Rafale jets are not enough to face Pakistani JF 17: Shahid Latif

[waz]

We still don't know the quality of Chinese systems. Usa tech is far superior, then European and China has overtook Russia. In 10-15 years China will be very close to the USA and Europe in term of quality. This doesn't mean Chinese technology is no match but speaking on the quality and use of technology.

J10C is a beast without a doubt but we want to witness pl15, Aesa radar, Engine, MAWS in action so we can determine how good they are in the battle field.

To be fair aside from CAS and ground targets we haven't seen European tech put through its paces against air opponents.

 

[A.P. Richelieu]

Rafale with the combination of S400 will give a massive edge over Pakistan.

The reputation of the S-400 is a bit tarnished after unit being destroyed in Ukraine by the very thing it is supposed to shoot down.

 

[MastanKhan]

J10C is a beast without a doubt but we want to witness pl15, Aesa radar, Engine, MAWS in action so we can determine how good they are in the battle field.



Isn't J10C bigger than the f16s. It could be used as a strike fighter in the future or when we order the next batch, we all wanted a strike fighter like Eurofigher or Rafale but I guess J10c is the one that will be used for that role aswell as air superiority.

Hiu,

" We want to---" son---who the f--- is we---pardon my french.

"we" only witness it on the day they die. And on the day they die---they don't even know they are going to die.

So---please---refrain from using brave comments.

Isn't that how it was with the american tech---the opponent never knew when they died.

 

[Goritoes]

Bas har waqt India ka manjan bechna hai

Dukaan is pe chalti hai bhai

 

[Bilal9]

any aircraft Pakistan was purchased then you repeat the same sentence for that aircraft.

I don't count Jf-17s Block III 1st better than HAL Tejas MK1a... both are similarly capable aircraft.

J10 is better aircraft but still not in the league of Eurofighter Typhoon and Rafale.

What is this comment.

Tejas was designed as a Gnat replacement three decades ago.

Not even in the same league as a JF-17 - which by the way was an F-16 replacement....

 

[PakAlp]

Hiu,

" We want to---" son---who the f--- is we---pardon my french.

"we" only witness it on the day they die. And on the day they die---they don't even know they are going to die.

So---please---refrain from using brave comments.

Isn't that how it was with the american tech---the opponent never knew when they died.

War is ugly business which we should avoid but looking at Pakistan f16s against India we saw how effective Usa systems are against opponents, its tested technology v Chinese tech which we can praise as much as we can but have no idea how it will be on the day.
I personally would rather live in peace than spending billions on weapons to kill each other.

 

[PakAlp]

What is this comment.

Tejas was designed as a Gnat replacement three decades ago.

Not even in the same league as a JF-17 - which by the way was an F-16 replacement....

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Jf17 is a 4th generation plane which is loaded with high tech weapons to replace all f7s and Mirages, it is also affordable to those countries who don't have a large expenditure. Jf17 Block 3 is on another level, with better systems and longer missile range. It may not be as good as the f16s or J10cs but its certainly a effective fighter jet. India should have inducted Tejas 20 years ago in order to dominate Pakistan but the project became a failure and little too late. India should be inducting 5th generation jet by now but instead is waiting for Tejas. Pakistan on the other hand knows they cannot get any Usa/European plane so made plans to build Jf17 and already has 138+ planes. Which project is failure and which is success is obvious.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Pakistan has full capacity to produce trainer aircraft.
Jf-17B is model number.

JF-17 two-seat variant – The Diplomat

Asia-Pacific’s leading current affairs magazine.

thediplomat.com

What a load of rubbish, maybe this question should ask HAL industry what happened with Tejas coffin ? eh?

Yes we are greatful to China not America for providing ToT.

Be real man not FULL but PARTIAL capability we have to produce JF-17 at home, whether it single seater or dual seater

 

[airmarshal]

For a country the size of India, 36 Rafale aircraft are just not enough. Indonesia ordered 80 just now.

India took 15 years to get 36 aircraft. While Qatar and Egypt which started negotiations recently already have same numbers.

This shows how slow and out of tune India's procurement is.

Also, for Indian members. Before you brag about who you are, just remember Feb 27th, 2019. PAF outclassed India. Your services chiefs, with grim faces, were complaining to USA holding AIM-120C5 shrapnel. This means the BVR missile killed your aircraft. This missile by the way has a very high kill ratio. So definitely your Su-30MKI was shot down, which you indirectly admitted.

 

[MastanKhan]

War is ugly business which we should avoid but looking at Pakistan f16s against India we saw how effective Usa systems are against opponents, its tested technology v Chinese tech which we can praise as much as we can but have no idea how it will be on the day.
I personally would rather live in peace than spending billions on weapons to kill each other.

Hi,

Technology is not tested in the battlefield---.

A war is a bad time to test the technology.

Technology is tested years before a conflict starts---.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

What is this comment.

Tejas was designed as a Gnat replacement three decades ago.

Not even in the same league as a JF-17 - which by the way was an F-16 replacement....

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Just for correction...

Jf17 was purchased to replace the ageing A-5C, F-7P/PG, Mirage III, and Mirage V

And Hal Tejas was built to replace mig 21

 

[Signalian]

The JF-17 block 3 is decent but not in the league of the Rafale.

The western tech effect on IAF is massive. One of the reasons for getting Rafale. IAF doesn't hold JFT or J-10 as menace in their threat spectrum, its the F-16 which sends the shivers to them. Had PAF got EFT instead of J-10, the effect would have been high.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

For a country the size of India, 36 Rafale aircraft are just not enough. Indonesia ordered 80 just now.

India took 15 years to get 36 aircraft. While Qatar and Egypt which started negotiations recently already have same numbers.

This shows how slow and out of tune India's procurement is.

Also, for Indian members. Before you brag about who you are, just remember Feb 27th, 2019. PAF outclassed India. Your services chiefs, with grim faces, were complaining to USA holding AIM-120C5 shrapnel. This means the BVR missile killed your aircraft. This missile by the way has a very high kill ratio. So definitely your Su-30MKI was shot down, which you indirectly admitted.

I don't believe that we need more money for Rafale fighter.

We have decent fighter Squadrons..

We should wait another 10 years... Hal Tejas mk2, Hal TEDBF for navy and AMCA.... Should be more focus, save the some money and work on these fighters

For stop gap, HAL Tejas Mk1a would be enough as per present Air forces situation in South asia

To me, more worrisome situation is chinese fighters with approx 200km missiles... iAF should also focus to equip their fighters with Astra-2 and Astra 3 (160 and 300) km... As early as possible.

 

[White and Green with M/S]

What is this comment.

Tejas was designed as a Gnat replacement three decades ago.

Not even in the same league as a JF-17 - which by the way was an F-16 replacement....

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No brother Tejas is for their Mig-21 replacement and JF is not replacement for F-16 but our older mirages and F-7 in our inventory

 

[Signalian]

We've seen loadouts with a single Rafale carrying three bags, four ASM Hammer, four MICA and two Meteors. They could probably also carry a pod on top of that if necessary. It might be a pig to fly with that configuration, but to achieve that on our side you'd need two aircraft.

I get what the Retd AM is saying, but perhaps we needn't engage in this bravado, IMO rhetorically we've been too braggadocious following the last engagement.

JFT is a test bed for PAF after experiencing Mirage and F-7 upgrades as it can be experimented with armament, pods, and new tactics.