deckingraj
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Thanks for taking time and writing a long one for me....
I believe i am and no China is not an off-topic...China is the key here...
With all due respect you have dis-regard the basic norm of economics and all the hard work that Chinese did...US did not do a favor to China by outsourcing manufactoring...It was the low cost that lured them there...It is because of this low cost they could concentrate on high tech R&D.....China would have anyways arrived in the game irrespective of US...
I think we are in agreement here...However not sure about inability to see this very obvious thing....
What you are calling as blunder i call them as need of the hour...In the past Soviet Union was the arch rival and now it is china...In both context i see perfect sense in what US did....
You are right about it...We will never know but we can use logic and make some calculated guess...India is a democracy and GOI cannot compromise on sovereignty...Indian public will not tolerate it.....this one is fact, rest revolves around it...
I think rejecting US fighters do tell a bit about the confidence...However we are still a poor nation and learning....
Have no disagreement with anything above...
I don't think you perceive what MastanKhan is saying. He is intentionally not bringing in the off-topic China factor.
I believe i am and no China is not an off-topic...China is the key here...
If US had not outsourced a lot of manufacturing to China, US would be comparatively poorer today --- but would still be numero uno --- and by a fair margin. USSR would have collapsed anyway and China would be nothing of what she is today.
With all due respect you have dis-regard the basic norm of economics and all the hard work that Chinese did...US did not do a favor to China by outsourcing manufactoring...It was the low cost that lured them there...It is because of this low cost they could concentrate on high tech R&D.....China would have anyways arrived in the game irrespective of US...
Now China is a monster --- and will be easily bigger than US very soon. Had US not transferred manufacturing then China would have been what it is today after 15 -20 years at least --- plenty of time for US to to keep expanding. US had not seen this geo-political thing coming.
I think we are in agreement here...However not sure about inability to see this very obvious thing....
Now what ?Who other than India poses a credible challenge to China? So US decides to join hands with us. For this US is having to do similar things to what she did to China. Just notice what Obama is saying --- 'We need manufacturing in US itself'. But still manufacturing will come to India and US is being forced to do it. We greatly benefit from this US proximity.US blundered against China and if DBC's sentiments are widespread then US has blundered with us as well. But what is the nature of this blunder --- a subservient India like UK or an independent yet intellectually pro-US India? The German economy has bounced back and manufacturing has had an important role to play. What manufacturing does Britain have?
What you are calling as blunder i call them as need of the hour...In the past Soviet Union was the arch rival and now it is china...In both context i see perfect sense in what US did....
Notice what DBC says:
Implicit in these statements are the thoughts that US was willing to accommodate India more that even close allies. So what if the F-teens are marginally inferior --- if at all? After all US support to India will boost us. Some of DBC's previous posts indicate this.
Whether or not GoI had the measure of this sentiment or decided that this much was not enough given other US pressures or decided that a more independent foreign policy was expedient will never be known to us. Neither will it be easily known if most US foreign policy think-tanks share DBC's (former and present) sentiments. But i do feel sorry for Ashley Tellis --- he expended a lot of capital to be pro-India. He was given quite a punch.
You are right about it...We will never know but we can use logic and make some calculated guess...India is a democracy and GOI cannot compromise on sovereignty...Indian public will not tolerate it.....this one is fact, rest revolves around it...
At the end of the day there are differences in ways in which US and India behave. US is head above shoulders --- just too superior to all. Great powers recognize greatness --- or at least potential great power. The question is --- are we that confident? How long more before we decide and believe that none dare oppose us for what we feel most about.
I think rejecting US fighters do tell a bit about the confidence...However we are still a poor nation and learning....
A decision has been taken. Live with it. This is not just about F16blk52+ vs Rafael. Its more than that. But the final word has not been said about Indo-US partnership. It is amply clear than a significant chunk still roots for India. Deep inside most Indian politicians and Indian public are pro-US. It pays us to learn from them.
By the time Rafael/EF arrives in India in significant numbers a lot of water would have flown under the bridge. We will be in a better position to speculate about our relationship.
Fighter aircraft comparison --- in 15 years or so Rafael/EF > F16blk60. Then 5th gen stuff comes to play. F16blk52+ and MLUed F16s will be very potent --- but mostly within Pak airspace --- the numbers are too less otherwise.
India is rooting for a slower entanglement with US --- but a sure one at that.
Have no disagreement with anything above...