Recruitment of Muslim sweepers affects cleanliness at KP hospitals

[WhyCry]

Well let's face it, we have a problem like every society has and we need to solve it maturely. And don't worry about some loose mouthed indians criticising us while there's much worse where Christians priests are routinely burnt alive and Muslims are lynched for the suspicion of having beef in their homes. So just ignore them and enjoy a cow steaks in our homes safely and happily.

Some of if did happen and I am not going to fire back.I accept. But if the law of the land says it unlawful then it is. I do think personally that it should be allowed but the law should be followed no matter what.

Enjoy your steak.

 

[war&peace]

Some of if did happen and I am not going to fire back.I accept. But if the law of the land says it unlawful then it is. I do think personally that it should be allowed but the law should be followed no matter what.

Enjoy your steak.

That's why I used the word "some indians" deliberately, because I know that not all are the same. By the way, first that law is a trash and should be thrown in the dust bin immediately and quite a hypocritical for a country that claims to be secular and allowing gay marriages etc... so this law of course targets non-hindus. Also nobody should be allowed to take the law in their hands and should have punished with capital punishment.

 

[haviZsultan]

Though I am with you on the humanity perspective but I have a real problem with some of your stuff.

Let me clarify, Both India and pakistan were made from the same fabric of society. There were well defined boundaries with respect to religion, class and caste with in the society. With both states getting the independence, India capitalized on the diversity but putting all the taboo's out of the context of law. Even to call a person with caste of shudra was a offense. You can only call them Harijans. Muslims were pleased to provide under the muslim personal law board (not a good thing but that was the unifying force). Christians and parsis are provided more flexibility and to open their religion to others (Just to highlight that parsi population is decreasing so they are acting match maker by providing public gatherings for them- Not that I agree of it personally).

I am not going to say of pakistan as I don't want to do a good and bad comparison.



How on earth are you a secularist and liberal. Secularism means that not to distinguish based on religion. when you say he is a butcher of Muslims and Christians. You don't even know what you are saying. when you cannot get a fact don't copy over from your media and stick it here. Freaking people died in those riots and their religions. If you wish to know more I will be more than enough helpful to provide the same. I was in gujarat and in ahmedabad itself when this happened.

Don't label your ignorance as facts.

Regardless of our views the mullahs or the sadhus should not have power over state craft. India and Indians do not acknowledge that there is fanaticism in India as there is in Pakistan. I wanted to argue against that. I hope I have made my point. Secularism means equal laws for all. India attempted it, Pakistan did too in its initial years though it failed miserably as Ayub Khan and others turned Pakistan into a mullah republic.

If Gandhi had lived true secularism could have flourished. But now the battleground of Indian politics is reactionary and orthodox at best.

 

[WhyCry]

That's why I used the word "some indians" deliberately, because I know that not all are the same. By the way, first that law is a trash and should be thrown in the dust bin immediately and quite a hypocritical for a country that claims to be secular and allowing gay marriages etc... so this law of course targets non-hindus. Also nobody should be allowed to take the law in their hands and should have punished with capital punishment.

1. Law is law. It can be debatable but has to be followed. You might choose not to but I preach that since its applicable to all.
2. India is a very vast country. I can get you communities (not just people -in either religions) that do and don't eat beef i.e I can get you kashmiri muslims that don't eat beef and can get you punjabi's that have no holds barred.

Also nobody should be allowed to take the law in their hands and should have punished with capital punishment.

You are contradicting your first statement.

 

[war&peace]

1. Law is law. It can be debatable but has to be followed. You might choose not to but I preach that since its applicable to all.
2. India is a very vast country. I can get you communities (not just people -in either religions) that do and don't eat beef i.e I can get you kashmiri muslims that don't eat beef and can get you punjabi's that have no holds barred.



You are contradicting your first statement.

Don't try to alter meanings whatever and whoever you are and stop lying. I mean how come they lynch an old Muslim man just on the suspicion, if they had any problem...at max they could have reported to the police and that's it. The max punishment for keeping a piece of cow would be a fine of hundred Rs and that's it. How come you are defending their inhuman and shameless act. Does your religion only teach to hate and kill someone who eats meat while choice of food is just a basic human right. Clearly I meant by the hindu terrorist mob that lynched an innocent and an old Muslim.
Furthermore, if some people do not eat beef that does not mean you can impose it on others by making it a law. Nobody is forcing them to eat beef either. I have Kashmiri friends who eat beef and actually they eat more than me.

 

[WhyCry]

Regardless of our views the mullahs or the sadhus should not have power over state craft. India and Indians do not acknowledge that there is fanaticism in India as there is in Pakistan. I wanted to argue against that. I hope I have made my point. Secularism means equal laws for all. India attempted it, Pakistan did too in its initial years though it failed miserably as Ayub Khan and others turned Pakistan into a mullah republic.

If Gandhi had lived true secularism could have flourished. But now the battleground of Indian politics is reactionary and orthodox at best.

I would appreciate if you could elaborate your argument of fanaticism and how it is a part of statecraft.

Yes on the political arena India has big fault lines based on the caste (not religion) as there is preference to low caste people to improve presentation in field of education and government jobs. Patels are currently agitating to be added to that list of OBC (known as other backward classes). Bihar elections were won by Nitish kumar on the bases that Mr. Modi will remove reservation (there is a government act for that). Bihar boosts the most applicants for IAS, IPS and IIT-JEE so they benefit the most from this. Also there is ST/SC quota of 5% and 7% which works in their favor as well.

They are asking to be degraded them to qualify for those benefits.Its a known hot potato for india.

 

[Spring Onion]

If you recruit Christians as sweepers its is a Discrimination

If you recruit Muslims as sweepers it is a Discrimination

My suggestion is let the patients' family members do the job at least they would get clean rooms and washrooms.

 

[WhyCry]

Don't try to alter meanings whatever and whoever you are and stop lying. I mean how come they lynch an old Muslim man just on the suspicion, if they had any problem...at max they could have reported to the police and that's it. The max punishment for keeping a piece of cow would be a fine of hundred Rs and that's it. How come you are defending their inhuman and shameless act. Does your religion only teach to hate and kill someone who eats meat while choice of food is just a basic human right. Clearly I meant by the hindu terrorist mob that lynched an innocent and an old Muslim.
Furthermore, if some people do not eat beef that does not mean you can impose it on others by making it a law. Nobody is forcing them to eat beef either. I have Kashmiri friends who eat beef and actually they eat more than me.

I don't think you understood what I said. both the people in the mob and the beef eater should be prosecuted under the law. their punishment is decided under the law.

Neither the mob had the power to lynch and kill another person. Muslim or not. Not to troll but to even collect fine (even if applicable). It is a heinous act.

As to your statement of "first that law is a trash and should be thrown in the dust bin immediately" and "Also nobody should be allowed to take the law in their hands and should have punished with capital punishment." are contradicting. It is not going to happen that muslims can be allowed not to follow law and others should have capital punishment for not following. This happened because of no or less faith in law. I blame state government for this. They are responsible for abiding the law and order.

 

[Spring Onion]

Some of if did happen and I am not going to fire back.I accept. But if the law of the land says it unlawful then it is. I do think personally that it should be allowed but the law should be followed no matter what.

Enjoy your steak.

According to the beef law in some of the states it was NOT a DEATH Penalty. Law can be debatable but mob justice cant be neither can be justified

 

[WhyCry]

According to the beef law in some of the states it was NOT a DEATH Penalty. Law can be debatable but mob justice cant be neither can be justified

Neither I am justifying, I would want them to be prosecuted under murder.

 

[Spring Onion]

That's actually very relieving news but I think you got what I was trying to convey that govt should not promote discrimination at any level (both higher and lower)
Now expecting Pakistan to remove religious obligation for prime jobs such as prime minister and president

I think we should allow non-Muslim Pakistani Prez and PM not a big issue in my personal opinion.

As far as this cleaning job well we had been Muslims as sweepers in KpK since many decades along with our Christian brothers and sisters.

And trust me they have much better pay than many educated Muslims doing other "GOOD" jobs


Anyway my concern is that there are no adequate steps for education of all in Pakistan specially non-Muslims. As long as they are in poverty they are not going to get good education or education at all resulting in no jobs or this one.

The employment situation is worsening already and even most educated Muslims are ready to do any job.

The crux is that if government failed to change social status of the masses then no improvement is going to take place. This is not the case of discrimination but case of competition for survival

 

[leftfordead]

We should be ashamed of this. Why should Christians have only menial jobs while the muslims get the good jobs. Are christians merely fit for being sweepers. Disgrace which shows how deeply bigoted our people are.

almost every reply from you, I see that you are ashamed of things , sometimes you are ashamed to be a Urdu Speaker, Muhajir , and whatever .. Dude if you are so ashamed on your existence than why don't you commit Suicide ? you don't have live with so much shame .. let us the Evil people stay alive ..

 

[pak-marine]

Not just in peshawar its an Open secret all over the country only christian and hindus are employed in sewage handling business they are called "choras or jamadars" no .. Prob once shias or barelvis are employed this may become a concern for the selfish lot , unless it doesnt affect us personally we have zero concern ... What is the term for such a group of people i will ask someone to enlighten us !

 

[axisofevil]

This stupid ad was changed after online criticism and new ad didnot have the religion restriction

LOL....but this was the standard hiring practice for decades.....so sad...

 

[AbRaj]

I think we should allow non-Muslim Pakistani Prez and PM not a big issue in my personal opinion.

As far as this cleaning job well we had been Muslims as sweepers in KpK since many decades along with our Christian brothers and sisters.

And trust me they have much better pay than many educated Muslims doing other "GOOD" jobs


Anyway my concern is that there are no adequate steps for education of all in Pakistan specially non-Muslims. As long as they are in poverty they are not going to get good education or education at all resulting in no jobs or this one.

The employment situation is worsening already and even most educated Muslims are ready to do any job.

The crux is that if government failed to change social status of the masses then no improvement is going to take place. This is not the case of discrimination but case of competition for survival

Sir/madam as you know unemployment is not uncommon in our subcontinent, what you said is correct mostly but we must have to do some thing to change the status quo. as @hinduguy once said, we who are not at the receiving end of such practices including cast based discrimination are unaware of such things

almost every reply from you, I see that you are ashamed of things , sometimes you are ashamed to be a Urdu Speaker, Muhajir , and whatever .. Dude if you are so ashamed on your existence than why don't you commit Suicide ? you don't have live with so much shame .. let us the Evil people stay alive ..

At least he is ashamed of bad things unlike you.
Btw committing suicide is against Islam and promoting it is punishable offense in most of countries

That's why I used the word "some indians" deliberately, because I know that not all are the same. By the way, first that law is a trash and should be thrown in the dust bin immediately and quite a hypocritical for a country that claims to be secular and allowing gay marriages etc... so this law of course targets non-hindus. Also nobody should be allowed to take the law in their hands and should have punished with capital punishment.

Not only non Hindus but many Hindus too
It's an ancient law and should be changed asap, no denying that.
That said it's just for Cows. We have a lot of other options to compensate