Recruitment of Muslim sweepers affects cleanliness at KP hospitals

[haviZsultan]

We should be ashamed of this. Why should Christians have only menial jobs while the muslims get the good jobs. Are christians merely fit for being sweepers. Disgrace which shows how deeply bigoted our people are.

 

[AbRaj]

This stupid ad was changed after online criticism and new ad didnot have the religion restriction

That's actually very relieving news but I think you got what I was trying to convey that govt should not promote discrimination at any level (both higher and lower)
Now expecting Pakistan to remove religious obligation for prime jobs such as prime minister and president

 

[Zibago]

We should be ashamed of this. Why should Christians have only menial jobs while the muslims get the good jobs. Are christians merely fit for being sweepers. Disgrace which shows how deeply bigoted our people are.

Guess what ANP,Fazlu political recruitment did
http://www.newspakistan.tv/politically-inducted-muslim-sweepers-refused-work-kpk-health-sec-told/

Yep لوگ ان برتنوں کو ھاتھ نھیں لگاتے جس کو عیسایی چھوے پھر ٹرمپ کو مسلم مخالف کھتے شرم نھیں آتی?

 

[haviZsultan]

Not until recently. A couple of generations of murderous bigotry-inspired attacks from a neighboring country is going to inspire some bigotry in response.

A slave of India always has to be a typical American. India is worse or as bad as Pakistan in this regard. The problem is people like you who support one group over the other without thinking what the said nation has done. Modi has been offered better F-16's than Pakistan despite the fact he is a butcher of Muslims and Christians. Daily there are incidences of churches burned in India-most often in Orissa but it is ignored by the media. Our own family escaped from said country with hearts in their mouth.

I am not going to support this act obviously but its a naked man calling another man naked. India has always escaped scrutiny from its human rights violations and bigotry against minorities. Pakistan must not follow her example and treat christians well.

Guess what ANP,Fazlu political recruitment did
http://www.newspakistan.tv/politically-inducted-muslim-sweepers-refused-work-kpk-health-sec-told/

Yep لوگ ان برتنوں کو ھاتھ نھیں لگاتے جس کو عیسایی چھوے پھر ٹرمپ کو مسلم مخالف کھتے شرم نھیں آتی?

I don't see how religion can merely make a person a better or worse sweeper. This will do a lot of harm to the integration of minorities as equal and accepted Pakistani citizens. A christian leader has already commented on this focus on sweepers being christian and doctors being muslim and the mental bias this represents. The people who wanted only christians for menial jobs themselves don't know how bigoted they are. They think this is very normal.

 

[Jaanbaz]

We should be ashamed of this. Why should Christians have only menial jobs while the muslims get the good jobs. Are christians merely fit for being sweepers. Disgrace which shows how deeply bigoted our people are.

Its a disgusting way of keeping the minorities poor, generations upon generations being raised and taught to only aim for being the local sweeper. This is state and society imposed discrimination.

 

[Solomon2]

A slave of India always has to be a typical American.

Perhaps - but that doesn't get Pakistan off the hook, either.

India is worse or as bad as Pakistan in this regard.

The proof is in the pudding: India harbors a growing Muslim community whereas the minority population in Pakistan continues to shrink.

...India has always escaped scrutiny from its human rights violations and bigotry against minorities. Pakistan must not follow her example and treat christians well.

I, too, am frustrated at the "pass" India has received over decades. Until the 1965 war Pakistan was more respectable than India was, I think.

I don't see how religion can merely make a person a better or worse sweeper.

Religion usually has a lot to say about one's tree of values. From what I've read, Pakistan does not provide Muslims with unbiased, illuminating studies between different religions or even (as Dawn described a few years ago) creeds within Islam.

 

[halupridol]

Perhaps - but that doesn't get Pakistan off the hook, either.

The proof is in the pudding: India harbors a growing Muslim community whereas the minority population in Pakistan continues to shrink.

I, too, am frustrated at the "pass" India has received over decades. Until the 1965 war Pakistan was more respectable than India was, I think.

Religion usually has a lot to say about one's tree of values. From what I've read, Pakistan does not provide Muslims with unbiased, illuminating studies between different religions or even (as Dawn described a few years ago) creeds within Islam.

lol,,,u know what,,,, after so much "oppression" his family members still prefer to live in India(lucknow) after 60+ years,,,,even after his regular visits to India,,he has not been able to convince thm tht Islamic republic of Pakistan(exclusively made for oppressed muslims of british India) is better thn very very bad India.

 

[AbRaj]

lol,,,u know what,,,, after so much "oppression" his family members still prefer to live in India(lucknow) after 60+ years,,,,even after his regular visits to India,,he has not been able to convince thm tht Islamic republic of Pakistan(exclusively made for oppressed muslims of british India) is better thn very very bad India.

 

[haviZsultan]

Perhaps - but that doesn't get Pakistan off the hook, either.

The proof is in the pudding: India harbors a growing Muslim community whereas the minority population in Pakistan continues to shrink.

I, too, am frustrated at the "pass" India has received over decades. Until the 1965 war Pakistan was more respectable than India was, I think.

Religion usually has a lot to say about one's tree of values. From what I've read, Pakistan does not provide Muslims with unbiased, illuminating studies between different religions or even (as Dawn described a few years ago) creeds within Islam.

You should read my previous post. As a secularist and as a liberal patriot I condemn the kind of things being done in Pakistan in the name of one religion including the systematic hate campaign and smearing of the Christian name. Christians are lions who produced Cecil Chaudhry, Joseph Pottan and Cornelius among other heroes of Pakistan. This stigmatization is the work of arrogant mullahs who were once supported by the US.

But America has to answer for her crimes, for hoisting up a dictator like Zia and harboring Islamists during the Soviet war. As a liberal committed to diversity, both ethnic and religious in Pakistan I am appalled by the fact how US is never mentioned when we talk about the wrong doing of my country including its support to Islamists in 80's. The bigger power always gets away and gets let off the hook. The same thing is happening with America and as India's soft power grows it too is getting left off the hook for atrocities it committed.

Families don't move out in thousands or millions unless there is a problem, otherwise my family and relatives would be idiots for moving from lucknow and surrounding areas.

Its a disgusting way of keeping the minorities poor, generations upon generations being raised and taught to only aim for being the local sweeper. This is state and society imposed discrimination.

I agree. I have to convey to you I have a deep respect for Ahmedis and others for their loyalty to Pakistani state despite what fanatical wahabi so called muslims have done with these abused groups. Its an amazing thing, this loyalty to state and nation and the belief that we can build a tommorow for our religion and state combined that is better than today. That hope leads us on. What ZAB and Zia did to minorities is a crime-no more no less.

The people who released this document about Christian sweepers don't even understand how fanatical they are. They do not realize that they are part of the problem. I have come across such people. They think they are the moderates, that they are normal people. But ingrained within them is a kind of hatred for minorities. Solomon is right about the education system even if I despise his perceived ignorance and dilly-dallying over American atrocities in the region. There should be a subject of religious harmony in not only each school but also compulsory in each madrassa. If that does any good considering 40% of Pakistan's population has been to neither school or madrassa. Its a sad state of affairs.

lol,,,u know what,,,, after so much "oppression" his family members still prefer to live in India(lucknow) after 60+ years,,,,even after his regular visits to India,,he has not been able to convince thm tht Islamic republic of Pakistan(exclusively made for oppressed muslims of british India) is better thn very very bad India.

India is an oppressive state that not only kills our people but mocks us when we go to courts to get justice the proof being the Hyderabadi community and the ones killed outside the Andhra Pradesh high courts. As a person committed to giving people leaving Lucknow or other parts asylum in Pakistan from oppression I have known a number of cases. Some years ago there was a protest of ordinary muslims in the border of Rajasthan who wanted to be allowed to go to Pakistan and settle there. So

The difference between India and Pakistan is not that Pakistan is far more oppressive of minorities. The difference is that Indians are currently sitting on a high horse, haughty over non-existant tolerance and pruposely hiding behind them the burning cauldron of hate underneath. If this wasn't so Modi would never have come to power.

And again 3/5th of my relatives are in Lucknow or other parts. The rest migrated. The ones who did not move did not do so out of loyalty to India but out of fear what a new life in Pakistan would hold-some became loyal others still vouch for Pakistan. Those people I know who had relatives killed moved forever to Pakistan. Hafiz Saeed by the way is one of many people who has seen the atrocities. 20-30 people in his entire family were killed. That does not justify his stance though.

 

[WhyCry]

I, too, am frustrated at the "pass" India has received over decades. Until the 1965 war Pakistan was more respectable than India was, I think.

May be. India was in NAM (Non-Aligned Movement) and Pakistan was in USA's corner.

Religion usually has a lot to say about one's tree of values. From what I've read, Pakistan does not provide Muslims with unbiased, illuminating studies between different religions or even (as Dawn described a few years ago) creeds within Islam.

The is true statement. Shia's and Sunni learn different Islamic not just from home but also from school. Not to mention even other books (including physics and chemistry) are given Islamic angle. Ahmedis....I don't wanna go there.

 

[halupridol]

A

You should read my previous post. As a secularist and as a liberal patriot I condemn the kind of things being done in Pakistan in the name of one religion including the systematic hate campaign and smearing of the Christian name. Christians are lions who produced Cecil Chaudhry, Joseph Pottan and Cornelius among other heroes of Pakistan. This stigmatization is the work of arrogant mullahs who were once supported by the US.

But America has to answer for her crimes, for hoisting up a dictator like Zia and harboring Islamists during the Soviet war. As a liberal committed to diversity, both ethnic and religious in Pakistan I am appalled by the fact how US is never mentioned when we talk about the wrong doing of my country including its support to Islamists in 80's. The bigger power always gets away and gets let off the hook. The same thing is happening with America and as India's soft power grows it too is getting left off the hook for atrocities it committed.

Families don't move out in thousands or millions unless there is a problem, otherwise my family and relatives would be idiots for moving from lucknow and surrounding areas.



I agree. I have to convey to you I have a deep respect for Ahmedis and others for their loyalty to Pakistani state despite what fanatical wahabi so called muslims have done with these abused groups. Its an amazing thing, this loyalty to state and nation and the belief that we can build a tommorow for our religion and state combined that is better than today. That hope leads us on. What ZAB and Zia did to minorities is a crime-no more no less.

The people who released this document about Christian sweepers don't even understand how fanatical they are. They do not realize that they are part of the problem. I have come across such people. They think they are the moderates, that they are normal people. But ingrained within them is a kind of hatred for minorities. Solomon is right about the education system even if I despise his perceived ignorance and dilly-dallying over American atrocities in the region. There should be a subject of religious harmony in not only each school but also compulsory in each madrassa. If that does any good considering 40% of Pakistan's population has been to neither school or madrassa. Its a sad state of affairs.


India is an oppressive state that not only kills our people but mocks us when we go to courts to get justice the proof being the Hyderabadi community and the ones killed outside the Andhra Pradesh high courts. As a person committed to giving people leaving Lucknow or other parts asylum in Pakistan from oppression I have known a number of cases. Some years ago there was a protest of ordinary muslims in the border of Rajasthan who wanted to be allowed to go to Pakistan and settle there. So

The difference between India and Pakistan is not that Pakistan is far more oppressive of minorities. The difference is that Indians are currently sitting on a high horse, haughty over non-existant tolerance and pruposely hiding behind them the burning cauldron of hate underneath. If this wasn't so Modi would never have come to power.

And again 3/5th of my relatives are in Lucknow or other parts. The rest migrated. The ones who did not move did not do so out of loyalty to India but out of fear what a new life in Pakistan would hold-some became loyal others still vouch for Pakistan. Those people I know who had relatives killed moved forever to Pakistan. Hafiz Saeed by the way is one of many people who has seen the atrocities. 20-30 people in his entire family were killed. That does not justify his stance though.

bhai,,,i like ur posts,,,u come of as a decent guy,,,so no offence,but no matter how u spin it ,,bottom line ,,,,just like jinnahs daughter they knew Pakistan isn't for thm,,,,not then not now,,not ever.
n i got a feeling tht,in not so distant future,,,u or ur progeny will acknowledge it too

 

[war&peace]

Well let's face it, we have a problem like every society has and we need to solve it maturely. And don't worry about some loose mouthed indians criticising us while there's much worse where Christians priests are routinely burnt alive and Muslims are lynched for the suspicion of having beef in their homes. So just ignore them and enjoy a cow steaks in our homes safely and happily.
First of all such jobs appointments should not be subject to any religion based filters and they should be properly trained. Furthermore, they should be provided with proper materials and tools. The Muslim janitorial staff members should stressed the importance of cleanliness in Islam and if Christians and Hindus are better at these jobs, they should be given preference, bonuses and other incentives that people do not look down upon them. When I was in Scandinavia, the cleaning person who cleaned our office building was a smart blonde girl, owned a brand new Audi car and worked 6:00 to 14:00, played tennis and danced in the evening. If we can provide such a status to them, none will deride upon this job.

 

[haviZsultan]

Well let's face it, we have a problem like every society has and we need to solve it maturely. And don't worry about some loose mouthed indians criticising us while there's much worse where Christians priests are routinely burnt alive and Muslims are lynched for the suspicion of having beef in their homes. So just ignore them and enjoy a cow steaks in our homes safely and happily.
First of all such jobs appointments should not be subject to any religion based filters and they should be properly trained. Furthermore, they should be provided with proper materials and tools. The Muslim janitorial staff members should stressed the importance of cleanliness in Islam and if Christians and Hindus are better at these jobs, they should be given preference, bonuses and other incentives that people do not look down upon them. When I was in Scandinavia, the cleaning person who cleaned our office building was a smart blonde girl, owned a brand new Audi car and worked 6:00 to 14:00, played tennis and danced in the evening. If we can provide such a status to them, none will deride upon this job.

Scandivania is a great land. The best thing about them is they do not take their wars half way across the world. But this is also for the rest of the west or UAE, Saudi Qatar.... the poverty in these lands is far better than the poverty in countries like Pakistan or India. A person earning even only 3500 Dirhams in Dubai a month can support his family back at home in Pakistan.

The problem is with ourselves. South Korea had an gdp per capita of $2300 in 1980, less than that of Pakistan. It now has a gdp of over 30000. So while we continued to be mired in poverty the rest of the world developed. We can blame no one but ourselves for our lack of growth, fanaticism, intolerance, lack of governance, poor administration and weakness in foreign policy.

 

[WhyCry]

A slave of India always has to be a typical American. India is worse or as bad as Pakistan in this regard. The problem is people like you who support one group over the other without thinking what the said nation has done. Modi has been offered better F-16's than Pakistan despite the fact he is a butcher of Muslims and Christians. Daily there are incidences of churches burned in India-most often in Orissa but it is ignored by the media. Our own family escaped from said country with hearts in their mouth.

I am not going to support this act obviously but its a naked man calling another man naked. India has always escaped scrutiny from its human rights violations and bigotry against minorities. Pakistan must not follow her example and treat christians well.

Though I am with you on the humanity perspective but I have a real problem with some of your stuff.

Let me clarify, Both India and pakistan were made from the same fabric of society. There were well defined boundaries with respect to religion, class and caste with in the society. With both states getting the independence, India capitalized on the diversity but putting all the taboo's out of the context of law. Even to call a person with caste of shudra was a offense. You can only call them Harijans. Muslims were pleased to provide under the muslim personal law board (not a good thing but that was the unifying force). Christians and parsis are provided more flexibility and to open their religion to others (Just to highlight that parsi population is decreasing so they are acting match maker by providing public gatherings for them- Not that I agree of it personally).

I am not going to say of pakistan as I don't want to do a good and bad comparison.

As a secularist and as a liberal patriot

How on earth are you a secularist and liberal. Secularism means that not to distinguish based on religion. when you say he is a butcher of Muslims and Christians. You don't even know what you are saying. when you cannot get a fact don't copy over from your media and stick it here. Freaking people died in those riots and their religions. If you wish to know more I will be more than enough helpful to provide the same. I was in gujarat and in ahmedabad itself when this happened.

Don't label your ignorance as facts.

 

[war&peace]

Scandivania is a great land. The best thing about them is they do not take their wars half way across the world. But this is also for the rest of the west or UAE, Saudi Qatar.... the poverty in these lands is far better than the poverty in countries like Pakistan or India. A person earning even only 3500 Dirhams in Dubai a month can support his family back at home in Pakistan.

The problem is with ourselves. South Korea had an gdp per capita of $2300 in 1980, less than that of Pakistan. It now has a gdp of over 30000. So while we continued to be mired in poverty the rest of the world developed. We can blame no one but ourselves for our lack of growth, fanaticism, intolerance, lack of governance, poor administration and weakness in foreign policy.

The highlighted part is what I agree the most with and I would like to add corruption to the mix. We have to stop blaming foreign agents for our predicament though I do not deny their involvement but the responsibility lies squarely on our shoulders to safeguard our country and nation from internal and external threat and keep our house in order.