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Robert Mugabe: China is doing everything that Africa’s colonizers should have done

When did American build high rise apartment, railway or stadium for the Africans?

Checkout the Angola project or Kenya and you will know how much more China in just these 5 years has contributed compare to westerner 150years of Africa/west of relationship.

The American the most build a symbolic hospital and some small charity organization, none can matched those kind of massive project like dam or power station in high China provided for the Africans.

How is a stadium helping the lives of an oridnary African? How is it helping improve the socio-economic problems in the African continent?

The Americans did approve loans or aid for massive infrastructure projects (damns, power plants, roads etc), gain influence in the political sphere, made sure that american companies won tenders for these projects and then used the leverage to gain a stronghold in acquiring the natural resources of that country. Sometimes, the aid was approved knowing it would be a sunk cost because these countries would never be able to repay the debt and in doing so would have to pledge their natural resources to the americans.
China is using the exact same tactics. Do you really think Zimbabwe with its shit economy and toilet paper for a currency has anything to offer to the chinese in terms of business institutions or political favors in the larger african continent? NONE!
Let's not get delusional about the intentions of the chinese government. I respect the chinese for their business acumen, but its also true that the chinese arent exactly altruistic.

Though I will say this...there is one difference among the chinese and americans...
American will get involved in politics, ie. they will try to influence who leads a country which is wrong...so far the chinese have stayed out of external politics which I think might be your biggest sell over the americans.
 
China has brought Africa prosperity??

not really. like I said corruption will always bring Africa down. Africa will always be used by foreign powers whether it be from the West or now the East.

it's just a different form of imperialism and colonizing.


Africa is just a natural resource hub for China and a place to dump it's products.

Please tell me how a dictator can steal a building.

Pigs will always oink.

China is using the exact same tactics. Do you really think Zimbabwe with its shit economy and toilet paper for a currency has anything to offer to the chinese in terms of business institutions or political favors in the larger african continent? NONE!

Please tell me what invaluable mineral resources Ethiopia has. You should do some real research on this instead of just taking what the media says as true.

China is serving its own interests but that does not include grabbing resources for short-term gain and earning the hatred of soon-to-be 1 billion people, forever.
 
President Xi announces 10 major programs to boost China-Africa co-op
December 4, 2015

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Chinese President Xi Jinping delivers a speech during a welcome banquet for the summit of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation in Johannesburg, South Africa, Dec. 3, 2015. (Xinhua/Huang Jingwen)


Chinese President Xi Jinping announced Friday that his country will roll out 10 major plans to boost cooperation with Africa in the coming three years.

Proposing to lift the China-Africa relationship to a comprehensive strategic cooperative partnership in a keynote speech at the opening ceremony of the second summit of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC), Xi said the programs are aimed at carrying out the upgrade.

The big package covers the areas of industrialization, agricultural modernization, infrastructure, financial services, green development, trade and investment facilitation, poverty reduction and public welfare, public health, people-to-people exchanges, and peace and security.

The programs, stressed the president, will focus on helping African countries break the three development bottlenecks of backward infrastructure, talent shortage and inadequate fund, accelerate industrialization and agricultural modernization, and realize independent and sustainable development.

To ensure smooth implementation of the initiatives, Xi announced, China will offer 60 billion U.S. dollars of funding support, including 5 billion dollars of free aid and interest-free loans, 35 billion dollars of preferential loans and export credit on more favorable terms, 5 billion dollars of additional capital for the China-Africa Development Fund and the Special Loan for the Development of African SMEs each, and a China-Africa production capacity cooperation fund with the initial capital of 10 billion dollars.

"China-Africa relations have today reached a stage of growth unmatched in history," Xi said. "Let's join hands ... and open a new era of China-Africa win-win cooperation and common development."
 
How is a stadium helping the lives of an oridnary African? How is it helping improve the socio-economic problems in the African continent?

The Americans did approve loans or aid for massive infrastructure projects (damns, power plants, roads etc), gain influence in the political sphere, made sure that american companies won tenders for these projects and then used the leverage to gain a stronghold in acquiring the natural resources of that country. Sometimes, the aid was approved knowing it would be a sunk cost because these countries would never be able to repay the debt and in doing so would have to pledge their natural resources to the americans.
China is using the exact same tactics. Do you really think Zimbabwe with its shit economy and toilet paper for a currency has anything to offer to the chinese in terms of business institutions or political favors in the larger african continent? NONE!
Let's not get delusional about the intentions of the chinese government. I respect the chinese for their business acumen, but its also true that the chinese arent exactly altruistic.

Though I will say this...there is one difference among the chinese and americans...
American will get involved in politics, ie. they will try to influence who leads a country which is wrong...so far the chinese have stayed out of external politics which I think might be your biggest sell over the americans.

So what you suggest? No body in the world can help Zimbabwe except Zimbabwe people themselves. Unless of course, you want other country to bring "democrazy" to Zimbabwe soil. Plus, African countries have their own legal governments. These Governments are the representative of their people. It's their job to help the lives of ordinary Africans. Outside power can only help with giving them loan, or aid. If they can't do their job and make the live of African people miserable, blame them. Don't blame the people who help by giving loan, aid, and trade.

So, if they don't want to sell the country natural resource, then what do they have to trade with outside world? Trade is about supply and demand. Don't blame the other if the supply that one has is only natural resource.
 
How is a stadium helping the lives of an oridnary African? How is it helping improve the socio-economic problems in the African continent?

The Americans did approve loans or aid for massive infrastructure projects (damns, power plants, roads etc), gain influence in the political sphere, made sure that american companies won tenders for these projects and then used the leverage to gain a stronghold in acquiring the natural resources of that country. Sometimes, the aid was approved knowing it would be a sunk cost because these countries would never be able to repay the debt and in doing so would have to pledge their natural resources to the americans.
China is using the exact same tactics. Do you really think Zimbabwe with its shit economy and toilet paper for a currency has anything to offer to the chinese in terms of business institutions or political favors in the larger african continent? NONE!
Let's not get delusional about the intentions of the chinese government. I respect the chinese for their business acumen, but its also true that the chinese arent exactly altruistic.

Though I will say this...there is one difference among the chinese and americans...
American will get involved in politics, ie. they will try to influence who leads a country which is wrong...so far the chinese have stayed out of external politics which I think might be your biggest sell over the americans.
US has never build a rail or high rise quality living building for the African. African loves soccer. The stadium gives this ordinary a chance to relax themselves and watch a soccer match. It is a well planned of life/family/relax balance life style produced by the Chinese for African. Dont tell me only rich people attend the soccer match? The stadium is also a venue for breeding talented African kids who has professional soccer aspect which can help them escape poverty by playing in Europe or Chinese football league.


Views of suburban Luanda: banishing the ghosts from Kilamba - Africa Research Institute
 
The myth about Chinese imperialism in Africa
By Heiko Khoo
December 5, 2015

China's President Xi Jinping and leaders from all over Africa are attending the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation (FOCAC), which meets on Dec. 4-5 in South Africa. The objective is to intensify long-term strategic collaboration and mutual economic and technical development.

When the FOCAC was set up in 2000, total Sino-African trade stood at only $10bn – now it exceeds $220bn. China's investment stock in Africa is more than $30bn. Investment in infrastructure lies at the heart of China's engagement in Africa. This is laying the material foundations for lasting progress and modernization. For example, the construction of over 5,500km of railways and 4,500km of roads is being financed by China. In 2013 Chinese banks and enterprises funded a variety of infrastructure projects in Africa to the tune of $13.4bn mainly in power generation and railways. In addition, cooperation has flourished in healthcare, agriculture, conflict resolution, art and culture.


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Chinese President Xi Jinping (R) meets with African Union Commission (AUC) Chairperson Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma in Pretoria, South Africa, Dec. 3, 2015. [Xinhua]

Although the United States and other Western powers remain the largest investors in Africa – China is now the continent's biggest trading partner. However, there is a widely accepted myth that Chinese companies secured their place in the African sun, by unfairly undercutting competition. In truth, private enterprises constitute the backbone of U.S., British and French investors, and they are simply unwilling to shoulder the risks associated with long-term infrastructure investment. Consequently, they lack the skills and capacity to develop the continent. This stands in sharp contrast with the methods employed by China's state-owned or state-controlled enterprises; and it exposes the short-term and exploitative nature of Western private investments.

The U.S. scholar Deborah Brautigam is one of the world's leading specialists on Sino-African relations. Her latest book "Will China Feed Africa" examines the emotive story that Africa is being conquered by Chinese agribusiness – supposedly in order to feed China. Few China stories are so prevalent or exaggerated by politicians, journalists and academics. She questions conventional wisdom about China's engagement with African agriculture.

The dominant Western narrative asserts that China is incorporating Africa into its global food security strategy. This involves accumulating vast tracts of African land to feed China – at the expense of the African people and continental development. Brautigam discovered that China is a net exporter of food to Africa, and Africa will not be feeding China any time soon.

To get to the truth, Brautigam analyzed 60 Chinese investments in Africa reported in the world's press. She also studied Chinese international economic investment policies and government incentive structures. By comparing these projects with reality, she found that most reports about the scale of Chinese investment were grossly exaggerated. And associated claims of Chinese "land-grabbing" were also found to be untrue.

When ZTE, a state-owned Chinese telecommunications company, invested in the Congo, some reports alleged that they were about to buy-up half of the country's arable land. ZTE did intend to invest in biofuels that would be grown on 2 million hectares of African land. However, when the company experts investigated the potential, they discovered that the only means of access to the land was by means of a river – whose complex navigation made the project totally unviable. As a consequence, only 200 hectares were eventually used – for an experiment – which was soon abandoned.

Surprisingly, China's investment in Australian agribusiness is larger than its combined agricultural investments in the African continent. Australia's main agricultural exports to China are sesame seed, cocoa and rubber.

The real focus of China's African agro-industry is investment in machine sales, and the establishment of experimental agricultural centers. In an interesting development, some local governments in Africa are contracting Chinese state enterprises to establish indigenous state-enterprises – and to help secure long-term food security.

The roots of the popular myths about Chinese-African relations lie in the Cold War. In fact China is not colonising Africa. And African governments are not the pliant stooges of Chinese "imperialism."
 
African states mull adopting yuan as forex reserve: Chinese official

Reuters , Friday 4 Dec 2015

African countries discussed adopting the yuan currency as a foreign exchange reserve during meetings with China at a summit in South Africa, a senior Chinese official said on Friday.

"Some countries raised this at bilateral meetings. Leaders of both sides attach great importance to this issue," Special Representative of the Chinese Government on African Affairs Zhong Jianhua said, without elaborating.

Chinese President Xi Jinping earlier pledged $60 billion for development projects in Africa at the start of the two-day summit of the Forum on China-Africa Cooperation.

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Yes. As long as China keeps funding Mugabe, he will call Xi Jinping as God incarnate.

China exploits the African corruption. US money galvanised Europe after WW2. Have Chinese effect transformed any one African country?
 
The difference between China and the West exploitation of the Africa is we gave them a choice to work with us. There was no force for them to do anything whatsoever.. The West didn't give them any choice. Africa continent was born to be enslaved and used. There was no choice for African people. That is the difference!.
 
When did American build high rise apartment, railway or stadium for the Africans?

Checkout the Angola project or Kenya and you will know how much more China in just these 5 years has contributed compare to westerner 150years of Africa/west of relationship.

The American the most build a symbolic hospital and some small charity organization, none can matched those kind of massive project like dam or power station in high China provided for the Africans.
Look, China means well. I mean really well. It is after commodities and it will build infrastructure as needed to get to these resources as well. In a very old post i mentioned this before. In the 70s, the first chinese major infrastructure was undertaken to span a railway across from Zambia to Dar-es-Salam. No western country would undertake its financing. The chinese govt stepped in and built this railway.

Back in 1985, i travelled on it all the way, the locomotives were still functional and excellent work done.

Similarly, in Angola the infrastruture work being done is phenomenal and similarly the railways projects across east africa are nothing more than commendable. The only challenge is if the african countries are willing to embrace the maintenance and working side by side to learn from the chinese who tend to bring their own labour force which incidentally has a majority of small crime jailed chinese citizens which are used for this work.

Just come to Botswana, from power transmission, telephone, roads, stadiums, hospitals etc, i have seen this transform the country within the past 15 years that is no longer recognisable from 25yrs back when it was just a rural community.

Alas, the pitiful are the leaders who will use every opportunity to eat crocodile share of kickback or demand kickbacks.

How is a stadium helping the lives of an oridnary African? How is it helping improve the socio-economic problems in the African continent?

The Americans did approve loans or aid for massive infrastructure projects (damns, power plants, roads etc), gain influence in the political sphere, made sure that american companies won tenders for these projects and then used the leverage to gain a stronghold in acquiring the natural resources of that country. Sometimes, the aid was approved knowing it would be a sunk cost because these countries would never be able to repay the debt and in doing so would have to pledge their natural resources to the americans.
China is using the exact same tactics. Do you really think Zimbabwe with its shit economy and toilet paper for a currency has anything to offer to the chinese in terms of business institutions or political favors in the larger african continent? NONE!
Let's not get delusional about the intentions of the chinese government. I respect the chinese for their business acumen, but its also true that the chinese arent exactly altruistic.

Though I will say this...there is one difference among the chinese and americans...
American will get involved in politics, ie. they will try to influence who leads a country which is wrong...so far the chinese have stayed out of external politics which I think might be your biggest sell over the americans.

Friend, i beg to disagree totally. In the past 20 years, this continent has been transformed acros the eastern board right down to southern africa (excluding South Africa). We have seen none of the investments come from the US or European sides.

True the chinese have come with their own motives but they have built lot of infrastructure. Stadiums are just one of those facets. From power grids (Sino hydro), telephone (Sino-telecom) to solar, hospitals, clinics etc. I can tell you friend, i have yet to see any western country put money into a country like China and transform our entire continent. Railways are another major change which is driving across eastern african. You are not going to see any other country coming in.

The mentality of the western countries was to treat africans as a second class partner and just give them aid as needed with pre-conditions yet majority of the country is not touched.

I invite you to travel across this continent and the change is very very visible.

Thank to our chinese compatriots!!! Salute to their commitments.
 
Look, China means well. I mean really well. It is after commodities and it will build infrastructure as needed to get to these resources as well. In a very old post i mentioned this before. In the 70s, the first chinese major infrastructure was undertaken to span a railway across from Zambia to Dar-es-Salam. No western country would undertake its financing. The chinese govt stepped in and built this railway.

Back in 1985, i travelled on it all the way, the locomotives were still functional and excellent work done.

Similarly, in Angola the infrastruture work being done is phenomenal and similarly the railways projects across east africa are nothing more than commendable. The only challenge is if the african countries are willing to embrace the maintenance and working side by side to learn from the chinese who tend to bring their own labour force which incidentally has a majority of small crime jailed chinese citizens which are used for this work.

Just come to Botswana, from power transmission, telephone, roads, stadiums, hospitals etc, i have seen this transform the country within the past 15 years that is no longer recognisable from 25yrs back when it was just a rural community.

Alas, the pitiful are the leaders who will use every opportunity to eat crocodile share of kickback or demand kickbacks.



Friend, i beg to disagree totally. In the past 20 years, this continent has been transformed acros the eastern board right down to southern africa (excluding South Africa). We have seen none of the investments come from the US or European sides.

True the chinese have come with their own motives but they have built lot of infrastructure. Stadiums are just one of those facets. From power grids (Sino hydro), telephone (Sino-telecom) to solar, hospitals, clinics etc. I can tell you friend, i have yet to see any western country put money into a country like China and transform our entire continent. Railways are another major change which is driving across eastern african. You are not going to see any other country coming in.

The mentality of the western countries was to treat africans as a second class partner and just give them aid as needed with pre-conditions yet majority of the country is not touched.

I invite you to travel across this continent and the change is very very visible.

Thank to our chinese compatriots!!! Salute to their commitments.

A true African speaks. Beware! CIA has pay alot of agent to spread colonize nonsense about China, they are paid to speak up for western as benevolent and never have ill intention while Chinese as yellow peril that only have intention for their resources and suck African dry with nothing in return.

Clearly Peshwa is working for CIA and on their payroll. What have China done for African , is all you can see.
 
Africa isn't the complete backwards goat-herder no water dried out tin roof wasteland you see in old movies.

Yes, China is helping them build stuff. But they already had come a LONG way.



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Capital of Benin

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Capital of Burundi

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Capital Cameroon.

We can post pictures all day

Yes, people actually own cars in Africa and they don't have to be big enough for spears.
 
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Africa isn't the complete backwards goat-herder no water dried out tin roof wasteland you see in old movies.

Yes, China is helping them build stuff. But they already had come a LONG way.

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Capital of Botswana

Porto-Novo__Benin.jpg

Capital of Benin

Bujumburalandscapes001.jpg

Capital of Burundi

We can post pictures all day

Typical American trick, everybody knows South Africa is quite advance, why not you post old photo of Angola and or Nigeria and compare now what Chinese have done for African?
 
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