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Nilgiri said:
Didn't get your tag for some reason buddy.
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Happens all the time.Kudos bro

Nilgiri said:
What is you opinion/impression if you have one?
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Well trained force,,, could do with replacing those old Eastern bloc AK variants (Romanian I believe), but then naturally I will not be complaining.Kudos bro
 
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django said:
As have other Indian regiments.........Though they are well trained I would certainly rate LCB quick reaction forces well above these chaps, can you imagine if LCB were using those rusty old Romanian AKs, Hazrat @Zarvan would have an immediate stroke.Kudos yaar
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This R Rifles dont seem to be SF.

LCB is modelled after US Rangers.
 
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Typical nonsense about war crimes from the usual suspect.

Where is the war?

@django the RR famously (per the fauji grapevine) started off as the Dirty Dozen.That worked so famously, the ingredients so perfect for the role, that even once established, with battle honors aplenty, it became a halmark of the RR and the type of recruits it takes in. It shows in their officers as well. Many of them who even after going back to their infantry roles, fondly remember their RR days and without hesitation say they would go back in an instant given the opportunity, to fight alongside some of the best fighting men they ever served with.

P.S. Incidentally, Col. Mahadik at the beginning of the clip (I confess I did not sit through the entire length - way too generic) - Maratha!

Cheers, Doc
 
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http://kashmirwatch.com/tag/21-rashtriya-rifles/

Indian Army normalised war crime by awarding officer who used a Kashmiri as human shield
By honouring Major Nitin Leetul Gogoi, the state has rewarded brazen violation of law.


May 1996 Vol. 8, No. 4 (C)

INDIA

INDIA'S SECRET ARMY IN KASHMIR
New Patterns of Abuse Emerge in the Conflict
https://www.hrw.org/reports/1996/India2.htm

Kashmir: Indian War Crimes against Women

Documenting Indian state crimes in Kashmir
https://crescent.icit-digital.org/articles/documenting-indian-state-crimes-in-kashmir



https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/cana...d-a-s-bahia-again-cites-war-crimes-act.59335/
 
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django said:
@Levina @Joe Shearer @Nilgiri @padamchen @Śakra
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RR is India’s best military experiment ever. RR has achieved expertise, effectiveness, ethos in style much before the US Forces came up with the COIN doctrine. Lol
It is a CT (counter terrorist) force which relieved the regular Army of its CT commitments and ensured the ready availability of regular army for its primary task.
Proud of them!

@hellfire you are gonna love bursting a few air bubbles here. :devil:
 
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django said:
As have other Indian regiments.........Though they are well trained I would certainly rate LCB quick reaction forces well above these chaps, can you imagine if LCB were using those rusty old Romanian AKs, Hazrat @Zarvan would have an immediate stroke.Kudos yaar
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Why do you guys call him Hazrat?

Isn't that a title for a priest?

Cheers, Doc
 
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Levina said:
RR is India’s best military experiment ever. RR has achieved expertise, effectiveness, ethos in style much before the US Forces came up with the COIN doctrine. Lol
It is a CT (counter terrorist) force which relieved the regular Army of its CT commitments and ensured the ready availability of regular army for its primary task.
Proud of them!

@hellfire you are gonna love bursting a few air bubbles here. :devil:
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What bubbles to burst here? Oh you mean the remark of war crimes here?


War Crimes (incidentally neither India nor Pakistan are signatory of the Rome Statute on International Criminal Court), as per Article 8 of the said convention, is defined as:


  • (a) Grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts against persons or property protected under the provisions of the relevant Geneva Convention:

    • (i) Willful killing;
      (ii) Torture or inhuman treatment, including biological experiments;

      (iii) Wilfully causing great suffering, or serious injury to body or health;

      (iv) Extensive destruction and appropriation of property, not justified by military necessity and carried out unlawfully and wantonly;

      (v) Compelling a prisoner of war or other protected person to serve in the forces of a hostile Power;

      (vi) Wilfully depriving a prisoner of war or other protected person of the rights of fair and regular trial;

      (vii) Unlawful deportation or transfer or unlawful confinement;

      (viii) Taking of hostages.
    (b) Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in international armed conflict, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:

    • (i) Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
      (ii) Intentionally directing attacks against civilian objects, that is, objects which are not military objectives;

      (iii) Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;

      (iv) Intentionally launching an attack in the knowledge that such attack will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians or damage to civilian objects or widespread, long-term and severe damage to the natural environment which would be clearly excessive in relation to the concrete and direct overall military advantage anticipated;

      (v) Attacking or bombarding, by whatever means, towns, villages, dwellings or buildings which are undefended and which are not military objectives;

      (vi) Killing or wounding a combatant who, having laid down his arms or having no longer means of defence, has surrendered at discretion;

      (vii) Making improper use of a flag of truce, of the flag or of the military insignia and uniform of the enemy or of the United Nations, as well as of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions, resulting in death or serious personal injury;

      (viii) The transfer, directly or indirectly, by the Occupying Power of parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies, or the deportation or transfer of all or parts of the population of the occupied territory within or outside this territory;

      (ix) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;

      (x) Subjecting persons who are in the power of an adverse party to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are neither justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the person concerned nor carried out in his or her interest, and which cause death to or seriously endanger the health of such person or persons;

      (xi) Killing or wounding treacherously individuals belonging to the hostile nation or army;

      (xii) Declaring that no quarter will be given;

      (xiii) Destroying or seizing the enemy's property unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of war;

      (xiv) Declaring abolished, suspended or inadmissible in a court of law the rights and actions of the nationals of the hostile party;

      (xv) Compelling the nationals of the hostile party to take part in the operations of war directed against their own country, even if they were in the belligerent's service before the commencement of the war;

      (xvi) Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault;

      (xvii) Employing poison or poisoned weapons;

      (xviii) Employing asphyxiating, poisonous or other gases, and all analogous liquids, materials or devices;

      (xix) Employing bullets which expand or flatten easily in the human body, such as bullets with a hard envelope which does not entirely cover the core or is pierced with incisions;

      (xx) Employing weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare which are of a nature to cause superfluous injury or unnecessary suffering or which are inherently indiscriminate in violation of the international law of armed conflict, provided that such weapons, projectiles and material and methods of warfare are the subject of a comprehensive prohibition and are included in an annex to this Statute, by an amendment in accordance with the relevant provisions set forth in articles 121 and 123;

      (xxi) Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;

      (xxii) Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, or any other form of sexual violence also constituting a grave breach of the Geneva Conventions;

      (xxiii) Utilizing the presence of a civilian or other protected person to render certain points, areas or military forces immune from military operations;

      (xxiv) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;

      (xxv) Intentionally using starvation of civilians as a method of warfare by depriving them of objects indispensable to their survival, including wilfully impeding relief supplies as provided for under the Geneva Conventions;

      (xxvi) Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into the national armed forces or using them to participate actively in hostilities.
    (c) In the case of an armed conflict not of an international character, serious violations of article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions of 12 August 1949, namely, any of the following acts committed against persons taking no active part in the hostilities, including members of armed forces who have laid down their arms and those placed hors de combat by sickness, wounds, detention or any other cause:

    • (i) Violence to life and person, in particular murder of all kinds, mutilation, cruel treatment and torture;
      (ii) Committing outrages upon personal dignity, in particular humiliating and degrading treatment;

      (iii) Taking of hostages;

      (iv) The passing of sentences and the carrying out of executions without previous judgement pronounced by a regularly constituted court, affording all judicial guarantees which are generally recognized as indispensable.
    (d) Paragraph 2 (c) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature.
    (e) Other serious violations of the laws and customs applicable in armed conflicts not of an international character, within the established framework of international law, namely, any of the following acts:

    • (i) Intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as such or against individual civilians not taking direct part in hostilities;
      (ii) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings, material, medical units and transport, and personnel using the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions in conformity with international law;

      (iii) Intentionally directing attacks against personnel, installations, material, units or vehicles involved in a humanitarian assistance or peacekeeping mission in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, as long as they are entitled to the protection given to civilians or civilian objects under the international law of armed conflict;

      (iv) Intentionally directing attacks against buildings dedicated to religion, education, art, science or charitable purposes, historic monuments, hospitals and places where the sick and wounded are collected, provided they are not military objectives;

      (v) Pillaging a town or place, even when taken by assault;

      (vi) Committing rape, sexual slavery, enforced prostitution, forced pregnancy, as defined in article 7, paragraph 2 (f), enforced sterilization, and any other form of sexual violence also constituting a serious violation of article 3 common to the four Geneva Conventions;

      (vii) Conscripting or enlisting children under the age of fifteen years into armed forces or groups or using them to participate actively in hostilities;

      (viii) Ordering the displacement of the civilian population for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand;

      (ix) Killing or wounding treacherously a combatant adversary;

      (x) Declaring that no quarter will be given;

      (xi) Subjecting persons who are in the power of another party to the conflict to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are neither justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the person concerned nor carried out in his or her interest, and which cause death to or seriously endanger the health of such person or persons;

      (xii) Destroying or seizing the property of an adversary unless such destruction or seizure be imperatively demanded by the necessities of the conflict;
    (f) Paragraph 2 (e) applies to armed conflicts not of an international character and thus does not apply to situations of internal disturbances and tensions, such as riots, isolated and sporadic acts of violence or other acts of a similar nature. It applies to armed conflicts that take place in the territory of a State when there is protracted armed conflict between governmental authorities and organized armed groups or between such groups.

    http://legal.un.org/icc/statute/99_corr/cstatute.html

@Levina some issues, hence continuing. Now look at Para 2 (e) and tell me, specifically who is in violation of the points there?

Isn't UN charter there to ensure Indian forces stay to provide protection to the civil population right since 1947-48? If so, need I go on?

If legally looking at the situation, then UN charter is legalising Indian presence, then of course the Indian Laws themselves permit the same.

Also, an interesting tidbit - Under Section 8 of The Citizenship Act of 1955 any citizen who renounces his/her citizenship of the Union of India in a time of war, can do so, only the Central Government can withhold registration as such till a suitable time. Further, a person who gives up his/her claim pf citizenship can not then claim the right of residence based on domicile (A.H. Magermans Vs S.K. Ghose , AIR 1966 Cal 552). Since some of the former citizens proudly denied being Indians, their citizenship is at best, sketchy. And being the benevolent state that we are, the Central Government is unable to issue notifications for the same till as such time the peace is re-established in the troubled part of the country. Hence, they are illegals and bereft of any rights to domicile.

I am surprised that eviction notices have not been issued.

As for the Maj Gogoi episode, under CrPC of 1973, Para 131, any commissioned or Gazetted Officer of the Armed Forces (including JCOs, Warrant Officers, NCOs i.e. Havildar and Naiks too) can arrest/confine any person indulging in any kind of activity against public order and security an can legally take steps to disperse/stop any such activity. Further Para 132(2)(d) read in conjunction with Para 132(3), clearly makes it an act undertaken in good faith and absolves him/her from any acts of commission and omission thereof.

Urgh .. what is there to bother about? You are fretting over the comments of a member hailing from a nation which is wining and dining a couple of dozen proscribed and established terrorists .... :D
 
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padamchen said:
Typical nonsense about war crimes from the usual suspect.

Where is the war?

@django the RR famously (per the fauji grapevine) started off as the Dirty Dozen.That worked so famously, the ingredients so perfect for the role, that even once established, with battle honors aplenty, it became a halmark of the RR and the type of recruits it takes in. It shows in their officers as well. Many of them who even after going back to their infantry roles, fondly remember their RR days and without hesitation say they would go back in an instant given the opportunity, to fight alongside some of the best fighting men they ever served with.

P.S. Incidentally, Col. Mahadik at the beginning of the clip (I confess I did not sit through the entire length - way too generic) - Maratha!

Cheers, Doc
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Their is a guerrilla conflict going on Doc, but that is a debate for another day,,,,, I was more focused on the level of preparedness and professional skills of these chaps who are involved in counter-insurgency and I must admit they seem well trained.Kudos Doc

padamchen said:
Why do you guys call him Hazrat?

Isn't that a title for a priest?

Cheers, Doc
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It is a sign of respect. He is a well learned man in Islamic theology.Kudos Doc
 
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These guys are definitely one of the highly trained group in the Indian armed forces but it is high time they need to replace their vintage Soviet-era AKs and opt for something more modern. Maybe the Ghatak AR/Excalibur/MCIWS/Tiruchy AR could do the job
 
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Levina said:
RR is India’s best military experiment ever. RR has achieved expertise, effectiveness, ethos in style much before the US Forces came up with the COIN doctrine. Lol
It is a CT (counter terrorist) force which relieved the regular Army of its CT commitments and ensured the ready availability of regular army for its primary task.
Proud of them!

@hellfire you are gonna love bursting a few air bubbles here. :devil:
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Like I said they seem well trained, especially the Ghatak platoons, as for their effectiveness , that is open to debate.Kudos Levina
 
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