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Rafale jet deal put on the back burner, French Minister leaves with hopes alone

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French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian came to Delhi, charmed his counterpart A K Antony, but could not conquer.

After three days in India, when he held formal talks with the Indian defence ministry top brass and also lectured the Indian military think-tank IDSA, Le Drian returned home Saturday empty-handed, without even the Rs 1 lakh crore combat jets deal for which French Rafale was chosen as the lowest bidder in January 2012.

Apart from pitching for broader defence ties, Le Drian had to admit he faced the risk of disappointing the discerning strategic thinkers and defence watchers in India and France on the “priority” Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract.

“Of course, the MMRCA project is the priority. At the risk of disappointing you, I will not be announcing the date of signing the contract,” Le Drian said at IDSA.

The bottom line is: The “most important defence deal in history” to supply Rafale for the Indian Air Force (IAF) may not happen in the near future or during the 2013-14 fiscal, or even during the tenure of the present UPA II government that ends next May.

There were enough signals in this regard during Le Drian’s stay in the Indian capital and during his and his officials’ interaction with the media and the intelligentsia. Le Drian, however, exuded confidence that the contract itself, which was bagged by French firm Dassault Aviation, was not in trouble over the poor financial state of the company.

Dassault Aviation’s Rafale plane had won the stiffly fought four-and-a-half-year contest against European consortium EADS Cassidian’s Eurofighter Typhoon, American major Boeing’s F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin’s F-16, Russian United Aircraft Corporation’s MiG-35 and Swedish Saab’s Gripen.

To assure India that fiscally troubled Dassault Aviation is able to complete the contract obligations in full, the French government will now provide guarantees through an agreement with the Indian government in the MMRCA contract.

“This new agreement needs to be negotiated and hence the deal could be further delayed,” said a senior Indian defence ministry official.

Asked if the French were confident of signing the deal before the next Lok Sabha elections scheduled in April-May next year, a source close to the French defence minister virtually confirmed the fears that this may not be possible, saying: “There was never any deadline for signing of this contract. Negotiations are progressing well. Once these are completed, the contract will be signed.”

The source also noted that the acquisition process for the MMRCA was “complicated” due to “numerous negotiations” for sub-contracts with a large number of Indian Small and Medium Scale Enterprises that are suppliers to the Indian public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the primary licenced production agency for the Rafale planes.

The Indian SMEs will be manufacturing and supplying the parts and sub-parts required by HAL to assemble the Rafale at its facility in India. Dassault Aviation will supply the first 18 Rafales from its production facility in France, but HAL will be licence-building the rest 108 Rafales of the 126-plane order at its facility here in India.

That apart, the contract-signing is delayed over issues arising out of the offset provisions, under which Dassault Aviation will plough back 50 per cent of the deal amount in Indian defence sector, through either direct purchases or providing technological know-how.

“These are complicated processes and the proposals for offset and technology transfer have to be gone over through a fine tooth comb,” a defence ministry official averred.

Since the January 2012 selection of Dassault Aviation as the lowest bidder in the August 2007 MMRCA tender, already 18 months have lapsed. With the UPA II government heading towards a General Election, the window of opportunity for signing of the contract within the tenure of the Manmohan Singh administration may end by December 2013.

The nation and its air force may have to wait for the next government before the MMRCA deal is through and the much-needed induction of the new Rafale planes into the IAF fleet may be further pushed to 2018.

The IAF badly needs to reinforce its combat fleet strength due to its fast-depleting numbers, which is likely to dip to 29 squadrons from the present 33 by 2018, as the ageing Soviet-origin MiG-21s’ phase-out will begin in 2017. The induction of Rafales from 2018 will help arrest the depletion of the IAF’s squadron strength, which will go up to 42 squadrons on the strength of the new inductions, which will include the Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) by 2025.

Link - Rafale jet deal put on the back burner, French Minister leaves with hopes alone | idrw.org
 
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Dont worry Mr Jean-Yves Le Drian rafale deal is not going anywhere ,it would be signed before elections

This UPA govt would cleverly sign the deal & take it's commissions before the elections & pass the burden of payment for poor OL NAMO to pay :cry:
 
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Indians usually lure in such dignitaries to earn a statement or two against Pakistan... After the recent shame of 26-11 drama being exposed... Indians needed to do this.

Hope world understands Indian ploy.

Are you daft? Where in the article does it mention anything against your country? Actually never mind, this is what most of the idiots on both sides of the border do best......pull a bit of this and a bit of that and voila....instant conspiracy theory...
 
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Rafale jet deal put on the back burner, French Minister leaves with hopes alone

Antony.jpg


French Defence Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian came to Delhi, charmed his counterpart A K Antony, but could not conquer.

After three days in India, when he held formal talks with the Indian defence ministry top brass and also lectured the Indian military think-tank IDSA, Le Drian returned home Saturday empty-handed, without even the Rs 1 lakh crore combat jets deal for which French Rafale was chosen as the lowest bidder in January 2012.

Apart from pitching for broader defence ties, Le Drian had to admit he faced the risk of disappointing the discerning strategic thinkers and defence watchers in India and France on the “priority” Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) contract.

“Of course, the MMRCA project is the priority. At the risk of disappointing you, I will not be announcing the date of signing the contract,” Le Drian said at IDSA.

The bottom line is: The “most important defence deal in history” to supply Rafale for the Indian Air Force (IAF) may not happen in the near future or during the 2013-14 fiscal, or even during the tenure of the present UPA II government that ends next May.

There were enough signals in this regard during Le Drian’s stay in the Indian capital and during his and his officials’ interaction with the media and the intelligentsia. Le Drian, however, exuded confidence that the contract itself, which was bagged by French firm Dassault Aviation, was not in trouble over the poor financial state of the company.

Dassault Aviation’s Rafale plane had won the stiffly fought four-and-a-half-year contest against European consortium EADS Cassidian’s Eurofighter Typhoon, American major Boeing’s F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin’s F-16, Russian United Aircraft Corporation’s MiG-35 and Swedish Saab’s Gripen.

To assure India that fiscally troubled Dassault Aviation is able to complete the contract obligations in full, the French government will now provide guarantees through an agreement with the Indian government in the MMRCA contract.

“This new agreement needs to be negotiated and hence the deal could be further delayed,” said a senior Indian defence ministry official.

Asked if the French were confident of signing the deal before the next Lok Sabha elections scheduled in April-May next year, a source close to the French defence minister virtually confirmed the fears that this may not be possible, saying: “There was never any deadline for signing of this contract. Negotiations are progressing well. Once these are completed, the contract will be signed.”

The source also noted that the acquisition process for the MMRCA was “complicated” due to “numerous negotiations” for sub-contracts with a large number of Indian Small and Medium Scale Enterprises that are suppliers to the Indian public sector Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the primary licenced production agency for the Rafale planes.

The Indian SMEs will be manufacturing and supplying the parts and sub-parts required by HAL to assemble the Rafale at its facility in India. Dassault Aviation will supply the first 18 Rafales from its production facility in France, but HAL will be licence-building the rest 108 Rafales of the 126-plane order at its facility here in India.

That apart, the contract-signing is delayed over issues arising out of the offset provisions, under which Dassault Aviation will plough back 50 per cent of the deal amount in Indian defence sector, through either direct purchases or providing technological know-how.

“These are complicated processes and the proposals for offset and technology transfer have to be gone over through a fine tooth comb,” a defence ministry official averred.

Since the January 2012 selection of Dassault Aviation as the lowest bidder in the August 2007 MMRCA tender, already 18 months have lapsed. With the UPA II government heading towards a General Election, the window of opportunity for signing of the contract within the tenure of the Manmohan Singh administration may end by December 2013.

The nation and its air force may have to wait for the next government before the MMRCA deal is through and the much-needed induction of the new Rafale planes into the IAF fleet may be further pushed to 2018.

The IAF badly needs to reinforce its combat fleet strength due to its fast-depleting numbers, which is likely to dip to 29 squadrons from the present 33 by 2018, as the ageing Soviet-origin MiG-21s’ phase-out will begin in 2017. The induction of Rafales from 2018 will help arrest the depletion of the IAF’s squadron strength, which will go up to 42 squadrons on the strength of the new inductions, which will include the Indo-Russian Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft (FGFA) by 2025.

Link - Rafale jet deal put on the back burner, French Minister leaves with hopes alone | idrw.org

I think the money they have put to visit and convince them should be put to convince Brazil and Taiwan to gain license to produce it on their own land. I am sure that Taiwan and Brazil deal would be similar to 200+ planes and then Dassault might have some cash from which they can produce the dual seat Naval version which Brazilian Navy would easily bought.

For IAF, I think better to sell them directly from France...
 
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India lacks the funds to complete the deal。

With the economy crawling at 5% annual growth,hundreds of millions of poors to feed,and an up-coming election that will waste billions of dollars,India can hardly afford the planes the cost of which is rising every day。
 
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There were enough signals in this regard during Le Drian’s stay in the Indian capital and during his and his officials’ interaction with the media and the intelligentsia. Le Drian, however, exuded confidence that the contract itself, which was bagged by French firm Dassault Aviation, was not in trouble over the poor financial state of the company.

Dassault Aviation’s Rafale plane had won the stiffly fought four-and-a-half-year contest against European consortium EADS Cassidian’s Eurofighter Typhoon, American major Boeing’s F/A-18 and Lockheed Martin’s F-16, Russian United Aircraft Corporation’s MiG-35 and Swedish Saab’s Gripen.

To assure India that fiscally troubled Dassault Aviation is able to complete the contract obligations in full, the French government will now provide guarantees through an agreement with the Indian government in the MMRCA contract.

“This new agreement needs to be negotiated and hence the deal could be further delayed,” said a senior Indian defence ministry official.



Is it possible that Indian govt might be buying a stake in Dassault.Hence, this new agreement.
@sancho, @Abingdonboy or any senior members, ur thoughts???
 
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“These are complicated processes and the proposals for offset and technology transfer have to be gone over through a fine tooth comba defence ministry official averred.

So WTF have these idiots been doing for the past several years??? :pissed:


Probably contracting for another tooth comb in the international market which will likely take another 5 years and would require another tooth comb for going through the earlier tooth comb contract! :angry:

Sh!t, man! We suck big time. Procrastination is what we're experts in!
 
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India lacks the funds to complete the deal。

With the economy crawling at 5% annual growth,hundreds of millions of poors to feed,and an up-coming election that will waste billions of dollars,India can hardly afford the planes the cost of which is rising every day。


You again!!!!

Okay, we dnt have money, now tell all of ur chinese companies to pack-up and leave India.
 
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Agree with DrSomnath .
The government is waiting for an oppurtune time to declare the deal done. IAF has technically given the green flag, and had it not been pampered child HAL in the way, we could've started the 18 months countdown for the first bird to arrive in India.
Remember even the Barak deal was done just before general elections, so there is no case of No Big Deal before Elections here.
 
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Yet another delay or just idrw :undecided:
One thing is clear that there is problem on something or things. But question is why the hell bothsides are keeping silence on it ??? Or not solving it ???
If India is asking too much Dassault should say that and if french company is not willing to do what it supposed to GOI should say that publicly ;) but all we hear is everything is fine and we get a new date every time

Well if it doesnt get signed before PAK-FA hit production line in late 2014 it will be better to buy PAK-FA then
Is it possible that Indian govt might be buying a stake in Dassault.Hence, this new agreement.
@sancho, @Abingdonboy or any senior members, ur thoughts???

It is just about the garrenty of French government that Dassault is in good financial state will be able to complete the deal if any such conditions occour French govt will take care of that like bail out the company
 
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Indian bureaucrats & poltician always follow lesson in story of turtle & rabbit's race.
 
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