'Race' is a biological myth.

[rmi5]

@Horus @Nihonjin1051 @SvenSvensonov

About males and females, a thick cloud of feminism, masculinism has covered the issue.
What psychologists studies have shown about IQ, is that males and females have almost the same IQ levels, but the variance in IQ of males is more than females. So, if we consider the distribution of IQ is normal distribution or something close to it, there exists more smart men than women, but the other side of the coin is that there are more low IQ men than low IQ women as well. It can be seen by comparing top scientists, and also comparing centers for low IQ people. In both categories, males are more than females. I think it would be the same for many other aspects of each gender abilities as well.

 

[rmi5]

I can relate to that. The race as a genetic phenomenon is pure bullshit. All humans have the same ancestry and have the same DNA source.

About the definition of race, they were trying to use DNA to distinguish between different groups of people back in WW2 era. But, further studies showed that DNA is not going to do that distinguishing. Now, anthropologists use factors such as culture to define and distinguish among races, and not genetic factors.

 

[Steve781]

How can it be that the East Asian/ White/Black educational divide remains virtually the same in every country in the world ?

 

[Kompromat]

How can it be that the East Asian/ White/Black educational divide remains virtually the same in every country in the world ?

Maybe we are not yet willing to accept that our long held biases were bogus.

 

[Steve781]

Maybe we are not yet willing to accept that our long held biases were bogus.

What do you mean by that? Are educationalists purposely failing blacks and making sure East Asians pass? Imyself don,t know either way if there are innate differences between ethnic groups in this area but I do think there does need to be some kind of scientific study. The problem is the ghost of twentieth century eugenics and social Darwinism make such studies controversial.

 

[jaunty]

@Horus @Nihonjin1051 @SvenSvensonov

About males and females, a thick cloud of feminism, masculinism has covered the issue.
What psychologists studies have shown about IQ, is that males and females have almost the same IQ levels, but the variance in IQ of males is more than females. So, if we consider the distribution of IQ is normal distribution or something close to it, there exists more smart men than women, but the other side of the coin is that there are more low IQ men than low IQ women as well. It can be seen by comparing top scientists, and also comparing centers for low IQ people. In both categories, males are more than females. I think it would be the same for many other aspects of each gender abilities as well.

Interesting. The other day I was checking the FIDE top 100 and I was somewhat surprised to see only 2 women in the top 100 that too towards the end. I was wondering if that was due to low rates of participation or something else. If we are to take what you said to be true then I guess it may be one of the factors. Not sure if it's true or false though.

 

[rmi5]

What do you mean by that? Are educationalists purposely failing blacks and making sure East Asians pass? Imyself don,t know either way if there are innate differences between ethnic groups in this area but I do think there does need to be some kind of scientific study. The problem is the ghost of twentieth century eugenics and social Darwinism make such studies controversial.

First of all, it is not the same in every country. Second, it is not solely dependent on genetics, rather it is highly related to your upbringings, welfare level, cultural factors, ... So, you cannot claim that it is all due to the genetics. But, does the genetics matter in a person scientific achievements? of course it does, but its extent is not exactly known. An interesting comparison is between Ashkenazi jews and Sephardim jews. While Ashkenazi jews have had tons of scientific achievements, Sephardim jews have almost had no significant achievements, which shows that even there can be clear differences between branches of one ethnicity. Ashkenazis can trace back their roots to a group of 25 persons, if I remember correctly, which shows there can be some mutation which has made this group more intelligent than their other compatriots. It can be in favor of your claim.
In sum, it's complicated and a person can easily be labeled as a racist. So, I am not much into such discussions.

 

[rmi5]

Interesting. The other day I was checking the FIDE top 100 and I was somewhat surprised to see only 2 women in the top 100 that too towards the end. I was wondering if that was due to low rates of participation or something else. If we are to take what you said to be true then I guess it may be one of the factors. Not sure if it's true or false though.

Well, that's not my words, and it is what Psychologists say.
Anyway, when I was in high school, I did a research with a group of my classmates on low IQ people as our biology course research project, and I also saw that there are significantly more men than women in such special centers. I do not wanna do hasty generalization but at least my observations are not against it.

 

[Aepsilons]

First of all, it is not the same in every country. Second, it is not solely dependent on genetics, rather it is highly related to your upbringings, welfare level, cultural factors, ... So, you cannot claim that it is all due to the genetics. But, does the genetics matter in a person scientific achievements? of course it does, but its extent is not exactly known. An interesting comparison is between Ashkenazi jews and Sephardim jews. While Ashkenazi jews have had tons of scientific achievements, Sephardim jews have almost had no significant achievements, which shows that even there can be clear differences between branches of one ethnicity. Ashkenazis can trace back their roots to a group of 25 persons, if I remember correctly, which shows there can be some mutation which has made this group more intelligent than their other compatriots. It can be in favor of your claim.
In sum, it's complicated and a person can easily be labeled as a racist. So, I am not much into such discussions.

I agree to the 2 points you mentioned:

A) Environment definitely influences personality and behavior. For case example, African-Americans in the United States , statistically speaking, come from broken households as most African American families have single parent households (mother). There is also a large percentage of African Americans in lower socioeconomic stratum (one independent variable to this could be the broken family dynamic). Growing up in unstable environments that prioritizes ghetto or gang violence deviates children's growth, high exposure to violence and criminal activity in said neighborhoods effects behavioral learning. If one were to take the African American from the violent neighborhood, place them in a stable two parent family, a peaceful community devoid of gang related activity, and his or her outlook in life increases, as with academic performance.

B) As for Ashkenazim. I agree with you they are highly successful , but one can also argue that their communities focuses on communal help schemes. Its ingrained in their societies to support fellow Jews, especially Ashkenazim. This explains the genetic isolation effect they have. I wouldn't say that Ashkenazim are smarter than average folks, I would argue that their communities fosters a 'village dynamic' wherein resources are pooled in to help the community grow. Secondly, arguing about their genetic superiority is moot because due to their genetic isolation, this is the reason why there's a host of genetic disorders in Ashkenazim secondary to consanguinity. For example, some typical genetic diseases that are common in this community include Tay Sach's Disease, Gaucher's Disease, Niemann Pick Diseaes, Bloom Syndrome, Mucolipidosis, Fanconi's Anemia etc. I would argue that a positive and encouraging environment is definitely integral to success in average-performance individuals as per the Ashkenazim community.

 

[rmi5]

I agree to the 2 points you mentioned:

A) Environment definitely influences personality and behavior. For case example, African-Americans in the United States , statistically speaking, come from broken households as most African American families have single parent households (mother). There is also a large percentage of African Americans in lower socioeconomic stratum (one independent variable to this could be the broken family dynamic). Growing up in unstable environments that prioritizes ghetto or gang violence deviates children's growth, high exposure to violence and criminal activity in said neighborhoods effects behavioral learning. If one were to take the African American from the violent neighborhood, place them in a stable two parent family, a peaceful community devoid of gang related activity, and his or her outlook in life increases, as with academic performance.

B) As for Ashkenazim. I agree with you they are highly successful , but one can also argue that their communities focuses on communal help schemes. Its ingrained in their societies to support fellow Jews, especially Ashkenazim. This explains the genetic isolation effect they have. I wouldn't say that Ashkenazim are smarter than average folks, I would argue that their communities fosters a 'village dynamic' wherein resources are pooled in to help the community grow. Secondly, arguing about their genetic superiority is moot because due to their genetic isolation, this is the reason why there's a host of genetic disorders in Ashkenazim secondary to consanguinity. For example, some typical genetic diseases that are common in this community include Tay Sach's Disease, Gaucher's Disease, Niemann Pick Diseaes, Bloom Syndrome, Mucolipidosis, Fanconi's Anemia etc. I would argue that a positive and encouraging environment is definitely integral to success in average-performance individuals as per the Ashkenazim community.

About Part A, you very well said what I wanted to say.
About part B, Ashkenazis are said to have an IQ average of 117 which is higher than any nation at least by 10 points. Does the cultural factors, like supporting their community, matter? Of course it does, but also their extremely high IQ average cannot be neglected either. Ashkenazis have had an almost closed society, which has one advantage and one disadvantage. The advantage is that their good genes are preserved, but the drawback is that such genetical diseases have also been spread among themselves. from evolutionary point of view, we are attracted to the ones in our species that are not similar to us, in which the reason is having a more diverse genetic pool and avoid certain genetical diseases. So, integrating with other ethnic groups, as long as it helps your genetic pool, is not bad at all.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Strange but I see Africans vanishing after the aborigionals vanish

Every 5,000-7000 years we see a global population reset taking place ... and its all documented

If you study videos on Youtube that talk about Human Skulls you will see 1000+ variations of classified human races that no long exist if they were all equal , so why are they not with us now ?