Rafale : STOBAR compatible

[kirankumar299]

Rafale : STOBAR compatible
After several simulations conducted by Dassault, the Rafale is able, with no modification, to take-off from a ski-jump carrier.

Obviously, they have something in mind for the Indian Navy, since India is the only country equiped with such a carrier to which we would sell Rafale.

Rafale News: Rafale : STOBAR compatible
Mer et Marine : Le Rafale Marine compatible avec les porte-avions dotés de tremplin

 

[Abingdonboy]

Okay but so what? It might be able to take off using STOBAR but is it able to do so with anything like a useful weapons/fuel load? Also given the IAC-2 and all future ACCs are likely to be CATOBAR configured and the INS VIKRAMDITYA and IAC-1 air wings are on order (MiG-29K) what does this offer to the IN? It is too late for the IN to have Rafales on IAC-1 or Vikramditya so this is a null point IMHO. I can think this would be attractive to IN had they not ordered follow-on MiG-29Ks ton bring the total to 45 with speculations more could be procured. However the Rafale-M has a good chance at winning the N-MMRCA for IN for IAC-2 in CATOBAR configuration especially off the back of IAF orders.

 

[IndoUS]

It is good news, the problem is that the navy has already gotten its MIG 29, so not sure if they would go for the Rafale. Maybe when the IAC 1 or 2 are inducted they might try it out after taking some input from the Air force.

 

[Sergi]

Good news another reason to select Rafale-M in N-MMRCA
Even if we don't need it to fly it from "Vikidi" it can
I would definatly preffer a plane that can be STOBAR and CATOBAR capable besides being common platform to IAF

 

[anup]

Good News... We are interested....IN may be acquired 40 to 70 Naval Rafale

 

[tvsram1992]

Ok it can take off but where will it land ?

 

[kurup]

Ok it can take off but where will it land ?

The same carrier from where it took off .......

 

[tvsram1992]

The same carrier from where it took off .......

How buddy , our carriers cant land conventional crafts.

 

[RISING SUN]

Okay but so what? It might be able to take off using STOBAR but is it able to do so with anything like a useful weapons/fuel load? Also given the IAC-2 and all future ACCs are likely to be CATOBAR configured and the INS VIKRAMDITYA and IAC-1 air wings are on order (MiG-29K) what does this offer to the IN? It is too late for the IN to have Rafales on IAC-1 or Vikramditya so this is a null point IMHO. I can think this would be attractive to IN had they not ordered follow-on MiG-29Ks ton bring the total to 45 with speculations more could be procured. However the Rafale-M has a good chance at winning the N-MMRCA for IN for IAC-2 in CATOBAR configuration especially off the back of IAF orders.

s.
Mate you are forgetting many point.
1st point- Rafale for IAC Vikrant & Vikramaditya means more diversification in weaponry & capability.
2nd point- Rafale will bring commonality with French navy. Same platform.
3rd point- no problem of spare parts because most of things(equipments) will be common.
4th point- More situational awareness.
5th point- Every aircraft which flies from carrier never flies with full load even USN fighters too. So this is not a concern. I can carry enough material in hand.
6th point- Navy will have much more idea about this aircraft before going for CATOBAR version fighters.
7th point- more aircraft in inventory means flexibility for navy to select fighter for dedicated roles.
I have more too say but I think that is more than enough to satisfy anyone. What do you think?

 

[shubhamkumar]

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[kirankumar299]

Google translate of the below link

Mer et Marine : Le Rafale Marine compatible avec les porte-avions dotés de tremplin


This may give the French fighter new opportunities for export. After studies and simulations, engineers determined that Dassault Aviation's Rafale Marine is capable of taking off of aircraft carriers without catapults but with a springboard. For this, no change in structure would be needed over Rafale of French naval aviation, implemented since Charles de Gaulle using catapults. For the collection of the plane, an oblique track with strands arrest is necessary, however. For now, only Russia, China and India have, or will have, aircraft carriers with diving stop and strands. If the first two countries, the acquisition of Rafale is excluded, it is however a new opportunity for India. The latter, for now, plans to equip its two new aircraft carriers, and the Vikramaditya Vikrant, Russian MiG-29K. But New Delhi is also in phase with Dassault Aviation exclusive talks to buy Rafale for its air force. The contract, which could be signed in the coming months, does not include aircraft navalisés. But if India wants, it may have an alternative to the MiG-29K, with the advantage of its future fleet mix. For now, no application has been made ​​in this direction, but the option is technically what is good to know. The Vikramaditya is currently testing (© INDIAN DEFENCE NEWS) The Russian MiG-29K (© RIGHTS RESERVED ) Rafale landing on the oblique position of the CDG (©: NAVY) Outside India, the Rafale's ability to take off on a bridge ending with a springboard could, in the coming years, with interest Other countries, like Brazil, which wants to develop to term of two new aircraft carriers and would thus not have to opt for buildings catapults. This, while the Rafale is already proposed to modernize the Brazilian Air Force. Ideally, any carrier or aircraft carrier with a platform and being wide enough to accommodate an oblique track could, could be affected. The most critical technical point concerns the spaces available in the flight deck to accommodate the machinery of the press brake, related strands of stops. New British aircraft carrier can be equipped, but it is less evident for the Italian Cavour, which would probably require heavy work. For now, the buildings of the Royal Navy and the Marina Militare must implement aircraft short takeoff and vertical landing F-35B. But this program already suffers long delays and extra costs, even though the F-35 is just entering the development phase of its systems, generally considered the most complex aviation program. Future aircraft carriers British with F-35B (© THALES) The Cavour (© Marina Militare)

If IN selects the rafale marine version it could take off from stobar AC's and Catapult AC's. Weapons and platform compatibility with IAF will be a huge advantage for IN.

How buddy , our carriers cant land conventional crafts.

Because it is the Rafale marine version.

Dassault Aviation's Rafale Marine is capable of taking off of aircraft carriers without catapults but with a springboard.

 

[sancho]

Okay but so what? It might be able to take off using STOBAR but is it able to do so with anything like a useful weapons/fuel load? Also given the IAC-2 and all future ACCs are likely to be CATOBAR configured and the INS VIKRAMDITYA and IAC-1 air wings are on order (MiG-29K) what does this offer to the IN? It is too late for the IN to have Rafales on IAC-1 or Vikramditya so this is a null point IMHO. I can think this would be attractive to IN had they not ordered follow-on MiG-29Ks ton bring the total to 45 with speculations more could be procured. However the Rafale-M has a good chance at winning the N-MMRCA for IN for IAC-2 in CATOBAR configuration especially off the back of IAF orders.

It's nothing but a side note, for IAC2 catapults are prefered, as long as the sale is not approved IN has to think about another but bigger STOBAR carrier too, so this report just confirms that Rafale would be useful for any config.
Rafale is much superior to the Mig 29Ks and IN was interested in the early 2000s too, but the Rafale back then was new and not very capable, but much more expensive + the Russians reacted to our interest and combined the carrier deal with a fighter procurement.

How buddy , our carriers cant land conventional crafts.

The arrested landing system is the same on STOBAR and CATOBAR carriers, so landing is no issue.

 

[tvsram1992]

The arrested landing system is the same on STOBAR and CATOBAR carriers, so landing is no issue.

Its an issue , the current configuration of Rafale might be suitable for STO . The article says that . That doesnt ensure you can land on a carrier . Landing is not a child play . I hope you know that . You need to reconfigure carrier as well as plane to make it land on our carriers . There is no chance that Rafale in its current configuration can land on our carrier .

Because it is the Rafale marine version.

Dassault Aviation's Rafale Marine is capable of taking off of aircraft carriers without catapults but with a springboard.

Marine version doesnt mean they will land on INS Vikramaditya or IAC 1 . You need to reconfigure carrier as well .

 

[sancho]

Marine version doesnt mean they will land on INS Vikramaditya or IAC 1 . You need to reconfigure carrier as well .

That's wrong! Again, STOBAR and CATOBAR carriers only differ in their take off system, the landing is the same!

 

[Jon Snow]

We have already bought fighters for the IAC 1 and Gorshkov. The IAC 2 will come in 2022 or beyond(most probably 2025). There is a good chance the naval version of Pak-Fa will become ready by then, if it is then the Rafale has no chance of making it into the indian navy.