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Reservation for SC/ST in promotions.

Let's be realistic guys.. this will not happen. Govt will not be able to conjure up two thirds of the votes in both houses of the parliament to pass this bill. Even Mulayam Singh is not willing to support this cause. It's just a campaign tool for congress.. to go to general public during the election & cry wolf.

The question is - who will oppose the reservation in promotions for SC/ST's apart from mulayam?? They are a huge vote bank & any party opposing such move will be making losses in the elections. Mulayam's opposition to this is b'coz it does not include OBC's (& thus the minorities) otherwise he also would have supported such a move. UPA (supporting this move) + BJP (will definitely support the initiative) itself make the nos. needed to pass the bill in both the houses, govt. does not need mulayam's support for this.
 
Eregu daala gottijji .. Bunts 3b reservation under cover aaper .. 45 job vacancydu general ittini 10 mathra ..yenna 13th rank ittundu .. 3b reservationdu job aand

ah.. i..c. yenk gottujji dala mariya..
 
The reason being given is that the upper castes who are the higher levels are stopping the promotions of low caste officers.

So the system should be tweaked to ensure such discrimination is punished and some sort of merit scheme should be applied based on point format ...ranking a list for promotion.........But the Government is going the opposite direction by ensuring that Caste vote system for future and idiots less qualified than some others will be getting a a piggy ride to the top .


Take China .....There party membership, and the service is taken into consideration ......................yes corruption is rampant.....so what.....WE now have corruption and the GUARANTEE that Caste Certificates will be more valuable than your Bachelor degree marks even in the next century

The question is - who will oppose the reservation in promotions for SC/ST's apart from mulayam?? They are a huge vote bank & any party opposing such move will be making losses in the elections. Mulayam's opposition to this is b'coz it does not include OBC's (& thus the minorities) otherwise he also would have supported such a move. UPA (supporting this move) + BJP (will definitely support the initiative) itself make the nos. needed to pass the bill in both the houses, govt. does not need mulayam's support for this.

What just SC/ST...................After initial exams like PSC or mbbs entrance Exam....Everything should be merit FOR EVERYONE irrespective of caste or religion..............Just start up reservation to level the playing field
 
The question is - who will oppose the reservation in promotions for SC/ST's apart from mulayam?? They are a huge vote bank & any party opposing such move will be making losses in the elections. Mulayam's opposition to this is b'coz it does not include OBC's (& thus the minorities) otherwise he also would have supported such a move. UPA (supporting this move) + BJP (will definitely support the initiative) itself make the nos. needed to pass the bill in both the houses, govt. does not need mulayam's support for this.

i doubt BJP will support this. 'cause main beneficiary will be congress & BSP. They will somehow find an excuse & send it back to the standing committee. Then again I could be wrong... off late things have always gone against the general interest of the nation.
 
What is going on in our country? I think its time Govt should remove Right to equality. Is this equality? You already have given 50% reservation in colleges and a big percentage in govt jobs too. This govt does not at all care about its people. Will sonia gandhi ever go to AIIMS for her treatment or for that matter any govt hospital?? The aam aamdi is not sonia gandhi who can go abroad to get himself treated. We the general people are at the receiving end of all this. A guy who gets 90% in his +2 is not able to secure admission in a top notch college but a reserved students who gets 70% is able to get admission? Is this fair? Due to this reservation general students feel cheated by the system and indulge in unfair practices. So many cases have emerged where meritorious students have paid lakhs of rupees to get admission. And i dont blame them if they go abroad for better opportunities. Then dare if this govt talk about brain-drain. This reservation will ruin India and it will lead to a bigger divide between the people.
 
Who ever occupies lanka becomes a Ravan. This curse of reservation will haunt us forever.
 
there is already free education, free books, 49% reservation in colleges ,reservation in getting jobs ......now you want to give them reservation in promotions as well .......:woot:

thousands of years of discrimination cannot be washed away in a few decades. These steps will not only reduce discrimination but will also reduce the spread of maoism.
 
i doubt BJP will support this. 'cause main beneficiary will be congress & BSP. They will somehow find an excuse & send it back to the standing committee. Then again I could be wrong... off late things have always gone against the general interest of the nation.

Quotas in promotions: No party is willing to say ‘no’

At the all-party meeting convened by the Prime Minister to discuss quotas for the scheduled castes and tribes (SC/ST) in promotions, only the Samajwadi Party was clear in its opposition.

It’s only vocal supporter is the Bahujan Samaj Party (BSP) – for obvious reasons.

But almost nobody else was willing to take a stand clearly against it. The PM merely sought the opposition’s “valuable suggestions” to get around the Supreme Court’s verdict in April striking down a Uttar Pradesh decision to provide quotas in promotions.

The BJP, while paying lip-service to the upliftment of the weaker sections, muttered caveats about adhering to constitutional and legal norms. The Left too made similar proforma statements (Read here).

The undertone is clear: no party, barring the BSP, really wants to do this, but vote-bank politics is forcing them to bury their real views.

Mayawati has been at the forefront asking for a constitutional amendment to ensure reservations in promotions. AFP
The Congress is running with the hare and hunting with the hounds – since both the BSP and the Samajwadi Party are UPA backers, with one of them for it and the other against.

Every party (other than the BSP) realises that the bill to ensure this will be disliked by its base. As a senior BJP leader told Firstpost on condition of anonymity: “If you ask me privately the proposal for such a bill must not be supported. Quota in promotion, after already giving them (SC/STs) one for entry into a job, is not justified. More so because the long-term implications are unhealthy both for the structure and for governance. But that certainly can’t be our public view. We have to support, or at least seen to be supporting the idea, of advancement of SCs and STs. Remember, we have good support among these communities.”

The Congress, which traditionally has had the support of these communities, is trying to pilot the bill, to get even with BSP leader Mayawati in the game of political brinkmanship. A Congress leader said the UPA government needed to go with this bill. “It was after all the Congress which had provided reservations for Dalits and tribals at all levels. Now we can’t be seen to be lagging behind. We understand some of its adverse implications but in a democracy where you have to go to the electorate after quick intervals, one needs to be pragmatic.”

Mayawati has been at the forefront asking for a constitutional amendment to ensure reservations in promotions. The problem arose after the Supreme Court, on 27 April, in a case involving the UP Power Corporation vs Rajesh Kumar & Others, struck down a clause for reservations in promotion to SCs and STs in UP.

The Samajwadi Party says if quotas are given to SC/STs in promotion, the same have to be given to other backward classes (OBCs) as well. It also says that Muslims won’t be benefited from the reservations. According to the SP, OBCs constitute 52 percent of the population and if quotas are given to SC/STs, OBCs will be the worst impacted by this.

The Prime Minister, in his opening remarks, said he was seeking the counsel of all parties to discuss a way out of the Supreme Court’s order. Singh asked the parties to provide “valuable suggestions so that a legally sustainable solution may be arrived at”.

Though no formal announcement was made after the meeting, a minister said the government will try to present a bill by end of the monsoon session. With parliamentary proceedings being disrupted on the BJP’s insistence that Manmohan Singh resign over Coalgate, legislative work is no longer a priority for the government and the opposition. In this case it suits them fine.

“You may be aware that the government has always been committed to protect the interests of the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes and on certain occasions did not hesitate even to bring constitutional amendments,” the PM said at the meeting.

The Supreme Court, in its 1992 judgment in the Indra Sawhney case, had held that reservations in promotions are ultra vires of the Constitution, but allowed its continuation for five years as a special case. The 77th amendment to the Constitution was made in 1995 to insert clause (4A) to Article 16 before the five-year period expired to continue with reservations for SC/STs in promotions. Clause (4A) was further modified through the 85th amendment so as to give the benefit of consequential seniority to SC/ST candidates promoted by reservation, he explained.

Singh went to some length to explain the legal position. The 81st amendment was made to the Constitution whereby clause (4/B) was incorporated in Article 16 to permit the government to treat the backlog of reserved vacancies as a separate and distinct group, to which the limit of 50 percent ceiling on reservation may not apply. The 82nd amendment incorporated a proviso in Article 335 to enable states to give relaxations/concessions to SC/ST candidates in matters of promotion.

These aforesaid four Constitutional amendments were made in order to protect the interests of the backward classes, including SC/STs. The validity of all these four amendments was challenged before the Supreme Court through various writ petitions clubbed together in M Nagaraj & Others vs. Union of India & Others, mainly on the ground that these altered the basic structure of the Constitution.

The Supreme Court upheld these four amendments but stipulated that the concerned state will have to show in each case the existence of compelling reasons, namely, backwardness, inadequacy of representation and overall administrative efficiency, before making provisions for reservation. The court further held that the impugned provision is an enabling provision. If a state government wishes to make provisions for reservation to SC/STs in promotion, the state has to collect quantifiable data showing backwardness of the class and inadequacy of representation of that class.

No party, of course, is planning to prove any such thing. In electoral politics, quota politics has always needed no proof.
 
Reservation should be reserved to economically backward people ..caste and religion should have no place in reservation
 
thousands of years of discrimination cannot be washed away in a few decades. These steps will not only reduce discrimination but will also reduce the spread of maoism.
does not make a single iota difference to me ...wanna destroy this country... fine ..cuz I am leaving :azn:
 
thousands of years of discrimination cannot be washed away in a few decades. These steps will not only reduce discrimination but will also reduce the spread of maoism.

But why on the basis of caste and religion? should not the gov give more importance to reservation on economic base? I have many backward class friends who have three/four family members enjoying govt service,enjoyed fee and age relaxation while filling up every kind of admission and application forms. Do they need more reservation so that they dont become maoist? Days are coming when general caste people will start a war against discrimination.
 
I think reservations for dalits are fine, for another few years we should continue this.
Dalits were supressed for thousands of years, This natually made them economically backword and they are not much in main stream.

So, now whats wrong in giving them some credit when we opressed them for years and years only that made them backword?
 
thousands of years of discrimination cannot be washed away in a few decades. These steps will not only reduce discrimination but will also reduce the spread of maoism.

So it will be okay if tomorrow US passes a law by which Blacks will be given promotions faster than non-Blacks and you will applaud your Black colleague for getting his promotion through this law eventhough you worked harder than him.
 
thousands of years of discrimination cannot be washed away in a few decades. These steps will not only reduce discrimination but will also reduce the spread of maoism.

The way i look at it.. this only encourages the section of society to stay under the caste barrier. right way to go about will be their social, educational & economic upliftment of underprivileged...be it from any caste or creed. By providing them with exemption will only make them not work hard as people from other class to achieve their goal. You gain entry to the job through quota system.. that should be more than enough.. after that you have to make most of the opertunity you got through the system. Work hard to gain promotion.

This in effect will never abolish this menace of caste based discrimination & close the gap. Infact it will widen. We have a classic example of Meena & Gujjar conflict in Rajastan. Fight is all about Gujjar's wanting to be considered as people from lower class.. just to benefit from the quota system.
 
But why on the basis of caste and religion? should not the gov give more importance to reservation on economic base? I have many backward class friends who have three/four family members enjoying govt service,enjoyed fee relaxation while filling up every kind of admission and application forms. Do they need more reservation so that they dont become maoist?

You are talking about only one side. I can show thousands of poor dalits who are backword only because they were opressed long before.
 
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