Army officers to take charge of Pims, Polyclinic hospitals in Islamabad

[sparten]

You’re saying a career medical doctor whose gone through learning medicine, then decades of practice, promoted to a management position, overlooking operations, has exposure working with civilians; his/her experience is eclipsed by a medical corp officer?

Let’s just agree to disagree.

That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that most doctors will not have mangement experience because they are too busy being you know, doctors. Different skill set,
While most military ones **do**.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

That is not what I am saying at all. What I am saying is that most doctors will not have mangement experience because they are too busy being you know, doctors. Different skill set,
While most military ones **do**.

And how can you be so sure about that?

 

[muz20152]

And how can you be so sure about that?

Cause he is a psychic produced by lumber 1 xd

 

[Jango]

25 crore kay mulk main aik bhi qabil doctor nhn?

 

[Olympus81]

While most military ones **do**.

How are you so sure about this and why would you think that most civilian doctors with management experience cannot?

There are many all-civilian management hospitals that are doing an exemplary job in Pakistan.

 

[sparten]

And how can you be so sure about that?

Being a medical doctor and being a good administrator are different skill sets. A cardiologist may be the best in his field, that does not mean they will have an understanding of logistics. A manager knows exactly how to ensure just in time purchases with sufficient storage space for essential components and surge capacity, but I certainly won't go to them for my eye exam. What you in most large hospitals is that either senior doctors do management, resulting in some highly inefficient operations or professional management types being brought in, resulting in essentially what are medical decisions being made by non medically qualified people. Some places try and split the difference by having a manager and a medical director, that lead to uncertain lines of authority.

In the military, doctors, at least those who are career are also trained in management, like all other officers. Remember, the "military" part of military doctor is not a title, they are actual trained military officers.
I guess you could have a management path for civilian doctors, but I don't see it as being feasible.

 

[Olympus81]

Bro,

There is a management path for medical doctors (on the civilian side) and that is why there are alot of medical doctors with management expertise sitting on private hospital board and doing a great job.

They have better exposure than their military counterparts.

 

[Black.Mamba]

SKMCH, AKU, SIUT, Indus, are all being run successfully by civilians not by any Army officer. Can any CMH or other Army hospital be compared to SKMCH or AKU? Does any doctor anywhere in Pakistan ever prescribed a diagnostic test to be carried out in any Army hospital or always refers it to SKMCH, AKU for more authentic results?

Army does it best is just a faux fallacy nothing more.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Being a medical doctor and being a good administrator are different skill sets. A cardiologist may be the best in his field, that does not mean they will have an understanding of logistics. A manager knows exactly how to ensure just in time purchases with sufficient storage space for essential components and surge capacity, but I certainly won't go to them for my eye exam. What you in most large hospitals is that either senior doctors do management, resulting in some highly inefficient operations or professional management types being brought in, resulting in essentially what are medical decisions being made by non medically qualified people. Some places try and split the difference by having a manager and a medical director, that lead to uncertain lines of authority.

In the military, doctors, at least those who are career are also trained in management, like all other officers. Remember, the "military" part of military doctor is not a title, they are actual trained military officers.
I guess you could have a management path for civilian doctors, but I don't see it as being feasible.

Then find someone and vet people for management skills

Having a faujeet uniform doesn't automatically make you "better" at management. You have to look at it based on merit.

 

[VkdIndian]

Last I checked the constitution reads that Federal govt can anytime asks Uniform guards to come and do their duty - so its nothing more than their Job description

Armed forces are required to provide assistance during natural calamities and also man made disasters or as notified by the government. This is in their charter of duties in almost all nations. Paksiatn isn’t likely to be any different.

When they are called for these duties, they don’t do any favour as touted by some people.

Being highly organised and regimented, they perform very well in these and is generally better than and civilian organisation.

But, it is their duty in the end.

 

[EyelessInGaza]

If the Pakistan Army feels it can do everything - from farming to manufacturing to running the government - why don’t they save us Indians the bother and play both the roles national defenders and national enemies by themselves?

Oh wait…..

 

[Jf Thunder]

I have personally seen faujis to be one the worst managers and administrators. Modern management and administration requires discussion, brainstorming and decision making by consensus as cardinal principles. However faujis severely lack this important attribute, since they run the administrative units under them as mini dictatorships with no room for dissent, and ultimately fail.

 

[Enigma SIG]

Carry on bad mouthing the army, except even in natural calamities, we have to call the army to keep our feet dry.

This is because the army has decapitated all functioning institutions.

This is the reality of Pakistan. For all purposes dead, but moving because of the parasite infecting it

Deploying Fauji outside public toilets to collect p!ssing/sh!tting charges.

People will shit and piss on jernails instead.

 

[fitpOsitive]

ISLAMABAD: Amid reservations expressed by doctors who termed the move ‘unfortunate’, the caretaker government has decided to appoint serving officers of the Pakistan Army Medical Corps as the heads of the two largest state-run hospitals in Islamabad – the Pakistan Institute of Medical Sciences (Pims) and Polyclinic – on deputation for three years.

However, the spokesperson of the Ministry of National Health Services (NHS) Sajid Shah said the decision was taken in the “best interest of the patients and health sector”, which would “streamline and address all the issues of the hospitals”.

A letter from the health ministry sent to the defence ministry said that the posts of the executive director in Pims and Polyclinic were vacant due to the non-availability of eligible officers from the feeding cadre for promotion to the ED. It stated that because of the “importance it cannot be left out to function without qualified heads of the institutions”.


“In order to ensure effective health care service delivery for the public at large in ICT, it has been desired to fill the posts on secondment basis from Pakistan Army Medical Corps as an interim arrangement,” it added.

“...It is, therefore, requested to convey the availability / spareability of qualified and capable hospital managers of equivalent grade i.e. BS-21 from Pakistan Army Medical Corps for posting as ED Pims and FGPC (BS-21) on deputation basis for a period of three years and until further orders under standard terms and conditions,” it stated.

A senior officer of the health ministry, on the condition of anonymity, said that the appointment of serving army officers would address most of the issues of the hospital.

“Unfortunately almost 80pc of the senior doctors do not come to the hospital on time and the same is the situation regarding the junior doctors and paramedics. We receive tens of complaints, on a daily basis, about the attitude and absence of the staff of both hospitals,” the official said, adding that “only an army officer will be able to enforce discipline and best possible treatment” at these hospitals.

He alleged that doctors at both hospitals were running “labs, MRI and other radiological test machines and force patients to get them tested from outside the hospital at testing facilities owned by them”.

A Pims senior doctor, however, expressed frustration with the decision and termed it “unfortunate”. He claimed that army officers were being appointed in most institutions across the country under the pretext of corruption.

“I don’t want to comment about how the institutions, headed by the officers of armed forces, are being run. just want to say that there are competent people in the health sector who can be appointed as EDs.”

“If there is no competent person in [these] hospitals, the ministry could have hired a civilian. Unfortunately, the officers of armed forces only focus on time-in and time-out and do not care about the quality of work,” he said. “They don’t analyse how many operations a doctor does every day,” he complained.

“We are already facing a shortage of human resources and I fear that many doctors will quit…as they are highly qualified and have options to work within the country and outside the country,” he said.

Spokesperson Sajid Shah, on the other hand, said that caretaker minister Nadeem Jan was a “true health professional and he wanted to bring reforms to the health sector”. “I believe that it is the best possible option to fill the seats of heads in both hospitals. It will address most of the complaints and issues we receive daily,” he said.

Published in Dawn, October 29th, 2023

Army officers to take charge of Pims, Polyclinic hospitals in Islamabad

Senior Pims official terms move "unfortunate", says it will force doctors to quit.

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the conquest of Pakistan is going great it seems.

All female doctors will either lose their virginities or will leave their jobs.
I bet.

 

[Jf Thunder]

All female doctors will either lose their virginities or will leave their jobs.
I bet.

that is sadly, the truth
although I didnt believe it at first

but listening to stories from civilians working with faujis has shown me otherwise.
extremely saddening