II and ZKR II emission standards. The MTU brand is part of Rolls-Royce Power Systems within the Land & Sea division of Rolls-Royce.


“This collaboration is an important step for us. The Turkish tug market is highly competitive,” said Ekrem Kuraloğlu, Managing Director of MTU Turkey. “Sanmar Shipyards is one of the leading tugboat builders worldwide. With this agreement, MTU is now becoming a key supplier of Sanmar. We are delighted with the trust Sanmar has once again placed in our engines and services.”

Dr. Ulrich Dohle, CEO of Rolls-Royce Power Systems, is shown presenting eco-friendly diesel engines from MTU.

MTU and the Turkish shipbuilder Sanmar have been working together since 2009. In 2014 MTU delivered four 16V 4000 M63L engines for two new Sanmar tugboats with a bollard pull of more than 70 tonnes. Now another twelve 16V 4000 M63 engines each delivering 2,000 kW are on order for six more RAstar 2800-E Class Azimuth Stern Drive tugs. Sanmar Shipyards will deliver the first tugs to the Danish tug operator Svitzer in the fourth quarter of 2016. The tug vessels, which deliver a bollard pull of 70 tonnes, will be used in terminals.

Sanmar AS is the biggest tugboat operator and builder in Turkey and is recognised as being amongst the leading specialist tug constructors worldwide. Sanmar currently builds high quality and specialised tugboats in its two shipyards in Tuzla and Altinova.

Press photos are available for download from News: MTU Online

About Rolls-Royce Holdings plc

1. Rolls-Royce’s vision is to create better power for a changing world via two main business divisions, Aerospace and Land & Sea. These business divisions address markets with two strong technology platforms, gas turbines and reciprocating engines. Aerospace comprises Civil Aerospace and Defence Aerospace. Land & Sea comprises Marine, Nuclear and Power Systems.
2. Rolls-Royce Power Systems is headquartered in Friedrichshafen in southern Germany and employs around 11,000 people. The product portfolio includes MTU-brand high-speed engines and propulsion systems for ships, power generation, heavy land, rail and defence vehicles and for the oil and gas industry. Under the MTU Onsite Energy brand, the company markets diesel gensets for emergency, base load and peak load applications as well as cogeneration plants using gas engines for the combined generation of heat and power. Bergen medium-speed engines power ships and power generation applications. L’Orange completes the portfolio with fuel injection systems for large engines.
3. Rolls-Royce has customers in more than 120 countries, comprising more than 380 airlines and leasing customers, 160 armed forces, 4,000 marine customers including 70 navies, and more than 5,000 power and nuclear customers.
4. Our business is focused on the 4Cs:
   • Customer – placing the customer at the heart of our business
   • Concentration – deciding where to grow and where not to
   • Cost – continually looking to increase efficiency
   • Cash – improving financial performance.
5. Annual underlying revenue was £14.6 billion in 2014, around half of which came from the provision of aftermarket services. The firm and announced order book stood at £76.5 billion at 30 June 2015.
6. In 2014, Rolls-Royce invested £1.2 billion on research and development. We also support a global network of 31 University Technology Centres, which position Rolls-Royce engineers at the forefront of scientific research.
7. Rolls-Royce employs over 54,000 people in more than 50 countries. Over 15,500 of these are engineers.
8. The Group has a strong commitment to apprentice and graduate recruitment and to further developing employee skills. In 2014 we employed 354 graduates and 357 apprentices through our worldwide training programmes. Globally we have over 1,000 Rolls-Royce STEM ambassadors who are actively involved in education programmes and activities; we have set ourselves a target to reach 6 million people through our STEM outreach activities by 2020.

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i think that the eurojet consortium will build the critical/sensitive components and they will be shipped to turkey to be built over there. just like the ge-f100 . the components are made in the US and then shipped and built in turkey. the ge-f100 is for tauf'si f16's which are too built in turkey. and how south korea is doing the same with the ge404 for the t-50 trainer

 

[xenon54 out]

With F-35s coming, I don't think there is even a need for dedicated air superiority fighter anymore
F-35s with AWACs armed with 12 BVR missiles (Cuda) can deal more damage than any other air superiority fighter.

Even more than F-22?

 

[Azeri440]

Even more than F-22?

with Cudas , F-35s will be able to carry more BVR missiles than any other fighter.

 

[xenon54 out]

with Cudas , F-35s will be able to carry more BVR missiles than any other fighter.

I see, BVR combats are the future, but what bothers me is what plus sides does F-22 have left against F-35 besides speed and agility?
Cant imagine US spending billions in developing F-22 parallel to F-35 if it hasnt such a significant superiority.

 

[Azeri440]

I see, BVR combats are the future, but what bothers me is what plus sides does F-22 have left against F-35 besides speed and agility?
Cant imagine US spending billions in developing F-22 parallel to F-35 if it hasnt such a significant superiority.

there are differences , even the internal bays of F-22 are optimized for air-to-air combat with F-35 internal bays optimized for multi-role combat, but like I said Lockheed managed to overcome such limitations with development of missiles specifically for F-35.

for comparison, F-35 can only carry 4 AMRAAMs with development of Cudas , F-35 suddenly received a triple increase in BVR missiles.

 

[LegionnairE]

Yeah sure but we dont need air superiority to be the backbone of our airforce, just 1-2 squadrons against treats such as Russia wouldnt be a bad idea i think.

I'm not sure, F35 already has the range to bomb moscow without aerial refueling, I highly doubt we'll need longer ranged fighters... in a hypothetical war scenario we'll be on the defensive side. So yeah, geopolitics.

With F-35s coming, I don't think there is even a need for dedicated air superiority fighter anymore
F-35s with AWACs armed with 12 BVR missiles (Cuda) can deal more damage than any other air superiority fighter.

Air superiority is more about staying in the air longer than the other side and less about firepower. But yeah, F35 is quite good at that too, fuel incerase over F16 is tremendous.

Still don't understand why Turkey hasn't shown interest in buying our typhoons.
With the typhoons, Turkey will dominate the skies in it's neighbourhood.

We learn from the mistakes of others... Hellenic Air Force bought both Mirage 2000s and F16s and they had to deal with logistics of both of the planes for a long time. They've even bought F16's with PW F100 engines how logical is that?

So yeah TurAF won't buy anything that's not a significant upgrade on F16 and F35 is exactly that

I see, BVR combats are the future, but what bothers me is what plus sides does F-22 have left against F-35 besides speed and agility?
Cant imagine US spending billions in developing F-22 parallel to F-35 if it hasnt such a significant superiority.

US didn't develop F22 parallel to F35. in fact they stopped producing F22 almost as soon as they've dedicated to F35. Main reason was that It was too damn expensive.

You can put 2 F35s in the air for the price of a single F22...

 

[Oksoko]

 

[LegionnairE]

as you can see, F35 has a crazy amount of fuel for it's size...

 

[Oksoko]

as you can see, F35 has a crazy amount of fuel for it's size...

Yes, if you compare aircraft size and fuel capacity ratio, F35 rocks.

 

[LegionnairE]

Yes, if you compare aircraft size and fuel capacity ratio, F35 rocks.

As I've said in my previous posts, you could bomb moscow without aerial refueling with it...

F35C has even longer operational range, that's why I suggested earlier that we should look into it.
But the C variant lacks a gun, TurAF might have a problem with it

Also note that F35A has a 25mm gun as opposed to the 20mm M61 Vulcan on the F16.
It should have a higher velocity but lower rate of fire.

which makes you question do we even need TFX? What sort of role is it going to fill?
other than feeding our national ego of course

 

[era_shield]

which makes you question do we even need TFX? What sort of role is it going to fill?
other than feeding our national ego of course

It's going to fill the role of air combat and other roles the F-35 can't perform, similar to how the F-22 will complement the F-35. This has been explained to you many times.

By the way, the reason the F-35 has a high fuel fraction is that it's very fat, and that's because they decided to make the space for the lift fan common to all variants. That fatness is also one of the reasons why it's slow (increased drag). It's funny because when China copied the design they were smart enough to fix that problem, so they actually have an aerodynamically superior jet than the one they copied.

 

[LegionnairE]

It's going to fill the role of air combat and other roles the F-35 can't perform, similar to how the F-22 will complement the F-35. This has been explained to you many times.

lol'd...
F22 won't complement the F35 btw... there will be between 2500 to 3000 F35s and only about 200 F22s.
F35 will do everything on it's own most of the time.

so what it has a bit more drag. Everybody are buying F16s with CFTs now, they have a bit more drag(and weight) too but apparently to most air forces, having more fuel is a priority.

 

[era_shield]

lol'd...
F22 won't complement the F35 btw... there will be between 2500 to 3000 F35s and only about 200+ F22s.
F35 will do everything on it's own most of the time.

so what it has a bit more drag. Everybody are buying F16s with CFTs now, they have a bit more drag(and weight) too but apparently to most air forces, having more fuel is a priority.

As always, you don't know what you're talking about. CFTs are removable - when they need to, they can always remove them if the role requires it and remove the drag penalty. Not possible with the F-35. Even with CFTs there

And you still can't seem to understand the fact that the F-35 can't perform all the same roles an F-22 can. There were originally supposed to be 400 F-22s and that was going to be the "high" in the "high-low" mix the US wanted, but they had to cut production short due to cost. Most likely the same thing will happen with the F-35 - they are already talking about reducing the number they buy (which you also got wrong).

What's funny is that you think you know how to run an air force better than the USAF, TuAF, IAF and other world class air forces who are planning on doing what I'm trying to explain to you. If you wanna criticise someone for "feeding their ego", start with yourself.

 

[LegionnairE]

As always, you don't know what you're talking about. CFTs are removable - when they need to, they can always remove them if the role requires it and remove the drag penalty. Not possible with the F-35.

Not possible with any 5th generation aircraft.

And you still can't seem to understand the fact that the F-35 can't perform all the same roles an F-22 can. There were originally supposed to be 400 F-22s and that was going to be the "high" in the "high-low" mix the US wanted, but they had to cut production short due to cost. Most likely the same thing will happen with the F-35 - they are already talking about reducing the number they buy (which you also got wrong).

You don't seem to get it F22s whole production line has been closed. They don't make it anymore. There's no such scenario where F22 complements F35. Very low number of 187 F22s are most likely going to remain in the air national guard and guard the mainland USA...

As for F35 the numbers may change but ultimately it'll be around 2500, the number already fell from 3000

What's funny is that you think you know how to run an air force better than the USAF, TuAF, IAF and other world class air forces who are planning on doing what I'm trying to explain to you. If you wanna criticise someone for "feeding their ego", start with yourself.

oh shut up, all of the air forces you've cited are buying the F35.

The draggy little flying brick you're trying to picture.