RACES IN PAKISTAN

[Sam_Bajwa]

Waraich tribe belong to Khan(Bani Israel) or Jat Tribe???

1> Waraich is a clan.
2>They are Jats (some might be rajputs)
3>Like other Jats they are aryan or indo-scythian
this link is for you

Waraich (Warraich) at AllExperts


Bajwa

 

[Ahmad]

Ok I can call them ethnic groups.

I am sorry I didnt even take a word from MOSCHIACH about Pathans I would send you the source.PATHANS them selves say that they are from Bani Israel then how can you contradict that .There are some very strong arguments in favour of that.The tribal elders them selves say that Pathans are a bani israel race.YOu cannot cannot cannnot contradict that .If you wish then you can have a debate with me on this issue.

there are different theories about pathans. i am not gona get into details of that, but if we argue about the name of places especially the places which are not traditionally Pathan areas(in afghanistan) then the whole argument would colapse. for example you said about amu darya and herat which is not traditionally a pathan area. by the way, i have never ever heard the word Gozan to be used for Amu Darya in Afghanistan, i dont know where you got it from.

 

[Ahmad]

the word Khan is more associated with the Mughals than the jews. Changiz Khan, Halaku Khan etc.

 

[Ahmad]

i agree . wrora


as for the writing LOL its absolutly laughable ,most of it referes to places and names and nothing about the people

I have seen that Pakistanis(Pathans of Pakistan) call themselves as Israelis(obviousely not all of them say so). and Pashtoons of Afghanistan call themselves as Aryians. there is also some theories that consider the Ghilzai Pashtoons having Turkic origin.

 

[Barrett]

Self delete

 

[Ahmad]

AT THE END OF IT .GIVE ME CENTRAL ASIAN ORIGINS OF THE NAMES OF ALL THESE PLACES.

I dont have much grip on this issues of race, but the i need to highlight some of the issues that dont seem cridble here to me:


Can you explain why the names of pathan cities are like this.

4. Zabul Zabul was the name of the Son or grandson of Israel and also it’s the name province in Afghanistan.The fact is during the time Mahmud Ghaznavi,the whole of Afghanistan was called as ZABUL as famous poet FIRDAUSI called Mahmud as SHAH-E-ZABUL i.e King of Zabul.(Also this is ignored by the Wicked Historians of the West)

This is completely incorrect, Name of Afghanistan was Khorasan not far from today. it was the british who played some games and changed its historical name to Afghanistan. Zabul has always been a provice not the name of the country. By the way, there is another Zabul in Iran, do you call the Iranians as jews?

5. Khyber A fort of Jews during the time of Dear Prophet Muhammad(sallalaho alay hay wa sallam)...and also a place on Pakistan and Afghanistan border which also has the same meaning as that of Hebrew i.e Fort.

What has this got to do with the Khyber in Hazrat Mohamad(PBUH) time? The Khyber in AFghanstan you refer is not Khyber , but Shyber(شیب&#1585. That is located in Bamyan provice which dont have any Pashtoon at all. Shyber is thought to be from the original word of Shah Bahar.


7. GOZAN (The Amu Darya):Also Gozan is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribe. In Afghanistan the river Amu was also called River Gozan according to Afghani tradition. Therefore Historian Saadia Gaon called the Amu darya al the place of exile of the lost tribe. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of

I dont know where you get that from? Nobody knows what Gozan is in Afghanisan!! Everybody knows that river as Amu Darya or Daryai Amu. Besides that, that part of Afghanistan is not the traditional area of Pathans, it is the traditonal area of the Tajiks.

8. Childern of Joseph Yusufzai a famous pashtoon tribe claim to be the decendant of Joseoh(Yusuf) i.e Prophet of Bani Israel.

This is a very week argument. If we hold to this theory then how can you explain the Ahmadzai tribe of the Pashtoons in Afghanistan? just because they have Ahmad in their name does not mean they are Arbas.

11. Lugar A province in Afghanistan and also a name of present day Israeli family name, not to forget the famous wrestler LEX LUGAR.

I dont think so, alot of people think that Logar is comprised 2 pashtoo words as Loy and Ghar, which means big mountain. By the way, Logar has been divided between Tajiks and Pashtoons, i dont know how you can explain the Tajik part of this provice? are they jewish too?


12. Kabul Kabul is capital of Afghanistan and its a Hebrew word .Cab means unpleasant(or dirty) and bul means city meaning unpleasant city.

This is the incorrect of all. Kabul provice especially kabul city is mostly inhabited by the Tajiks, pashtoons are not the origianl inhabitatn of this provice. secondly the name for kabul you have presented is wrong. kabul is widely considered beautiful place by the afghans and there other theories for its name, not this one you have given us.

13. KHAN Most Pathans use KHAN in their names which resembles COHEN used in Jewish names.Also in Israel there is a city called YOUNUS KHAN with the word KHAN in it.

Then how do you explain Changiz Khan? was he jewish too? I believe(dont have any creidble information about it though) that the origin of this word khan comes from the start of Mughal invastion, because it wasnt common in the region before. by the way, this word khan is also used by other ethnic groups in afghanistan not just pashtoons.


15. HARAT Also a place called HARA is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribes and HARAT is a famous city in Afghanistan. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of

Herat is traditionally the areas of Tajiks, not pashtoons. It is a well known city in the region and have been one of the cultural centres in afghanistan. it has also got some other suggested meanings other than the jewish one you give us.

16. KASH/KISH . Kish/Kash is is the name of numerous personalities mentioned in the Chronicles,all from the Bani-Israel,.like 1) A Levite of the family of Merari (1 Chr. 23:21; 24:29) ,(2.) A Benjamite of Jerusalem (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36), (3.) A Levite in the time of Hezekiah (2 Chr. 29:12). In Afghanistan many places are named after Kash/Kish,like the desert of Dasht-I-Kash, lies in the north of the Helmund., the city of KASH which is mentioned in the map of Afghanistan 1912 in the Library of Congress USA, the main mountain ranges of Afghanistan also called the HINDU-KUSH and KASH ROD in Nimroz province .

mostly the same lack of crediblity.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

Quest for the lost tribes:

I found A fascinating research done about those lost tribesmen. You may find the documentary below very informative and open doors for more authentic research. It's a 10 part documentary of the traces shown from Damascus, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan(Mardan?) and India etc.

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[ThunderCat]

Guys the race is Indo-Iranic. The subraces are Iranic, (pakhtuns, Balochis etc.) Indo-Aryan (Sindhi, Punjabi etc.) and Dardic (mostly Kashmiris)

 

[SparklingCrescent]

PATHANS

The most interesting origin is that of PATHANS.Them most convincing theory is that they are from LOST TRIBES OF ISRAEL.

Below are the names/places common among the Pathans and the Bani-Israel.

1. Pathan Pashtoons also known as Pathans.Very few people knows that Pithon is the name of the great-grandson of King Saul,mentioned among a list of hundreds of names chronicling the descendants of the Twelve Tribes (Ref:Chronicles I , 8:35)

8:34 The son of Jonathan:Meribbaal.8Meribbaal was the father of Micah.



8:35 The sons of Micahithon, Melech, Tarea, and Ahaz.

2. AFGHANISTAN Afghanistan is derived from "Afghana," the grandson of King Saul of the tribe of Benjamin. This Historical fact is also ignored by the “innocent” so called Western “Historians”



3. KOHAT City in the NWFP and also Meaning: assembly in Hebrew is the second son of Levi, and father of Amram (Gen. 46:11) He came down to Egypt with Jacob, and lived to the age of one hundred and thirty-three years (Ex. 6:18).Note: The so called great Western Historians also skipped this important fact in their writings just to conceal the truth.



4. Zabul Zabul was the name of the Son or grandson of Israel and also it’s the name province in Afghanistan.The fact is during the time Mahmud Ghaznavi,the whole of Afghanistan was called as ZABUL as famous poet FIRDAUSI called Mahmud as SHAH-E-ZABUL i.e King of Zabul.(Also this is ignored by the Wicked Historians of the West)



5. Khyber A fort of Jews during the time of Dear Prophet Muhammad(sallalaho alay hay wa sallam)...and also a place on Pakistan and Afghanistan border which also has the same meaning as that of Hebrew i.e Fort.



6. Peshawer This city in NWFP province of Pakistan has its name and location present in the Torah, a place called HABER or HAWER is mentioned as the place of exile of the lost tribes.Now Peshawer is comprised of two parts,the word Pesh means the Pass( which can be the famous Khyber Pass) and the Hawer means city and thus PESHAWAR means the city after the pass . Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



7. GOZAN (The Amu Darya):Also Gozan is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribe. In Afghanistan the river Amu was also called River Gozan according to Afghani tradition. Therefore Historian Saadia Gaon called the Amu darya al the place of exile of the lost tribe. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



8. Childern of Joseph Yusufzai a famous pashtoon tribe claim to be the decendant of Joseoh(Yusuf) i.e Prophet of Bani Israel.



9. Afridis This famous tribe of Pashtoons is named after the son of Israel called Ephraim or Afraim.



10. Karak This is a city in Jordon(formally part of ancient Jewish state and also its a city in NWFP province of Pakistan.



11. Lugar A province in Afghanistan and also a name of present day Israeli family name, not to forget the famous wrestler LEX LUGAR.



12. Kabul Kabul is capital of Afghanistan and its a Hebrew word .Cab means unpleasant(or dirty) and bul means city meaning unpleasant city.



13. KHAN Most Pathans use KHAN in their names which resembles COHEN used in Jewish names.Also in Israel there is a city called YOUNUS KHAN with the word KHAN in it.



14. TAKHT-E-SULEAMAN:This is the name of a place in the Pashtun area of Pakistan .It means the Throne of the Israeli King and also the Prophet Hazart Suleman (Alayhay Salam). This place is situated in the mountain ranges also named after King Solomon (Hazrat Suleman) as Koh-e-Suleman.



15. HARAT Also a place called HARA is mentioned in as the place of exile of the lost tribes and HARAT is a famous city in Afghanistan. Ref: (Kings II,17 and 18; Chronicles 1,5). Also check in Chronicles 5:26 at 1 Chronicles 5:26 So the God of Israel stirred up the spirit of



“The God of Israel stirred up the spirit of Pul king of Assyria, and the spirit of Tilgath Pilneser king of Assyria, and he carried them away, even the Reubenites, and the Gadites, and the half-tribe of Manasseh, and brought them to Halah, and Habor, and Hara, and to the river of Gozan, to this day.”



16. KASH/KISH . Kish/Kash is is the name of numerous personalities mentioned in the Chronicles,all from the Bani-Israel,.like 1) A Levite of the family of Merari (1 Chr. 23:21; 24:29) ,(2.) A Benjamite of Jerusalem (1 Chr. 8:30; 9:36), (3.) A Levite in the time of Hezekiah (2 Chr. 29:12). In Afghanistan many places are named after Kash/Kish,like the desert of Dasht-I-Kash, lies in the north of the Helmund., the city of KASH which is mentioned in the map of Afghanistan 1912 in the Library of Congress USA, the main mountain ranges of Afghanistan also called the HINDU-KUSH and KASH ROD in Nimroz province .



17. MADIAN In Bible history, Madian was where Israeli Prophet Hazrat Musa(alayhay salam) spent the 40 years between the time that he left Egypt after killing an Egyptian who had been beating a Hebrew (Ref:Exodus 2:11-15). In the Pathan area of SWAT valley in Pakistan there is also a city with the same name as MADIAN.





18. DASHT-YAHOODI (The Jewish Plain) There is a famous place in the district MARDAN in Pakistan which is called Dasht-e-Yahoodi since its existence. (Reference : (H.W. Bellew, An Enquiry into the Ethnography of Afghanistan, 34),



19. KILLA YAHOODI( THE FORT OF JEWS) TA place at the eastern boundry of the subcontinent (the Afghanistan border)is called KILLA YAHOODI (The fort of Jews) (Reference : (H.W. Bellew, An Enquiry into the Ethnography of Afghanistan, 34),


KASHMRIS

Some historians say that kashmiris are from ARYAN race .But there are others who say that they to like pathans are the lost tribe of israel.

Names like Israelites in Kashmir

Recently Mr. Ikbal Chapri, the owner of a houseboat called Haifa (the same name as a big city in Israel) in Srinagar, Kashmir, has written about this topic in the local newspapers.

His article was about the names of the tribes and places of Kashmir which are exactly Hebrew. I have a copy of two pages of the list. For example, one of the tribes of Kashmir is called Asheriya which is Asher, the tribe of Dand is Dan, Gadha is Gad, Lavi is Levi. The Tribe of Shaul is the Hebrew name of King Saul. Musa is Moses, Suliamanish is Solomon. And you also have the tribe of Israel, the tribe of Abri which is the tribe of Hebrew, and the tribe of Kahana which is the word for Jewish priest.

There are also 50-75 names of places in Kashmir which are in fact the Hebrew names that ancient Israelites were very familiar with. There is a place called Samaryah which is Samaria. Mamre is Mamre, Pishgah is Pisgah, Nabudaal is Mt. Nevo, Bushan is Bashan, Gilgit is Gilgal, Heshba is Heshbon, Amunah is Amon, Gochan is Goshen, Median-pura is Midian, and Guzana is Gozan which is a place name in Assyria and the very place where the Ten Tribes of Israel were deported.

The name Israel is very common among them as it is among the Pathans, and this name is never used among the Muslims. They also light a candle for the Sabbath, have sidelocks, beards, and emblem or design of the Shield of David.

Im an Israeli!!???? WHAT!!!??? please someone say Im not Israeli before I shoot myself.....

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No such thing - people should mingle openly with all different tribes and get to learn with each other

I am in favour of breaking existing provices to more smaller manigibly localities -