RACES IN PAKISTAN

[Vinod2070]

And if Sanskrit is a Pakistani language and Rigveda a Pakistani scripture, let me know some respected institutes in Pakistan where it is taught and how many students are actively pursuing it. What steps is Pakistan taking to preserve and promote their heritage?

 

[BelligerentPacifist]

Originally Posted by Vinod2070
"Most Pakistanis anyway consider themselves of Arab origin."
What??? never heard that from Pakistanis themselves. How do YOU know that most of us do?

 

[Vinod2070]

Originally Posted by Vinod2070
"Most Pakistanis anyway consider themselves of Arab origin."
What??? never heard that from Pakistanis themselves. How do YOU know that most of us do?

I have read several articles written by Pakistani writers on this.

Will try to find a link to some, time permitting.

Even your Musharraf has claimed himself of Saudi origin in his book. There are supposed to be more Qureshis (supposedly Arab origin) in Pakistan than there are Arabs.

Do a bit of study on this and you will find your answer.

 

[Flintlock]

I never claimed IVC was exclusively Aryan or Dravidian. It was probably a mix of the two (predominantly Aryan I will go for, but it's just a guess).

Didn't the aryans migrate after the decline of the harappans? Or cause it?

And assuming for a moment that it was 'a mix of aryan and dravidian', why would you favour the 'aryans' over the 'dravidians'?

You didn't read what I wrote. Sanskrit was developed in Pakistan, it had only been adopted in India. But Sanskrit is a Pakistani language. English might be spoken in Canada as a first language, but it developed in England. Therefore it is an English language, just like Sanskrit is a Pakistani language.

Really? Can you provide us with a brief history of sanskrit?

Here is a book with a detailed study of the evolution of Sanskrit:

A History of Sanskrit Literature - Google Book Search

Oh, this is just something I remembered: Panini was a Hindu Go have fun with that!

 

[SSG VIPER]

It's full of mistakes. Too many. I'll begin.



First mistake. They're not "Races" of Pakistan, they're ethnic groups of Pakistan. Pakistan is mainly a single race, but many ethnic groups (call them sub-races if you want to).



This is taken from wiki so you can imagine how incorrect it would be.

Punjabi people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Eastern Punjabis I guess are an "Indian race", Pathans are not an Indian race. Western Punjabis are a Pakistani ethnic group. The origin of the Punjabis I would say is part Aryan and part Dravidian. The most Aryan people in Asia I would say are Pashtuns along the Afghan-Pak border. By the time the Eastern Indo-Pak border is reached the majority of people begin to look different.



Well this is all nonsense. Punjabis are basically Pashtun, but more dravidianized. The Dravidian epicentre is in central India, so it would be expected that they would be more dravidianzed than Pashtuns.



Well, Baloch are definitely not an "Iranian" people genetically. They might be classed as speaking an Iranic language, which doesn't mean much, and certainly isn't related to modern day Iran. It's a deceptive description to call the Balock an "Iranian" people..they have nothing in common with Persians who form the majority of modern day Iran.



Another wiki link
Baloch people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Baloch have nothing to do with modern day Iran, linguistically or genetically. Kurds are another matter.



"The Dravidian culture blossomed over the centuries and gave rise to the Indus Valley Civilization of Ancient India" .. need I say anymore? It's obviously written by some Indian claiming the Indus Valley Civilization was a Tamil/Dravidian civilization.



Well this is all bs. It's from Mosaich.com, and that site really does post rubbish. Pathans have nothing to do with any lost tribe of Israel. This has been genetically proved. Pathans have everything to do with Central Asia, and if there's any group in Asia that could claim to be Aryan, the Pathans would have the biggest creditable reasons to claim it. Much genetic evidence and physical evidence supports this.

Dude i dont know where u got the idea of Rajpoots being pushtoons i dont think we have much similarities with either GUJJARS LOL the cow people or sariakes or jatts who are basically PUNJABIS unlike RAJPOOTS who are frm either RAJPUTANA,ARUNACHAL PARDESH BORDERING CHINA,KASHMIR AND UTTAR PARDESH....And RAJPOOTS ARE AN ETHINIC GROUP THEMSELVES JUST LIKE PUSHTOONS OR BALOUCH.MAY BE U CAN EXPLAIN UR OPINION ABT RAJPOOTS SIR.:

REGUARDS PROUD MUSLIM RAJPOOT

 

[SSG VIPER]

Fine



Punjabis, Sindhis, Pathans, Baloch, Northern Areas people are all from the same ancestral stock that moved to the Indus Valley from central Asia, thousands of years ago. The DIFFERENCE between each is the amount of Dravidianization each has undergone. I can post evidence for this, and will do say later.



Not really, at least not imo, since we have no solid idea what an Aryan looked like. However, we should be 99.9999% certain they looked like the characters in the Rig Veda. Some had coloured hair, some had coloured eyes, some were dark haired and dark eyed. The Punjabis are (on the whole, though not entirely) more dark haired and dark eyed than Pathans - this is because Pathans are more closer to the original Aryan stock, and less Dravidianized, or Persianized. The Pathans on the border with Afghanistan would be the closest to pure Aryans, at least in Asia. The Punjabis would be closer to being Aryans than say a Gujerati or a Rajput from Rajasthan.



India is predominantly Dravidian. The Punjabis of India (excluding those that crossed over at Partition from Pakistan), are less Aryan than the Punjabis of Pakistan, who are less Aryan than the Pathans.



Outdated stuff. We know for a fact Baochis are from central asia, like Pathans in fact. Their language is another matter.



People can wish that they are from Israel, they can wish they're from Sri Lanka, but genetics will tell the truthful answer. And Pathans are from Central Asia and are very Aryan (which can be proved).



Sure, debate. I will add more later.

Balouch are not aryans they are arabs and consider then selves to be the descendents of HAZRAT HAMZA and by there looks if u have seen them they dont look like iranians or afghans more like sindhis and if so wat abt the sindhi or saraeki balouch wat are they?Arians and wat abt the pathans of Nowshehra or mardan region how much davidianised are they.I personally think tht its not just the dravidianizing but the atmosphere or enviorment tht effects u much more like pushtoons of the peshawar ,mardan region have small heights as compaired to the punjabis living near attock or potohar region,And i think tht INDIANS SHOULD STOP LYING THT THEY LOOK LIKE PAKISTANIS AS A WHOLE INDIANS LOOK ORE LIKE SRI LANKANS THEN PAKISTANS.ABT THERE TV MAN MOST OF UR TV ACTORS ARE PUNJABI OR NORTH INDIANS LIKE AKSHAY KUMAR BOBEY DEOL ETC.AND LOOK AT THE OTHER GUYS RACHNI KANT WHO IS AVERAGE LOOKING INDIAN NOW COMPAIR THEM TO AVERAGE PAKISTANIS ULL GET UR ANSWER.SECOND MOST OF INDIANS HAVE LOST THER ETHNICITY BY INTER MARRIAGES ETC FOR EXAMPLE AN ORDINARY RAJPOOT DOESNT LOOK LIKE OTHER INDIANS AND HENCE HE CAN BE IDENTIFIED IN A CROWD OF INDIAN PEOPLE.ITS BECAUSE MOST RAJPOOTS TILL NOW INCLUDING MUSLIM RAJPOOTS MARRY IN THERE OWN PEOPLE (ETHNICITY OR CASTE) SAME CAN BE APPLIED FOR JATTS BUT OR KASHMIRI RAJPOOTS.YES IN PAKISTAN THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE SMALL HEIGHT AND A LITTLE DARKER COMPLEXION THEN OTHERS MOSTLY NO OFFENCE ARE CHRISTIANS OR *** IN INDIA U SAY LOW CASTES LIKE COBBLERS,WASHERMEN OR PEOPLE OF THE SAME CLASS AND SAME CAN BE SAID FOR PUSHTON TO AN EXTENT.SO ON THIS BASES WE CAN SAY THT INDIA AS A WHOLE IS MUCH DARKER OR SHORTER THEN PAKISTAN EXCLUDING REAL(RAJPOOTS,JATTS,KASHMIRI RAJPUTS OR GUJJARS) AGAIN I GIVE U THE EXAMPLE OF UR MOVIE ACTORS WHO ARE EITHER PUNJABIS(JATTS,AND OTHERS NO LOW CASTES),RAJPUTS,KHANS.I MYSELF AM A RAJPOOT NEITHER AM I DARK OR SHORT.LOL MAYBE NOT 6.5 COMPAIRED TO SOME OTHERMEMBERS HERE BUT IM 6 FEET AND SO ARE ALL MY FAMILY MEMBERS...SO I HOPE INDIANS CAN CUT THERE STUPID ARGUEMENTS IN WHICH THEY RANT THT PAKISTANIS LOOK LIKE THEM AS A WHOLE(HOW MANY INDIANS LOOK LIKE (PUNJABI)KAREENA KAPOOR OR (KASHMIRI)KATRINA OR (PUNJABI)HRITIK ROSHAN,(RAJPUT) ASHWARIYA RAI....BARELY 5% OR 10 % IF U TAKE IT TO EXTREME MAY BE NO MORE THEN 20 % INDIANS.WITH BARELY 2 % INDIAN PUNJABIS AND KASHMIRIS WHO ARE NOT INDIAN.THOUGH THEY MAY BE GUJJARS RAJPOOTS OR SYEDS.AND RAJPOOTS WHO ARE CONSIDERED TO BE FRM RAM AND SEETA AND LAKSHMAN?????? DUDE STOP LIVING IN FOOLS PARADISE>>>>>>> MY FREE AND SINCERE ADVICE STOP UR STUPID ACCESMENT AND STOP BEING OBSESSED BY THOSE CRAZY IDEAS U GUYS ARE NOTHING LIKE US..ONLY A FEW 10% OR 15% INDIANS CAN BE CALLED PAKISTANI LOOKING
REGUARD

 

[MilesTogo]

You have very interesting views. I have read about the Aryan invasion theory and counter theory (out of India) but never found any literature from a Pakistani prospective as you have attempted to do here. Please share any articles by Pakistani authors/experts/scientists on this issue. Thanks

PS - I agree with you partially.

The Rig Veda is not a Hindu book. You can claim it as Hindu, but it is a Vedic (Pakistani) book.

Even if all Pakistanis considered themselves to be Arab in origin, it would not matter. An African can consider himself to be Chinese, but wouldn't be. A Pakistani can consider himself to be Arab, but wouldn't be.

Well, Aryans is not a Hindu word. Aryan is a Sanskrit word. Sanskrit was developed in Pakistan. It has nothing to do with India. You just adopted Sanskrit and simplified it into Hindi.

 

[Jatt Boy]

Janjuas are in India too.

I'm Sidhu, Sidhu-Brar are the descendants of Bhatti Rajputs. They claim Yaduvanshi descent. At one time, the Bhattis ruled over the lands of Northern India, Pakistan and Afghanistan, from Mathura to Ghazni. Ghazni and Lahore were seized by the king of Bukhara (in today's Uzbekistan) after a long period. The Bhattis migrated and settled in the area of Bhatner (Hanumangarh in present-day northern Rajasthan).

When Muhammad Ghori invaded India, he was given maximum support by Rao Hemraj and his followers. Rao Hemraj was rewarded with the control of the Sirsa, Hisar and Bathinda areas. Rao Hemraj built a fort in Hisar. He ousted the Panwar Rajputs from the area of Muktsar.

Rao Hemraj's son Jondhar had twenty-one sons, each of whom founded a new clan. One of his grandsons, Mangal Rao, rebelled against the Delhi government, but was killed. Khiva Rao, a grandson of Mangal Rao, had no issue. He married a girl from a Sarao Jat family. He was discared by his community and built Khiva Khota.

Khiva Rao sired Sidhu Rao in around 1250. Sidhu Rao's descendants merged back with the Jat community. Sidhu is the founder of the Sidhu Clan.

Sidhu was also married into a Gill Jat tribe. He sired six sons from this marriage.

We merged back with the Jat community in 1250.

Sidhus and Brars during the lifetime of the Sikh Gurus

Akbar appointed Bhallan Brar as Chaudhry of his area. He died in 1543.

During Guru Gobind Singh's time, the Sidhu/Brars dominated the Malwa region of the Punjab. Aurangzeb too dreaded the Sidhu/Brars and did not dare enter Malwa. Guru Gobind Singh in his Zafarnama referred to the Sidhu/Brars saying that all the Sidhu/Brars supported him.

Sidhu and Brar kingdoms

Sidhus and Brars had five principalities of their own in the Malwa region of the Punjab prior to the Partition. These were Patiala, Nabha, Jind, Kaithal and Faridkot. After the Partition, Patiala, Nabha, Jind and Faridkot, along with three other princely states (Kapurthala, Malerkotla and Kalsia) formed the short-lived Patiala and East Punjab States Union (PEPSU), with the Maharja of Patiala, Yadavindrah Singh as the Rajpramukh and the capital at the city of Patiala. PEPSU was later incorporated into the new state of Punjab, from which Himachal Pradesh and Haryana were later separated due to the reorganization of Indian states on a linguistic basis.

 

[arsenal_gooner]

mosabja,

I'm pathan and me and my ancestors are not from Israel.

i agree . wrora


as for the writing LOL its absolutly laughable ,most of it referes to places and names and nothing about the people

 

[s90]

Kashmiris are Aryan,right?

 

[muslim282]

Muslim-pakistani-punjabi-rajput from yorkshire in england.
Thats my identity then.

Any arains on the forum, I heard some obsession this cast has with onions.

 

[SparklingCrescent]

very interesting....

pathan for life !!!

 

[Incredible India]

Pakistan's history is Sanskrit and Rig Veda. Just because Pakistan has become Islamic, does not mean you are free to try and steal its history, which will always remain Pakistani history.

The Vedas comprise a vast corpus of Sanskrit poetry, philosophical dialogue, myth, and ritual incantations developed and composed by Aryans over 3,500 years ago. Regarded by Hindus as the primary source of knowledge and the sacred foundation of their religion, the Vedas embody one of the worlds oldest surviving cultural traditions.
The Vedic heritage embraces a multitude of texts and interpretations collected in four Vedas, commonly referred to as books of knowledge even though they have been transmitted orally. The Rig Veda is an anthology of sacred hymns; the Sama Veda features musical arrangements of hymns from the Rig Veda and other sources; the Yajur Veda abounds in prayers and sacrificial formulae used by priests; and the Atharna Veda includes incantations and spells. The Vedas also offer insight into the history of Hinduism and the early development of several artistic, scientific and philosophical concepts, such as the concept of zero.
Expressed in the Vedic language, which is derived from classical Sanskrit, the verses of the Vedas were traditionally chanted during sacred rituals and recited daily in Vedic communities. The value of this tradition lies not only in the rich content of its oral literature but also in the ingenious techniques employed by the Brahmin priests in preserving the texts intact over thousands of years. To ensure that the sound of each word remains unaltered, practitioners are taught from childhood complex recitation techniques that are based on tonal accents, a unique manner of pronouncing each letter and specific speech combinations.
Although the Vedas continue to play an important role in contemporary Indian life, only thirteen of the over one thousand Vedic recitation branches have survived. Moreover, four noted schools in Maharashtra (central India), Kerala and Karnataka (southern India) and Orissa (eastern India) are considered under imminent threat.

 

[SSG VIPER]

I have read several articles written by Pakistani writers on this.

Will try to find a link to some, time permitting.

Even your Musharraf has claimed himself of Saudi origin in his book. There are supposed to be more Qureshis (supposedly Arab origin) in Pakistan than there are Arabs.

Do a bit of study on this and you will find your answer.[/QUOWow i can only think how enlighted u r musharaf is a syed...a desendent of Hazrat Muhhamad SAWs grandchildren...So remember islamisation of this region mny muslim scholars came and stayed here for propogating the true religion syeds can be in any community these people are descendants of scohlars or saints who came to spread islam..For example take Pakistans minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi he is the descendant of Hazrat Bahawudin Zakariya a pious saint who is sleeping in his tomb in multan and till now his gadi nsheen,waris or inheritant is Mr Mehmood qureshi so wat will u call him??????????????? as well as there are even people who are mixed for example a well known pakistani band FUSIONs lead guitarist or singer Emu is half arab and half burmese his father came to pakistan in 970s so wat will u call him indian ??? we are in punjab Rajputs these people speak any language or local language where they live its a seperate race ,Jatts,Shieks same arab race came here in vrious periouds ***** kashmiris ariens claim iranian origin,yes the xtians no offence are dravadians difference can be well noted just by viewing there faces or facial structures and dark color like indian so dont try obbsesively to make pakistanis look like dark short heighted indians COZ WE ARENT

 

[waraich66]

Waraich tribe belong to Khan(Bani Israel) or Jat Tribe???