Renaissance of Bengali Hindu and the Subversion"

[Roybot]

Must be some Bhojpuri which Md Akmal picked up ....he aint no Bengali after-all . In all my time of watching Bengali movies I haven't heard such expressions ever .

Am sure it must be from one of the B-Grade Bhojpuri movies , if at all it exists... ...

Don't be dissing bhojpuri bro I am a bhojpuria! and no no such words in Bhojpuri either.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Unlike you we can watch Indian TV channel here. Those are filled with Hindi. Even 30% songs in any music programme are Hindi. People speak Banglish, Banghind etc. Moreover, they extensively use Calcutta dialect instead of pure Bengali in news broadcasting. The only channel which I found uses very good pure Bangla is DD.

We get Bangladesh Channels too --- Local cable operators often provide such services . I 'm sure you get Bengali channels like ETV broadcast in your regions too , I often hear program timings like ---- Am Kolkata ....------ AM Dhaka .

I have heard loads of Bangladeshi artists on TV too ...

In fact several artists like Bikram Ghosh make albums which air a lot over BD .

I dont know if you receive Hindi channels in BD but Bengali channels and films here dont deviate from Bengali Culture. Of course like Bollywood flicks which introduce english lines to add more spice , Bengali films here ( Tollywood ) may occasionally add an English or Hindi line to add spice.

However I hardly ever find such stuff in real art films , which is what the Tollywood industry is known for . Check out films by Ritupaurno Ghosh like award winning directors --I doubt you would find any language other than Bengali ---even sometimes Shadhu Bhasha in the films .

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Don't be dissing bhojpuri bro I am a bhojpuria! and no no such words in Bhojpuri either.

Not dissing bro !!!!! How can I when our beloved Mithun Da ( Mithun Chakraborty ) is so active in the industry . . I find Bojpuri flicks quite hilarious for time paas

But you kind of validate my point --- those words were quite made up , another one of those wild ideas by our BD friends here ..

 

[TopCat]

We get Bangladesh Channels too --- Local cable operators often provide such services . I 'm sure you get Bengali channels like ETV broadcast in your regions too , I often hear program timings like ---- Am Kolkata ....------ AM Dhaka .

I have heard loads of Bangladeshi artists on TV too ...

In fact several artists like Bikram Ghosh make albums which air a lot over BD .

I dont know if you receive Hindi channels in BD but Bengali channels and films here dont deviate from Bengali Culture. Of course like Bollywood flicks which introduce english lines to add more spice , Bengali films here ( Tollywood ) may occasionally add an English or Hindi line to add spice.

However I hardly ever find such stuff in real art films , which is what the Tollywood industry is known for . Check out films by Ritupaurno Ghosh like award winning directors --I doubt you would find any language other than Bengali ---even sometimes Shadhu Bhasha in the films .

Individual art film dont reflect the socio cultural event of a society rather it focuses on particular subject matter and well managed.

What I wanted to say, the drawing room culture of Indian west bengal which is highly influenced by Hindi and correctly reflected on their TV channels.
Yes we do receive Hindi channels as well. Not only that the cable operator tries to cover almost every language, Urdu, Hindi, Farsi, Korean, Russians, Germans, Chinese etc. Atleast my cable operator tries to do that, may be not correct in the villages.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

Individual art film dont reflect the socio cultural event of a society rather it focuses on particular subject matter and well managed.

What I wanted to say, the drawing room culture of Indian west bengal which is highly influenced by Hindi and correctly reflected on their TV channels.
Yes we do receive Hindi channels as well. Not only that the cable operator tries to cover almost every language, Urdu, Hindi, Farsi, Korean, Russians, Germans, Chinese etc. Atleast my cable operator tries to do that, may be not correct in the villages.

Its good to know ....

But see since we( all regions of India) all live in a single country its not very uncommon or unusual to have several channels , ---Hindi Saas Bahu serials , Gemini TV and Sun TV showing Telegu and Tamil serials , Alpha TV --punjabi serials etc shown in our drawing rooms .

Bangalis here are quite proud of their culture , traditions and preserve it well . But that does not mean we dont try to learn , understand and try to find commonality with Hindi culture as you call it . Its the reason we have a strong Indian identity besides our respective ethnic identities , and reasonably it's the reason we are so integrated. Our balance of ethnic and national identity is quite good if you see objectively.

I would clarify one point though --- This " Hindi " culture you are referring too is not all-encompassing . It doesn't technically exist . There is Bihari culture , Marwari culture , Gujrati culture , Punjabi Culture etc ...and they all have their points of difference as much as Bengali or Assamese ( Ahomiyo ) culture .

We are proud to exist in such a Multi-cultural environment , where people of different cultures can live so peace ably and blend in so well

I for one , would view this as a positive not a negative ...

 

[TopCat]

Well, I know as well as you know what I tried to say. No matter how may ways you want to bring allebie for that. For the national identity if you need to speak half hindi, dress like half naked and fill your TV channels with Hindis then I totally disagree. There is no conflict being a Indian Bengali and Indian, I was only talking about cultural invasion.

 

[nForce]

Unlike you we can watch Indian TV channel here. Those are filled with Hindi. Even 30% songs in any music programme are Hindi. People speak Banglish, Banghind etc. Moreover, they extensively use Calcutta dialect instead of pure Bengali in news broadcasting. The only channel which I found uses very good pure Bangla is DD.

There is nothing called pure Bengali dialect.There are just different dialects.Even in West Bengal,there are different dialects of Bengali,one type spoken in Midnapore region,one type in Bankura-Purulia-Birbhum region,one in Kolkata-24Parganas region.There are a few other dialects too.I myself can speak Bengali in two different dialects,totally different from one another.The dialect used in Bangladesh is more common known as the Dhakai-accent here.

 

[Roybot]

Well, I know as well as you know what I tried to say. No matter how may ways you want to bring allebie for that. For the national identity if you need to speak half hindi, dress like half naked and fill your TV channels with Hindis then I totally disagree. There is no conflict being a Indian Bengali and Indian, I was only talking about cultural invasion.

I wouldn't term it cultural invasion as such. People get influenced by neighbouring cultures, works both ways, has been happening for centuries. You need to see how many Saas Bahu hind soap operas have Bengali theme and a lot of Bangla dialogues. Same goes with Bollywood movies.

A hindi speaking person can easily understand a lot of Bangla and vice versa. Why do you think that is? Hindi and Bengali, both cultures and languages have a lot in common for it to be called cultural invasion.

 

[LaBong]

Unlike you we can watch Indian TV channel here. Those are filled with Hindi. Even 30% songs in any music programme are Hindi. People speak Banglish, Banghind etc. Moreover, they extensively use Calcutta dialect instead of pure Bengali in news broadcasting. The only channel which I found uses very good pure Bangla is DD.

What the eff in devil's name are you rambling about? Calcutta dialect(which was formalized in 19th century, yet again at the time Bengali renaissance) is the de facto official Bengali dialect in which the news broadcasters in your country talks.

 

[LaBong]

@ Actually roy_gourav in our country we hardly write any roman hindi/urdu, "Koi jarut nahi parta hai, jaishe ap lok har hamesha karthe hai".

@ Now-a-days some of Indian Bengalee filmmy dialouqes are, " Ek rattki debo" simultenouly the same person repeats it in hindi "ek thudda lagaong ga", so this is the standard of Calcutta Bangla.

Akmal Da you're redefining the standard of Calcutta Bangla, Suniti Kumar Chatujje must be rolling in his grave! :p

 

[LaBong]

Well, I know as well as you know what I tried to say. No matter how may ways you want to bring allebie for that. For the national identity if you need to speak half hindi, dress like half naked and fill your TV channels with Hindis then I totally disagree. There is no conflict being a Indian Bengali and Indian, I was only talking about cultural invasion.

Pray tell me, dear Sir, how do you guys exactly helping to enrich Bengali language, film and literature in recent times, apart from showing giant crocs in Boishakhi mela? All the quality movies being made and books being written are still from West Bengal.

By the try to watch Naukadubi by Rituporno Gosh which is produced by Subhas Ghai, they have made a Hindi version of it as well - Khasm Khas, I hope you wouldn't call it Bengali invasion of Bollywood! :/

 

[toxic_pus]

What I wanted to say, the drawing room culture of Indian west bengal which is highly influenced by Hindi and correctly reflected on their TV channels.

Well, I know as well as you know what I tried to say. No matter how may ways you want to bring allebie for that. For the national identity if you need to speak half hindi, dress like half naked and fill your TV channels with Hindis then I totally disagree. There is no conflict being a Indian Bengali and Indian, I was only talking about cultural invasion.

Quit pretending that you know anything about Indian Bengalis, particularly the ones from West Bengal. You don't. You are making assumptions that are not waded in reality. And no, there is no 'cultural invasion', no matter how you wish it was. And if Bollywood is the index for measuring 'cultural invasion' then, it has made it's foray well into Bangladesh. I suppose you are under 'cultural invasion' as well. We have an excuse. What's yours?

 

[LaBong]

Bangladeshis need to stop watching Sash Bahu serials which are made for bored housewives, try something new, like Gaan er Opaare.

 

[eastwatch]

Listen dude, your post is as synonymous as the point made by Gonjo which is ancient pride. Claiming Bangali history didn't almost exist before the british came (renaissance) is as pathetic as the ones over here claiming similar stuffs from Bangladesh.

Listen to this song, now does that sound similar to you? Over-enthusiastics will claim Tagore nakedly copied the Anthem from our Lalon but some call it influence.

[video]http://www.esnips.com/doc/da168330-70f1-4914-919d-03b60ba25217[/video]

Anyways those stuffs aren't valid anymore, History is
being made now so no point in fist-fights.

To tell you frankly, I could not understand what really you wanted to say in your post. But, let me clear you about the National Anthem of Bangladesh and its melody.

1) What we know today as our National Anthem was written by Tagore as a poem and not as a song. It means it was not given a melody at the time of its writing.

2) I do not remember exactly until when, but this poem was mostly recited by the school students in a poetric form, because there was no melody for it.

3) Then came a time when we heard some one talented has composed a melody for the poem. So, we got a national anthem with a melody.

4) A few years ago, I was watching an Indian Bangla movie about the lives of Baishnavs of Bengal. The name was perhaps Raikamal.

5) The film had many many songs, and to my surprise I came across a song whose melody is exactly same as our national anthem written by Tagore. I checked the production date of that film. It was about 1952 or 1953.

6) It means that someone in Bangladesh had fraudanly stolen the melody from that 1952/53 film song and imposed that to the NA. What a shame this is for the people of bangladesh.

7) The guy who has stolen the melody thought people will not find out his theft because the film was very old and was also not that popular.

 

[LaBong]

Tagore did use many Scottish folk melodies in his songs, but he used simply because he liked them and didn't try to hide the it. Phoole Phoole Dhoole Dhoole is an example. Tagore also was heavily influenced by Lalon in particular and Bauls in general, infact his family played the pivotal role in bringing Lalon to mainstream.