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[The_Showstopper]

Nirbhaya's case brought about tough anti rape laws. So don't tell me few cases here and there doesn't qualify. Kindly brace the forthcoming changes with open mind or else curl into the arms off triple talaq apologistic mullahs.

LOL comparing with Nirbhaya's case? Tough anti-rape laws were brought in not because of Nirabhaya but because of the numerous sexual assaults on women and Nirbhaya was just a tipping point.

Each day in India, 92 women are raped.

India's rape epidemic: The survivors speak · TheJournal.ie

Do I see a similar proportion of Triple Talaaqs when to compared to the number of divorces that take place?

Its not that I support Triple Talaaq but it really amuses me when Sanghis speak of women's rights. The very same Sanghis who fought tooth and nail to stop Hindu code bill which gave rights to Hindu women.

Are you in Ireland now?
You have a tendency to support anything that's 'Divine' according to you.

What is divine according to you?

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Do I see a similar proportion of Triple Talaaqs?

Nope. Actually rapes do not 'occur' in the 'Muslim world'.
Journal Sources: https://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=aVp5AAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT8&dq=rape+muslim+world&ots=9tGqC22Zw-&sig=oPMhajMm3VeXJjXb5btGqzVpf2c#v=onepage&q=rape muslim world&f=false

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0961452961000157864?journalCode=cdip20

http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0968808006292796?via=sd&cc=y

Some of them are before 2001 as well.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Nope. Actually rapes do not 'occur' in the 'Muslim world'.
Journal Sources: https://books.google.co.in/books?hl=en&lr=&id=aVp5AAAAQBAJ&oi=fnd&pg=PT8&dq=rape+muslim+world&ots=9tGqC22Zw-&sig=oPMhajMm3VeXJjXb5btGqzVpf2c#v=onepage&q=rape muslim world&f=false

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0961452961000157864?journalCode=cdip20

You really are working hard, I must say

So from Triple Talaaq, you jump over to rapes in muslim world

 

[adil_minhas]

Salaam walaikum, Good to see you back.

I do know their intent and the reason for their "concern". They are the very same set of people who subjugated their women for a long time and tried everything in their book to stop their women getting some rights. An excerpt from an article which proves my point.

In the vanguard of the opposition was the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). In a single year, 1949, the RSS organised as many as 79 meetings in Delhi where effigies of Nehru and Ambedkar were burnt, and where the new Bill was denounced as an attack on Hindu culture and tradition.

Source: The Hindu : Reforming the Hindus

Now all of the sudden, they are trying to sound virtuous.

My intention is to show them that their attempt of magnifying a small issue to suit their agenda doesn't hold water.


But the author doesn't have the exact data but rather deduces divorce rates based on marital status. So how can you claim that the data posted by you is more credible than others? Did the survey you posted include the accounts from family members and neighbours? And even after all this exercise no where does it prove that Triple Talaaq is as rampant as it is being depicted by Sanghi brigade.

Walaikum salaam Bhai. I am happy to be back. And fighting the good fight. To bring our Hindu brothers back on track.

Bhatak gaye hain.

I don't support Triple Talaaq

The moot point is that such is only important to us Muslims.

Hindus have zero locus standi on the issue.

So honestly, discussing it with them is a waste of my time.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Thanks. If you can jump from Railway to Indians (Hindus) raping Indians...

I had to because it was brought up by your Sanghi colleague.

 

[adil_minhas]

Hindu/Dharmic colleague.

Sanghi.

Please do not insult one billion Hindus by pulling them under the representation on PDF.

 

[Soumitra]

Sanghi.

Please do not insult one billion Hindus by pulling them under the representation on PDF.

Sanghis are hindus and hindus are sanghis. The left liberal non sanghis hindus actually denounce hinduism whenever they get a chance

 

[adil_minhas]

Sanghis are hindus and hindus are sanghis. The left liberal non sanghis hindus actually denounce hinduism whenever they get a chance

That is a load of crock.

Sell your snake oil to someone who does not live in and has been born and brought up in India please.

If you are a Hindu and a Sanghi, does not mean Hindus are Sanghis.

 

[ranjeet]

LOL comparing with Nirbhaya's case? Tough anti-rape laws were brought in not because of Nirabhaya but because of the numerous sexual assaults on women and Nirbhaya was just a tipping point.

Each day in India, 92 women are raped.

India's rape epidemic: The survivors speak · TheJournal.ie

Do I see a similar proportion of Triple Talaaqs when to compared to the number of divorces that take place?

Its not that I support Triple Talaaq but it really amuses me when Sanghis speak of women's rights. The very same Sanghis who fought tooth and nail to stop Hindu code bill which gave rights to Hindu women.

It's not about proportions but setting a narrative as you explained, raw numbers don't matter and trust me we have enough cases to build a narrative and sell it successfully to the courts.

 

[The_Showstopper]

It's not about proportions but setting a narrative as you explained, raw numbers don't matter and trust me we have enough cases to build a narrative and sell it successfully to the courts.

You can build a narrative to change opinions of people but not the Court of law. Courts don't go by narratives but evidences and stats. Not sure if you have stats on your side. Though court may agree that Triple Talaaq denies rights of women but will obviously disagree on how widespread it is.

 

[ranjeet]

You can build a narrative to change opinions of people but not the Court of law. Courts don't go by narratives but evidences and stats. Not sure if you have stats on your side. Though court may agree that Triple Talaaq denies rights of women but will obviously disagree on how widespread it is.

I am sure you bring Sangh to argue your point in front of courts. Good luck with that.

 

[The_Showstopper]

I am sure you bring Sangh to argue your point in front of courts. Good luck with that.

Argue what? Whether Triple Talaq is wrong or whether it is less prevalent?

 

[ranjeet]

Argue what? Whether Triple Talaq is wrong or whether it is less prevalent?

Whether it must continue or not.

 

[Soumitra]

Argue what? Whether Triple Talaq is wrong or whether it is less prevalent?

I dont get it. You say you oppose triple talaq so please tell me

1. Why does it matter that who is trying to get it banned? You very well know that a Congress govt will never do it. They have political reasons not to oppose it just like BJP has political reasons to oppose it
2. How does it matter how widespread it is if the practice is getting legally banned? Lets say there is a crime for example murder. Will you say why make it a crime as only few people commit murders and vast majority dont?

 

[The_Showstopper]

I dont get it. You say you oppose triple talaq so please tell me

1. Why does it matter that who is trying to get it banned? You very well know that a Congress govt will never do it. They have political reasons not to oppose it just like BJP has political reasons to oppose it
2. How does it matter how widespread it is if the practice is getting legally banned? Lets say there is a crime for example murder. Will you say why make it a crime as only few people commit murders and vast majority dont?

Ok let me try answering you one by one.

1. Yes it does matter as to who is trying to get it banned. As you agreed that BJP has political reasons opposing it as this will consolidate its Hindutva votebank and at the same time will antagonize muslims. And speaking about opposition, let me take you to through a history trip. Many muslim rulers back then did not try interfering with local customs, so was the case with British. Nehru, Ambedkar and others who tried to reform Hindu laws so that Hindu women can more rights were met with stiff opposition from many quarters, and the irony is RSS was one of them who fought tooth and nail stop Hindu code bill. Couple of links and excerpts for your reference.

The below are some of the laws which were to be brought in

"(1) For the first time, the widow and daughter were awarded the same share of property as the son; (2) for the first time, women were allowed to divorce a cruel or negligent husband; (3) for the first time, the husband was prohibited from taking a second wife; (4) for the first time, a man and woman of different castes could be married under Hindu law; (5) for the first time, a Hindu couple could adopt a child of a different caste."

In the vanguard of the opposition was the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). In a single year, 1949, the RSS organised as many as 79 meetings in Delhi where effigies of Nehru and Ambedkar were burnt, and where the new Bill was denounced as an attack on Hindu culture and tradition.

Nehru And The Hindu Code Bill - Outlook India
The Hindu : Reforming the Hindus

So when BJP/Sangh with its known anti-muslim antecedents tries raking up issues like Triple Talaaq, muslims are bound to repel it and even the saner voices among muslims will find it difficult to convince their community.

2. As said earlier that I am against Triple talaq and also for a law stopping it but I am against the hoopla created over it. What BJP and its parent org is doing is to make the issue sound too big. What will be your top preference if say you have a burglary in a nearby house and a riot nearby. Which one would be your priority? There are many issues which are much more important and critical than Triple Talaq but our government seems to have forgotten other issues. If you are so concerned about women rights, why not take action over the huge number abandonment of women by their husbands(Modi being one of the culprit himself), dowry deaths, rapes, child marriages etc