Religion is a private matter of an individual: DG ISPR

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-china-is-turning-back-to-confucius-1442754000

https://www.ft.com/content/f9d40450-e84e-11db-b2c3-000b5df10621

https://www.economist.com/news/chin...ent-philosophy-support-confucius-says-xi-does

Grab a drink of choice and read ... and search smarter next time as the sources I've quoted are not some small western secular media outlets that are missed easily ... one shouldn't need to spoon feed a hardcore secularist think tank like yourself on such sources!

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http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/03/china-love-confucius-170328144603740.html

when he is asked about a secular or islamic Pakistan he is gonn a chose islamic because majority are religious

 

[Techy Hassan]

As far as news is stated. I read no where, where he said religion is a private matter. He said if some one claims that he is a Muslim then after having said that Its between him and his God.

لعنت اللہ علی الکاذبین

 

[MultaniGuy]

During the early period of Islam, the alcohol was not banned. Before Islam, they were heavy drinkers and it was hard to quit drinking all of the sudden. So Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) gave 20 years of time frame to discourage drinking one at the time.

Even then, not laws were imposed on Muslims because if some people wanted to drink, then they could. Because no coercion is allowed whether in faith, life and general.

Stoning to death for adultery is Arab practice that has been there long before Islam came. And even after Islam came, Islam didn't impose its laws upon the already existing laws which was Arab culture.

To dispute that the stoning to death for adultery is discouraged in the following example; one man came to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to repent for committing adultery. Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) pointed that man to GOD meaning repent to GOD in private and move on. But that man was stubborn until he got his wish which was to be stoned to death as the sign of purging himself which was in spirit of the Arab culture despite advised to repent to GOD in private and move on.

The same culture that promoted burying women alive for honor during the time which also the likes of Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (R.A) did bury his daughter alive for honor killing. After accepting Islam, he repent and cried for his mistreatment to his daughter on the tombstone.

Like slavery and drinking, prostitution too was discouraged. But if one woman practiced prostitution, then it would be between her and GOD. You cannot force her not to practice since the coercion is against Islam and so is judgement which rules out imposed ruling that has nothing to do with the laws and orders.

From the birth of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) to the death of his companionship (R.A), there has never been the laws imposed upon the civilization in regards to faith other than laws and orders. If anything, they focused more the social development like welfare, family benefits, and benefits for disadvantage people.

So-called Shariah laws was coined in 8th century and imposed in 9/10 century which was the purpose of keeping the civilization in control like sheep because the civilization was multiplying thus becoming too challenging. Imposing sharia laws including blasphemy as part of the system was against Islam because Islam is against coercion and the sharia laws is all about imposing and coercion.

One of the biggest challenge was when Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (R.A) was asked to attend to Iraq as leader after the conquest of Iraq. Then, he gave his words for the Christians and Jewish dominated Iraq that no version of Islam or any faith or the matter of ideology would be imposed upon Iraq. In fact, it was declaration confirming that anyone who threatens the spirit of multiculturalism and free to practice expression whether in faith, life and general would be going against Islam, and indeed would be the biggest enemy of GOD.

So that rules out so-called no separation of faith and state. Not to mention 624 years of Sultanate System imposed by its rulers in Ottoman Empire where people from all kinds in terms of ethnicity, faith and background would be allowed to practice the freedom of speech and expression. And those eras were Golden Age of Islam which that concept gifted and lifted Western world from the depression period. During those eras, Ottoman Empire produced bundle of intellectual scientists, thinkers, philosophers, inventors and many more which some of them were heavily engaged in drinking and practiced Sodomite. If they were stoned to death, then the knowledge that we hold on to no longer be there. When western world stopped stoning people to death, only then the knowledge was spread and thus the beginning of the progressive society.


For the end time in Hadiths, Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) warned about Khawarij aka Terrorists that they would try to impose their ideology against the wills of the community regardless of whether the community is Muslim or not, practice Islam in terms of character or not. And they would be from the dog-hell of fire. And the message was clear; kill them by any means necessary for they are anti-peace. And today, Khawarij aka Terrorist-outfits aka ISIS/TTP tries to impose their ideology through bombarding civilians including children and women. TTP alone is responsible for more than 100,000 including children and women in Pakistan just to further its terrorism to promote its ideology which is against Islam in the first place.

Besides, it is common sense why so-called no separation of faith and state is not aligned with Islam because Islam is against coercion in the first place. And anyone who tries to coerce especially in the matter of religion is the biggest enemy of GOD. Let me be perfectly clear; if you try to force Christian, Jewish or Hindu to convert to Islam, then you are the biggest enemy of GOD. You will be right up there along with Khawarij that belong to hell-fire.

No coercion PERIOD. It is no wonder why Arab empire flourished for so long until they imposed Blasphemy Laws in form of Sharia laws which ended their ruling immediately. Then Ottoman Empire flourished with Sultanate System that is in line with the ideology of Separation of faith and state which made inroads for the thriving multiculturalism. And that concept inspired Western world who are now successful following the separation of faith and state.

The moment any nation imposes its ideology upon the nation, and at that moment, that nation can no longer enjoy the favor of GOD. That is what i learned from those patterns. GOD only support the nations, even if it is Christian or Jewish or Hindu that promotes multiculturalism. Because GOD did create all kind of civilizations so we can get to know each other - not to impose on one to another.

Islam is plain clearer truth revealed in clear signs for the people who think and reason doesn't need defenders like you practicing coercion method which gives bad name to Islam and poor impression of A CREATOR, that created us aka mankind with Intelligent and the whole worlds

I do not look at Ottoman empire as a benchmark.

There is no separation of religion and state in Islam.

Don't give bogus examples, which I wont even bother to look at.
What is your opinion on Saudi Arabia?

 

[Mansoon]

There is no separation of religion and state in Islam.

Maybe it was but not anymore

 

[Finer]

I do not look at Ottoman empire as a benchmark.

There is no separation of religion and state in Islam.

Don't give bogus examples, which I wont even bother to look at.
What is your opinion on Saudi Arabia?

You mean several bogus examples like Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) where he pleaded to the community to stop oppressing their community and proposed 'To you is your, and to me is mine' to ensure that people from both side will not be deprived from the freedom of the speech and expression which Muslims at that time wanted the right to practice their faiths in public unopposed.

Or Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (R.A), successor of Abu Bakr (R.A) who succeeded Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), traveled all the way to Iraq to ensure that the rights of citizens in Iraq which at that time were majority Christians dominated would not be deprived of their rights to practice their faiths, their cultures and their ways of life as long as they pay taxes to the government [Caliph]. Not only that, he also issued declaration in line with Islam that anyone from Muslim community who breaks the treaty promised to the Christian dominated civilization in Iraq will be biggest enemy of GOD.

Or Ottoman Empire, also Caliph of ALLAH, that ruled the world for more than 624 years through Sultanate System that is aligned with the progressive side of Islam. Because of that, many scientists, thinkers, philosophers, inventors and many more were born due to the encouragement to reach outside the threshold knowledge of Islam following in the spirit of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)'s words to be precise; anyone who has to go to China to obtain the knowledge, then so be it. Even foreign knowledge are equally important as the knowledge of Islam. For they are knowledge to the source of light, and ignorance is the source of darkness which leads to the downfall of the civilization.

Blasphemy laws was the sign of ignorance that was purported to suppress the rights of civilians in Arab empire in the earlier 10th century didn't last enough. Neither did British Kingdom that employed Blasphemy laws to control the population like sheep. Similarity, this so-called blasphemy law incorporated in Pakistan will not last long either. Even if it means the downfall of Pakistan to sink blasphemy laws along with Pakistan, then so be it. No wonder why Awlia Allah foretold that Greater Pakistan will not be without price [blood]. I am not gonna go into the detail to startle people in Pakistan. May ALLAH have mercy on Pakistan, Aameen!

KSA, originates over the ideology of Wahabbism, that is assumably to be head of Satan as prophesied to originate from Najd will spread corruption to the faith and challenge to the Mahdi [Rightfully Guided] in the nearest future based on the time frame [my research]. The same KSA that betrayed Ottoman Empire to support British Kingdom which led to the formation of Israel. The same KSA that caused the downfall of Ottoman Empire thus weakened the position of Middle East which is now vulnerable to the proxy wars in form of terrorism endlessly.

The fact that the ideology of Wahabbism contradicts to the originality of peaceful Islam in many ways;

* Original peaceful Islam is anti-terrorism.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-extremism.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-blasphemy.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-coercion.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-darkness [ignorance].
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-dictatorship.

Democracy is way forward, and oral election took place that elected Abu Bakr (R.A) by the community to lead the community.

 

[MultaniGuy]

You mean several bogus examples like Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) where he pleaded to the community to stop oppressing their community and proposed 'To you is your, and to me is mine' to ensure that people from both side will not be deprived from the freedom of the speech and expression which Muslims at that time wanted the right to practice their faiths in public unopposed.

Or Umar Ibn Al-Khattab (R.A), successor of Abu Bakr (R.A) who succeeded Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), traveled all the way to Iraq to ensure that the rights of citizens in Iraq which at that time were majority Christians dominated would not be deprived of their rights to practice their faiths, their cultures and their ways of life as long as they pay taxes to the government [Caliph]. Not only that, he also issued declaration in line with Islam that anyone from Muslim community who breaks the treaty promised to the Christian dominated civilization in Iraq will be biggest enemy of GOD.

Or Ottoman Empire, also Caliph of ALLAH, that ruled the world for more than 624 years through Sultanate System that is aligned with the progressive side of Islam. Because of that, many scientists, thinkers, philosophers, inventors and many more were born due to the encouragement to reach outside the threshold knowledge of Islam following in the spirit of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)'s words to be precise; anyone who has to go to China to obtain the knowledge, then so be it. Even foreign knowledge are equally important as the knowledge of Islam. For they are knowledge to the source of light, and ignorance is the source of darkness which leads to the downfall of the civilization.

Blasphemy laws was the sign of ignorance that was purported to suppress the rights of civilians in Arab empire in the earlier 10th century didn't last enough. Neither did British Kingdom that employed Blasphemy laws to control the population like sheep. Similarity, this so-called blasphemy law incorporated in Pakistan will not last long either. Even if it means the downfall of Pakistan to sink blasphemy laws along with Pakistan, then so be it. No wonder why Awlia Allah foretold that Greater Pakistan will not be without price [blood]. I am not gonna go into the detail to startle people in Pakistan. May ALLAH have mercy on Pakistan, Aameen!

KSA, originates over the ideology of Wahabbism, that is assumably to be head of Satan as prophesied to originate from Najd will spread corruption to the faith and challenge to the Mahdi [Rightfully Guided] in the nearest future based on the time frame [my research]. The same KSA that betrayed Ottoman Empire to support British Kingdom which led to the formation of Israel. The same KSA that caused the downfall of Ottoman Empire thus weakened the position of Middle East which is now vulnerable to the proxy wars in form of terrorism endlessly.

The fact that the ideology of Wahabbism contradicts to the originality of peaceful Islam in many ways;

* Original peaceful Islam is anti-terrorism.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-extremism.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-blasphemy.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-coercion.
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-darkness [ignorance].
* Original peaceful Islam is anti-dictatorship.

Democracy is way forward, and oral election took place that elected Abu Bakr (R.A) by the community to lead the community.

First of all there is no such thing as Wahabbism.

It is just Salafism. Salafism is just another term for Sunni Islam.

Secondly, the Ottoman empire should not be used a bench mark for anything.

What about Saudi Arabia?

The Blasphemy laws should stay for obvious reasons.

lol Even Pervez Musharraf said the blasphemy laws should stay.

Have you ever done Hajj? Have you ever lived in Saudi Arabia?

The Ottomans were very corrupt towards the end of their life before that traitor ataturk secularized the country.

The ataturk did save the country(Turkey) from the Greeks and the Allies during WW1.

However I do not know the personal beliefs of the ataturk. Most people say the ataturk was not a Muslim.

 

[BATMAN]

Religion is a private matter... means, we should not take it to street and show off like bigots!
Turbans, flags, holy jewelry, holy signs, holy animals, cursing of first 3 khalifs of Islam, cursing of wives of messenger... etc. etc. all should be kept private. Hell even slaughtering of holy cows should be done discreetly!

 

[MultaniGuy]

Religion is a private matter... means, we should not take it to street and show off like bigots!
Turbans, flags, holy jewelry, holy signs, holy animals, cursing of first 3 khalifs of Islam, cursing of wives of messenger... etc. etc. all should be kept private. Hell even slaughtering of holy cows should be done discreetly!

I am assuming you are being sarcastic

 

[BATMAN]

I am assuming you are being sarcastic

I'm serious and believe people should be allowed to do whatever in private.
In same way any sign of divide and trouble should be removed from street and punished strongly to make examples for others.

 

[The Sandman]

I am assuming you are being sarcastic

He's not Allah don't like when people show off when it comes to worshiping Allah it's almost a SIN!.

I'm sure you must've heard

"neki kar dariya mein daal".

 

[MultaniGuy]

I'm serious and believe people should be allowed to do whatever in private.
In same way any sign of divide and trouble should be removed from street and punished strongly to examples for others.

Actually I do not have a problem with what people do in Private.

Whatever people do in their own homes, is their choice.

But when it comes to public, that is where it is different.

This is what Islam says.

 

[BATMAN]

Actually I do not have a problem with what people do in Private.

Whatever people do in their own homes, is their choice.

But when it comes to public, that is where it is different.

If we don't do define rules, how to behave in public, we'll continue to sink deeper in gutter of backwardness, as we all have witnessed over the past 30 years, or so.

 

[Solomon2]

And Allah clearly has humiliated us. Muslim's are quite literally viewed as roaches.

Are you sure that's the comparison you want to use? I don't think it travels well. For example, the Chinese students I've met viewed roaches as normal inhabitants of their refrigerators and cupboards, while in America -

the phrase roach motel has come to be used as a reference to all traps that use a scent or other form of bait to lure cockroaches into a compartment in which a sticky substance causes them to become trapped. (Wikipedia)

 

[Finer]

First of all there is no such thing as Wahabbism.

It is just Salafism. Salafism is just another term for Sunni Islam.

Wahabism/Salafism falls under the same category. Both offer somewhat similar interpretation such as extremism and barbarism ideology that threatens the integrity of freedom of the rights to practice expression and speech. The right to practice the faith unopposed which is top priority in Islam. Hence the phrase 'To you is Your and To me is Mine'. No one has right to force the faith on you against your wills nor you have right to force the faith on someone else against his/her wills.

And Wahabbism/Salafism is the product of extremism that breeds terrorism as the result hence the sectarian wars in form of terrorism for years ever since Ottoman Empire collapsed.

Secondly, the Ottoman empire should not be used a bench mark for anything.

Ottoman Empire was the representative of ALLAH guided through Auliya Allah. Doesn't matter if you think Ottoman Empire should not be used as benchmark. Regardless of your and mine opinions, Ottoman Empire was rightly guided by the divine of ALLAH through Auliya Allah. Period!

What about Saudi Arabia?

You mean the head of satan that is responsible for terrorism all over the worlds. Not to mention, its alligned with Dajjal given the blatant subtle under the name of 'Third Eye' in their banner. Not to mention, making room for the headquarter of Dajjal located on the hill nearby between Makkah and Medinah - the very same Dajjal aka Antichrist who is biggest enemy of GOD enjoy support from KSA indirectly.

The same KSA that deceived Ottoman Empire which weakened the position of Middle East and made inroads for Israel by supporting British Kingdom against Ottoman Empire. Clearly, you didn't read my lengthy post.

You clearly don't know anything about the background of KSA.

The Blasphemy laws should stay for obvious reasons.

Because Blasphemy laws can carry on making Islam sounds hypocrite by contradicting its own source, right? Why follow Islam when Blasphemy laws and Holy Quran contradicts each other? Following Islam blindly is hypocritical in the light of the blasphemy laws and the clear interpretation of Surah Al-Kafirun.

The reason people follow Islam because Islam is clear of contradiction. But with blasphemy law contradicts Islam completely. I don't wanna be anywhere near the sign of contradiction which is clear sign that Blasphemy laws cannot be possibly from GOD since Holy Quran did make it clear that no coercion in faith, in life [marriage] and in general.

If Holy Quran is the truth, then that rules out blasphemy laws. Otherwise, pitting blasphemy laws against Holy Quran might be asking for trouble.

lol Even Pervez Musharraf said the blasphemy laws should stay. [emoji14]

Who cares what he thinks? If Prophet of ALLAH and his companions (R.A) didn't deem blasphemy laws necessary to be part of Islam, then who are you, Zia-ul-Haq, British Kingdom, and Pervaiz Musharraf to decide on the behalf of Islam?

Have you ever done Hajj? Have you ever lived in Saudi Arabia?

Have you met KSA rulers in private?

The Ottomans were very corrupt towards the end of their life before that traitor ataturk secularized the country.

At the end, they got corrupt hence they were dissolved by the wills of GOD. When they ruled the world for more than 624 years, that was Golden period of Islam gave the concept of multiculturalism, liberalism/secularism, knowledge/progression because they followed the spirit of Islam closely through Sultanate System. Hence we are at the point where we can enjoy the invention of technology thanks to the past works of Muslim scientists reserved by Western world who then turned into good use. And voila!

The ataturk did save the country(Turkey) from the Greeks and the Allies during WW1.

Ataturk saved Turkey at the expense of Ottoman Empire. But he was put in the position so he did the best he could given the collapse of Ottoman Empire thanks to largely betrayal of Arab regions led by the origin of Najd family from Najd which their predecessors now sit at Riyadh.

Did you know Riyadh former name is Najd? There head of satan will rise, and it will spread fitna throughout the Muslim worlds. Wahabbism is born and sectarian wars in form of terrorism now plagues the Muslim world. And the very same will revolt against Rightly Guided leader [Mahdi] in the distinct future. Just like they betrayed Ottoman Empire and misled Arab world.

However I do not know the personal beliefs of the ataturk. Most people say the ataturk was not a Muslim.

He was liberal Muslim. And people are paranoid about the concept of liberalism despite the strong presence of liberalism in the past that gave the glimmer of Golden Age of Islam goes unnoticed ironically.

 

[Adonis]

Religion is a private matter of an individual: DG ISPR

It's good to see an institution from a country which was created in the name of a religion and which itself used religion as a state policy for long is finally coming to terms. Hope there will be some action on ground to reduce fundamentalism and eventually the peace will prevail.