Reshaping to an efficient transport network

[AndrewJin]

Yes those Chinese DMU we got have high speed of 160 KM/ph.

But we have a project for hsr for a loop of 120-160 KM that will cost 3.5 billion but I think this one on the shelf now because of the oil price cut.

160km/h not bad at all.
If a train can reach 150-160km/h for most of the journey, a 300km journey can be achieved at around 2hour30min.
The question lies in the track, can it stand 160km/h all the way?
Or the train has to speed down on a lot of sections because of the limited standards.

 

[GS Zhou]

Ticket Prices are very low for high speed rail, how is it done? We are trying to build our first high speed network probably with help from China and Japan and our news papers are crowded with so called studies which says it will be costlier than Airplane and here your prices are normal 2AC class prices which is very low!

A high localization rate plays a critical role.

When China says localization, it not only mentions the final assembly step of the train, but also all the sub-systems involved, e.g. traction system, controlling system, signalling system, bogie, wheels, braking system, HVAC, etc. More over, even the construction equipment involved are covered.

For example, below is the picture of the China-developed TBM (tunnel boring machine), which is a mush-have for digging long-distance tunnel through hard rocks. China used to be completely dependent on imports for TBM. And western companies therefore charged a huge amount of extra-profits on us. E.g. the TBM China imported in 1990s' is RMB 300~400 million per unit. But nowadays, our own TBM is ~RMB 100 million a unit. Considering the inflation in the past 20 years, we got 80%~90% saving from the localization.

 

[HypocriteHunter]

A high localization rate plays a critical role.

When China says localization, it not only mentions the final assembly step of the train, but also all the sub-systems involved, e.g. traction system, controlling system, signalling system, bogie, wheels, braking system, HVAC, etc. More over, even the construction equipment involved are covered.

For example, below is the picture of the China-developed TBM (tunnel boring machine), which is a mush-have for digging long-distance tunnel through hard rocks. China used to be completely dependent on imports for TBM. And western companies therefore charged a huge amount of extra-profits on us. E.g. the TBM China imported in 1990s' is RMB 300~400 million per unit. But nowadays, our own TBM is ~RMB 100 million a unit. Considering the inflation in the past 20 years, we got 80%~90% saving from the localization.
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Yeah localization definitely help but even if we buy most of the things from outside it wont be that high as much our stupid media projected! I am really freaking out how much they lie even in normal reporting which is for country and not for a political party, in politics they are highly biased which is understandable.

 

[Srinivas]

Dunno.
F**k them all...
Argued for like 3 years, still not settled.
There is fierce completion for a station...
Especially between Jingzhou and Jingmen.
Probably can start construction around 2018-2019.
The current SEMI-HSR is driving me crazy!
900km to Shanghai need 4-5 hours, what the hell!

Take a flight, it will be approx 1 hour, In India we do that !

 

[AndrewJin]

https://defence.pk/threads/world-ba...inas-guiguang-and-nanguang-rail-lines.380030/
@HypocriteHunter These two lines are in China's less developed Southwest (linked to developed region Guangzhou)
The ticket of 200-250km/h train is also similar to the one in OP.

Train D202 Nanning-Guangzhou
563km, 3 hours 19 min.
Ticket price: 169yuan= $25

Train D212 Guangzhou-Guiyang
867km, 4 hour 12min
267.5yuan=$41

Nanning East Station

Take a flight, it will be approx 1 hour, In India we do that !

Flight sucks.
Uncomfortable, not punctual as HSR, no scenery, and prices unstable!
Most importantly, u can't have an airport every 30-50km, it's not inclusive growth that everyone along a corridor can enjoy!
China has the second largest air traffic after US, but much less than HSR passenger volume.

Yeah localization definitely help but even if we buy most of the things from outside it wont be that high as much our stupid media projected! I am really freaking out how much they lie even in normal reporting which is for country and not for a political party, in politics they are highly biased which is understandable.

It's OK to buy in the initial phase.
It takes much longer time to localise.

This video is about a bullet train on a traditional railway that has been upgraded to 160-200km/h.
In Inner Mongolia Region, Northern China
http://www.vccoo.com/v/75ec15

I also enjoy very much these sort of upgraded old railways.
We have just opened an upgraded old line around Shanghai.
From a non-electrifed railway

 

[Srinivas]

I heard HSR is also crowded in China?

https://defence.pk/threads/world-ba...inas-guiguang-and-nanguang-rail-lines.380030/
@HypocriteHunter These two lines are in China's less developed Southwest (linked to developed region Guangzhou)
The ticket of 200-250km/h train is also similar to the one in OP.

Train D202 Nanning-Guangzhou
563km, 3 hours 19 min.
Ticket price: 169yuan= $25

Train D212 Guangzhou-Guiyang
867km, 4 hour 12min
267.5yuan=$41

Nanning East Station
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Flight sucks.
Uncomfortable, not punctual as HSR, no scenery, and prices unstable!
Most importantly, u can't have an airport every 30-50km, it's not inclusive growth that everyone along a corridor can enjoy!
China has the second largest air traffic after US, but much less than HSR passenger volume.


It's OK to buy in the initial phase.
It takes much longer time to localise.

This video is about a bullet train on a traditional railway that has been upgraded to 160-200km/h.
In Inner Mongolia Region, Northern China
http://www.vccoo.com/v/75ec15

I also enjoy very much these sort of upgraded old railways.
We have just opened an upgraded old line around Shanghai.
From a non-electrifed railway

 

[AndrewJin]

I heard HSR is also crowded in China?

Yes....
But only 10-20% standing tickets are allowed.
On normal days, very few stands.
On Friday, at weekend or other public holiday....Yes.

Last week, Dragon Boat Festival
Awaiting check-in, Hangzhou East Station

@Srinivas
HSR has very high capacity potential, can reach 3-5 minutes per train.
Now we are in short of bullet trains, manufacturing too slow to meet all need.

 

[waz]

Great pics bro @AndrewJin

 

[AndrewJin]

Great pics bro @AndrewJin

Thanks bro

 

[AndrewJin]

A high localization rate plays a critical role.

When China says localization, it not only mentions the final assembly step of the train, but also all the sub-systems involved, e.g. traction system, controlling system, signalling system, bogie, wheels, braking system, HVAC, etc. More over, even the construction equipment involved are covered.

For example, below is the picture of the China-developed TBM (tunnel boring machine), which is a mush-have for digging long-distance tunnel through hard rocks. China used to be completely dependent on imports for TBM. And western companies therefore charged a huge amount of extra-profits on us. E.g. the TBM China imported in 1990s' is RMB 300~400 million per unit. But nowadays, our own TBM is ~RMB 100 million a unit. Considering the inflation in the past 20 years, we got 80%~90% saving from the localization.
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CRCC is amazing.
They are building the longest HSR tunnel of Northeast China on the Beijing-Shenyang HSR.
13km long!

 

[AndrewJin]

@cirr @GS Zhou Check this out, from 00:30, the longest expressway tunnel in China, 18km long.
1:30/2:00/2:30, looks like some scenery within the tunnel! @ahojunk

The most important project of the 3000+km-long G65 Baotou-Maoming Expressway

 

[GS Zhou]

@cirr @GS Zhou Check this out, from 00:30, the longest expressway tunnel in China, 18km long.
1:30/2:00/2:30, looks like some scenery within the tunnel! @ahojunk

The most important project of the 3000+km-long G65 Baotou-Maoming Expressway

I don't expect the tunnel under Qinling Mountains could be that long!!! An amazing project!! Feel truly proud of it!

BTW, the experssay road through the Qinling Mountains reminds me of the following gentleman. The distance, which he failed to complete till the death, nowadays cost us only two or three hours!!

 

[AndrewJin]

I don't expect the tunnel under Qinling Mountains could be that long!!! An amazing project!! Feel truly proud of it!

BTW, the experssay road through the Qinling Mountains reminds me of the following gentleman. The distance, which he failed to complete till the death, nowadays cost us only two or three hours!!
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Yep, the ancient road to cross Qinling Mountains was the most notoriously dangerous.
China's numbers construction behemoths have done a great job and now a lot of such tunnels are being built in the West, which is an important part of reducing poverty before 2020.

China's poorest province Guizhou

But, there is still a long way to go as to match province like Fujian which is also quite mountainous.

Fujian Province
1997, the first line
2015, 5000km, every county is linked to the expressway network
@S10 @cnleio @greenwood @rott @Mista @Emperor_of_Mankind

 

[GS Zhou]

Take a flight, it will be approx 1 hour, In India we do that !

But for such a short flight,
- you need to arrive at the airport at least one hour earlier;
- when the flight landed, from the moment the land gear touches ground, till you get to the arrival hall of the airport, there is at least another 30min consumed.
- Also the time wasted on the traffic between home/office/hotel and airport should be counted in (airport usually far from the urban area, but train station is much closer to city center)

What's more important is, in case you live in a small town at the mid of the 900km route, how to make the travel? Take a 30min flight??

Another benefit of HSR is you won't lose the connection to the outside world. Check the picture attached, I was using my laptop browsing PDF when sitting at a 305km/h train!

 

[AndrewJin]

But for such a short flight,
- you need to arrive at the airport at least one hour earlier;
- when the flight landed, from the moment the land gear touches ground, till you get to the arrival hall of the airport, there is at least another 30min consumed.
- Also the time wasted on the traffic between home/office/hotel and airport should be counted in (airport usually far from the urban area, but train station is much closer to city center)

What's more important is, in case you live in a small town at the mid of the 900km route, how to make the travel? Take a 30min flight??

Another benefit of HSR is you won't lose the connection to the outside world. Check the picture attached, I was using my laptop browsing PDF when sitting at a 305km/h train!
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Yes, it can work for most of the time except in the tunnels.
Taking bullet trains are increasingly popular among businessmen.
@Shotgunner51 Our bloody banker always takes business lounge which is more comfortable than first class on the plane.
Well, we just stick to second class then.
Sometimes first class is fine.
btw. on CRH, business class/vip class >>>>>>first class >> second class, different from flights.