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[ranjeet]

Well the "Muslim dominated districts" statement could be wrong but the data includes districts which has large muslim population compared to other districts. So how is it bogus?

Ok here you go.

The Census data, which list the marital status of individuals from all religious communities, shows that the refined divorce rate — or the number of divorces per 1,000 marriages — for Muslim women was 5.63, well above the national average of 3.10.

http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/muslim-women-triple-talaq-divorce-oral-talaq-2991234/

 

[The_Showstopper]

Ok here you go.

The Census data, which list the marital status of individuals from all religious communities, shows that the refined divorce rate — or the number of divorces per 1,000 marriages — for Muslim women was 5.63, well above the national average of 3.10.

http://indianexpress.com/article/explained/muslim-women-triple-talaq-divorce-oral-talaq-2991234/

The source you posted speaks of marital status, The author tries to deduces divorce rate from the marital status. Whereas the source I posted specifies the number of divorces taken and the data is collected from family courts.

As stated previously, there aren't many cases of triple talaq either as being depicted.

Contrary to popular perception that most Muslim women get unilateral divorces through phone, email and via text messages, the BMMA case study shows only one divorce out of the 117 was delivered in the absence of wife. As per the BMMA’s own findings, only 0.2% got divorced over the phone, 0.6% received it through email and out of 525 divorces, only one was delivered via SMS, that is only 0.19%. Thus the problem is not as serious as it is made out to be by the media and the government. Moreover, as many as 220 divorces occurred in family homes, 110 in court and 46 through Darul Qaza. Thus as many as 71.6% of divorces happened publicly, according to the BMMA’s study, in the presence of family members, judges, lawyers, panchayats, NGOs and qazis. One is inclined to believe that in most cases there must have been some effort at reconciliation prior to actual divorce pronouncement and divorce in most cases was just the final act of amicably dissolving the marriage.

Source: https://thewire.in/77923/muslim-personal-law-reforms-bmma-studies/

 

[Soumitra]

The source you posted speaks of marital status, The author tries to deduces divorce rate from the marital status. Whereas the source I posted specifies the number of divorces taken and the data is collected from family courts.

As stated previously, there aren't many cases of triple talaq either as being depicted.

Contrary to popular perception that most Muslim women get unilateral divorces through phone, email and via text messages, the BMMA case study shows only one divorce out of the 117 was delivered in the absence of wife. As per the BMMA’s own findings, only 0.2% got divorced over the phone, 0.6% received it through email and out of 525 divorces, only one was delivered via SMS, that is only 0.19%. Thus the problem is not as serious as it is made out to be by the media and the government. Moreover, as many as 220 divorces occurred in family homes, 110 in court and 46 through Darul Qaza. Thus as many as 71.6% of divorces happened publicly, according to the BMMA’s study, in the presence of family members, judges, lawyers, panchayats, NGOs and qazis. One is inclined to believe that in most cases there must have been some effort at reconciliation prior to actual divorce pronouncement and divorce in most cases was just the final act of amicably dissolving the marriage.

Source: https://thewire.in/77923/muslim-personal-law-reforms-bmma-studies/

Divorce rate will obviously be found from the marital status. And Census data is any day better than and sample survey.

Leave aside different sources of Data. Why are you specifically so apologetic about Triple Talaq?
Please dont say

1. It is part of Islam - That part has been disproven by the fact that many muslim majority countries have abolished the practice. And if you say cultural practice you wont find any hindus defending a previous cultural practice of Sati. Maybe one or two people in some remote villages will do it but that is rare exception
2. Let Muslims reform themselves - They had 70 years to reform , around 60 of them under "Secular" govts Which I think is more than enough time. Since they are not doing it the govt has to step in. And yes we know that only a BJP govt will take this stand as "Secular" govts need Muslim Mullah vote bank

 

[The_Showstopper]

Divorce rate will obviously be found from the marital status. And Census data is any day better than and sample survey.

Leave aside different sources of Data. Why are you specifically so apologetic about Triple Talaq?
Please dont say

1. It is part of Islam - That part has been disproven by the fact that many muslim majority countries have abolished the practice. And if you say cultural practice you wont find any hindus defending a previous cultural practice of Sati. Maybe one or two people in some remote villages will do it but that is rare exception
2. Let Muslims reform themselves - They had 70 years to reform , around 60 of them under "Secular" govts Which I think is more than enough time. Since they are not doing it the govt has to step in. And yes we know that only a BJP govt will take this stand as "Secular" govts need Muslim Mullah vote bank

No I am not apologetic about Triple Talaq and I want it gone but that doesn't mean that it is highly prevalent. When Sanghis create hysteria about Triple Talaq, then those concerned will obviously like to point out that it is not as prevalent as it is made out to be.

 

[Vishwabalas]

No I am not apologetic about Triple Talaq and I want it gone but that doesn't mean that it is highly prevalent. When Sanghis create hysteria about Triple Talaq, then those concerned will obviously like to point out that it is not as prevalent as it is made out to be.

This from the same guy who tried to create a Hysteria by posting a Fake "railway scam" news ?

Do you know what Irony means ? Its your middle name.

 

[adil_minhas]

@The_Showstopper

When a Hindu talks to you of triple talaq just ask him firmly to mind his business.

No sense getting into lengthy debates and typing thousands of words with these guys.

We know what's really driving them ...

 

[Vishwabalas]

@The_Showstopper

When a Hindu talks to you of triple talaq just ask him firmly to mind his business.

No sense getting into lengthy debates and typing thousands of words with these guys.

We know what's really driving them ...

It is "his" business since you are living in "his" land, kapish ?

 

[ranjeet]

The source you posted speaks of marital status, The author tries to deduces divorce rate from the marital status. Whereas the source I posted specifies the number of divorces taken and the data is collected from family courts.
https://thewire.in/77923/muslim-personal-law-reforms-bmma-studies/

The Source is Census 2011 all the author did is compiled it. The link you provided raised similar questions about BMMA survey and how it was conducted that I raised earlier, why this hypocritical approach towards 2 surveys? I am sure data from Census is more credible than any survey done by either side on this debate.

"There are internationally recognised norms and any research which claims to be scientific, must conform to them. Neither the aforesaid survey of 4710 Muslim women from 10 states, nor the study entitled ‘No More Talaq, Talaq, Talaq’ published in October 2015 – based on case studies of 117 Muslim women in eight states – mention the research methodology. The BMMA study relies solely on its self-selected respondents. What was the basis on which certain states or districts were selected and others excluded? What were the parameters by which the 4710 women were identified? Why did the BMMA not talk to their husbands, family members, neighbours as well to corroborate the accounts? In the absence of answers, their study cannot be termed scientific. Noorjehan Safia Niaz, who led one of the studies, has herself admitted that they prepared the study on the basis of their interaction with women they work with."

 

[The_Showstopper]

@The_Showstopper

When a Hindu talks to you of triple talaq just ask him firmly to mind his business.

No sense getting into lengthy debates and typing thousands of words with these guys.

We know what's really driving them ...

Salaam walaikum, Good to see you back.

I do know their intent and the reason for their "concern". They are the very same set of people who subjugated their women for a long time and tried everything in their book to stop their women getting some rights. An excerpt from an article which proves my point.

In the vanguard of the opposition was the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS). In a single year, 1949, the RSS organised as many as 79 meetings in Delhi where effigies of Nehru and Ambedkar were burnt, and where the new Bill was denounced as an attack on Hindu culture and tradition.

Source: The Hindu : Reforming the Hindus

Now all of the sudden, they are trying to sound virtuous.

My intention is to show them that their attempt of magnifying a small issue to suit their agenda doesn't hold water.

The Source is Census 2011 all the author did is compiled it. The link you provided raised similar questions about BMMA survey and how it was conducted that I raised earlier, why this hypocritical approach towards 2 surveys? I am sure data from Census is more credible than any survey done by either side on this debate.

"There are internationally recognised norms and any research which claims to be scientific, must conform to them. Neither the aforesaid survey of 4710 Muslim women from 10 states, nor the study entitled ‘No More Talaq, Talaq, Talaq’ published in October 2015 – based on case studies of 117 Muslim women in eight states – mention the research methodology. The BMMA study relies solely on its self-selected respondents. What was the basis on which certain states or districts were selected and others excluded? What were the parameters by which the 4710 women were identified? Why did the BMMA not talk to their husbands, family members, neighbours as well to corroborate the accounts? In the absence of answers, their study cannot be termed scientific. Noorjehan Safia Niaz, who led one of the studies, has herself admitted that they prepared the study on the basis of their interaction with women they work with."

But the author doesn't have the exact data but rather deduces divorce rates based on marital status. So how can you claim that the data posted by you is more credible than others? Did the survey you posted include the accounts from family members and neighbours? And even after all this exercise no where does it prove that Triple Talaaq is as rampant as it is being depicted by Sanghi brigade.

 

[ranjeet]

But the author doesn't have the exact data but rather deduces divorce rates based on marital status. So how can you claim that the data posted by you is more credible than others? Did the survey you posted include the accounts from family members and neighbours? And even after all this exercise no where does it prove that Triple Talaaq is as rampant as it is being depicted by Sanghi brigade.

Well 43.9% of divorcee Muslim women belongs to age group 20-34 according to the survey, and considering how young educated Muslim women were given triple talaq over emails, sms, whatsapp, skype or phone call, one can only assume what poor uneducated Muslims women must be going through as there is no one to listen to their cries. Here is a latest example

Man’s 3 ex-wives thwart his fourth wedding; accuse him of rape, blackmail
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...tar-pradesh/story-T9EOhqh53y4VWtD7fN6POI.html

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Well 43.9% of divorcee Muslim women belongs to age group 20-34 according to the survey, and considering how young educated Muslim women were given triple talaq over emails, sms, whatsapp, skype or phone call, one can only assume what poor uneducated Muslims women must be going through as there is no one to listen to their cries. Here is a latest example

Man’s 3 ex-wives thwart his fourth wedding; accuse him of rape, blackmail
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...tar-pradesh/story-T9EOhqh53y4VWtD7fN6POI.html

This assault on the core ideology should continue.

 

[The_Showstopper]

Well 43.9% of divorcee Muslim women belongs to age group 20-34 according to the survey, and considering how young educated Muslim women were given triple talaq over emails, sms, whatsapp, skype or phone call, one can only assume what poor uneducated Muslims women must be going through as there is no one to listen to their cries. Here is a latest example

Man’s 3 ex-wives thwart his fourth wedding; accuse him of rape, blackmail
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...tar-pradesh/story-T9EOhqh53y4VWtD7fN6POI.html

Based on your assumptions and few cases, you prove nothing other than it being a minor aberration which needs to be corrected. So I repeat that a few cases here and there doesn't qualify to be overplayed and magnified.

 

[The_Showstopper]

What are your points to support Triple Talaq, apart from the fact that it is Divine Law?
Please support with statistical proof. Qualitative arguments are also fine.

I don't support Triple Talaaq

 

[ranjeet]

Based on your assumptions and few cases, you prove nothing other than it being a minor aberration which needs to be corrected. So I repeat that a few cases here and there doesn't qualify to be overplayed and magnified.

Nirbhaya's case brought about tough anti rape laws. So don't tell me few cases here and there doesn't qualify. Kindly brace the forthcoming changes with open mind or else curl into the arms off triple talaq apologistic mullahs.

 

[The_Showstopper]

What are your points to support polygamy, apart from the fact that it is allowed in your Divine Law?
Please support with statistical proof. Qualitative arguments are also fine.

Why so desperate? Did I claim to support any of the practices you mentioned here?