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Question's over the condition of Muslims in Myanmar, have not been granted by the Dutch Parliament

I think @Penguin has proven his expertise on defence matters through numerous insightful contributions over a large period of time. His qualifications as a defence expert stand unquestioned.

No doubt about it, but it's not like he has a certificate, or a PhD in the matter. I think it's rude to dismiss someone elses opinion on parliamentary matters simply because the other person isn't Dutch.

There is also the irony of being Dutch on a Pakistani forum and trying to reject people from discussion on a matter involving the Netherlands. I'm sure he's passed fatwas in his time on Pakistani affairs, military or otherwise. Mind you that's a very colonial european attitude "I can have a say on your matters, you have no say in mine", the irony is probably lost on him.
 
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No doubt about it, but it's not like he has a certificate, or a PhD in the matter. I think it's rude to dismiss someone elses opinion on parliamentary matters simply because the other person isn't Dutch.

I know, it reflects desperation :D But instead of replying with rudeness, lets engage in discussion and make him state his view point more clearly.
 
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Says the dutchman waltzing around a Pakistani Internet forum as a self declared expert.
And where exactly am I commenting on Pakistani politics? I dare you to quote me

Point me, oh great one!
Though shalt do thy own research, oh Lazy One!

No doubt about it, but it's not like he has a certificate, or a PhD in the matter. I think it's rude to dismiss someone elses opinion on parliamentary matters simply because the other person isn't Dutch.

I actually DO have a PhD, on the subject matter of policy making and implementation.
I think it is rude to scald Dutch government (which wasn't even involved!) and people, based on the opinions of one mister Kuzu, who isn't exactly the brightest or most respected political light in our Dutch Parliament (which you would have known had you had any prior knowledge or done research in to Dutch political life, and clearly you haven't/didn't).

There is also the irony of being Dutch on a Pakistani forum and trying to reject people from discussion on a matter involving the Netherlands. I'm sure he's passed fatwas in his time on Pakistani affairs, military or otherwise. Mind you that's a very colonial european attitude "I can have a say on your matters, you have no say in mine", the irony is probably lost on him.
I think you should complain to management: how dare any non-Pakistani's be on this forum, let alone express themselves, esp. on subject matter concerning their own country. I CHALLENGE you to quote my alledged 'fatwas ... on Pakistani affairs, military or otherwise'. In my humble opinion it is not MY attitude but rather YOURS that is the problem here.

Well i don't know about dutch politics, but it would be very unusual in Britain for a question to be excluded - http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/raising/

In fact even the general public can have a matter debated in parliament if they get enough people to sign an e-petition.
Yeah, well, ... the UK doesn't have a constitution, we do.

I know, it reflects desperation :D But instead of replying with rudeness, lets engage in discussion and make him state his view point more clearly.
Oh, you come and be trouble here now? Just because you couldn't win someplace else?
Please continue to stalk and you will be reported to forum management.

Do your f-ing research before you open your mouths.

Dutch parliament asks for more political pressure on Myanmar
November 30, 2016
the Dutch parliament voted in favor of a resolution put forth by MP Tunahan Kuzu (DENK). In the resolution, the parliament recognizes that approximately 800.000 Rohingya in Myanmar are not recognized as civilians by the Myanmar government. The resolution asks from the Dutch government to increase its political pressure on Myanmar – via the European Union and the United Nations – to improve the situation of the Rohingya.
When the resolution was submitted on November 24th the Dutch Minister of Foreign Affairs Bert Koenders immediately underlined it’s importance. He stated that there is a “serious problem” in regards to the Rohingya in Myanmar, something he witnessed with his own eyes when he visited the country earlier this year.

The direct consequence of the resolution is that the members of parliament have now officially given the ministry of foreign affairs the task of increasing the political pressure on Myanmar via the European Union and the United Nations.
http://www.rohingyablogger.com/2016/11/dutch-parliament-asks-for-more.html

The Netherlands maintains diplomatic relations with Burma/Myanmar through the Dutch embassy in Bangkok, Thailand and the Burmese embassy in Brussels. Topics addressed include political reforms, human rights and economic developments in Burma/Myanmar.
Until recently economic ties between the Netherlands and Burma/Myanmar were limited, due above all to the poor human rights situation and EU sanctions.
The Netherlands does not have a regular development relationship with Burma/Myanmar. The Netherlands promotes human rights and corporate social responsibility and supports NGOs and ethnic groups through the Human Rights Fund. The Netherlands Fellowship Programme (NFP) was recently opened up to Burmese nationals, allowing them to apply for a grant so that they can take a course or study in the Netherlands. The Netherlands also promotes Burmese development through international organisations, including the EU’s aid budget. UN aid organisations also use Dutch contributions for their work in Burma/Myanmar.
https://www.government.nl/topics/international-relations/overview-countries-and-regions/burma
 
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There you go, passing comments on Pakistan. Pakistan Burma relations to be exact.
And why shouldn't/couldn't I?

You/Non-Dutch folks here can attack my parliament over not allowing a full debate over Myanmar and the Rohingya at mr Kuzu's request at this time and I can't point out Pakistan's role in supporting their military, which are the people who are actually conducting the persecution of the Rohingya in Myanmar? And I am the hypocrite then?

Incidentally, just yesterday, our government allocated one half million Euro's worth of emergency aid to the Rohingya-refugees from Myanmar that are in Bangladesh. As soon as the situation allows (Myanmar has blocked all UN aid to civilians in the Rakhine province), our minister of development cooperation has indicated, the Dutch will also see to what aid can be provided directly in Rakhine province of Myanmar itself. The aid that the Netherlands can already offer now (e.g. in Bangladesh) is is provided via the VN foodorganization World Food Programme (WFP).

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/minist...aken/nieuws/2017/09/08/noodhulp-voor-rohingya
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/29175283/__Geld_voor_Rohingya__.html
https://www.ad.nl/politiek/kabinet-geeft-geld-voor-rohingya-vluchtelingen-myanmar~a5893565/
stick that in google translate and choose Dutch to whatever language you like.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-aid-to-civilians-at-heart-of-rohingya-crisis
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/09/myanmar-restrictions-on-international-aid-putting-thousands-at-risk/

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in the Carribean, our government is also dealing with huge storm damage following hurrican Irma - most powerful Atlantic Ocean storm in recorded history - on the Dutch Antilles, which is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Some 250000 of our citizens live there. Five million euro in aid has been allocated, Dutch military are being sent in with food, to make water, to help and to restore law and order (there's been looting and the local authorities aren't coping).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...test-live-news-strongest-ever-atlantic-storm/
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nie...gen-in-voor-noodhulp-sint-maarten-fotogalerij
https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/nederland-geeft-getroffen-antillen-5-miljoen-noodhulp~a470226/

Hope you don't mind we're a bit busy with that. It might be yet another reason why mr Kuzu's request was denied ... by a parliamentary majority.
 
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Well i don't know about dutch politics, but it would be very unusual in Britain for a question to be excluded - http://www.parliament.uk/about/mps-and-lords/members/raising/

In fact even the general public can have a matter debated in parliament if they get enough people to sign an e-petition.
We have such a possibility, it is called advisory referendum (which the government does not HAVE to follow). See e.g. the one held on Ukraine treaty EU.
 
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And why shouldn't/couldn't I?

You/Non-Dutch folks here can attack my parliament over not allowing a full debate over Myanmar and the Rohingya at mr Kuzu's request at this time and I can't point out Pakistan's role in supporting their military, which are the people who are actually conducting the persecution of the Rohingya in Myanmar? And I am the hypocrite then?

Incidentally, just yesterday, our government allocated one half million Euro's worth of emergency aid to the Rohingya-refugees from Myanmar that are in Bangladesh. As soon as the situation allows (Myanmar has blocked all UN aid to civilians in the Rakhine province), our minister of development cooperation has indicated, the Dutch will also see to what aid can be provided directly in Rakhine province of Myanmar itself. The aid that the Netherlands can already offer now (e.g. in Bangladesh) is is provided via the VN foodorganization World Food Programme (WFP).

https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/minist...aken/nieuws/2017/09/08/noodhulp-voor-rohingya
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/29175283/__Geld_voor_Rohingya__.html
https://www.ad.nl/politiek/kabinet-geeft-geld-voor-rohingya-vluchtelingen-myanmar~a5893565/
stick that in google translate and choose Dutch to whatever language you like.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-aid-to-civilians-at-heart-of-rohingya-crisis
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2017/09/myanmar-restrictions-on-international-aid-putting-thousands-at-risk/

Meanwhile, on the other side of the world, in the Carribean, our government is also dealing with huge storm damage following hurrican Irma - most powerful Atlantic Ocean storm in recorded history - on the Dutch Antilles, which is part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands. Some 250000 of our citizens live there. Five million euro in aid has been allocated, Dutch military are being sent in with food, to make water, to help and to restore law and order (there's been looting and the local authorities aren't coping).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...test-live-news-strongest-ever-atlantic-storm/
https://www.defensie.nl/actueel/nie...gen-in-voor-noodhulp-sint-maarten-fotogalerij
https://www.volkskrant.nl/buitenland/nederland-geeft-getroffen-antillen-5-miljoen-noodhulp~a470226/

Hope you don't mind we're a bit busy with that. It might be yet another reason why mr Kuzu's request was denied ... by a parliamentary majority.

lol clearly humour doesn't translate over the Internet.
 
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There you go, passing comments on Pakistan. Pakistan Burma relations to be exact.
Incidentally, one should note, I did not comment at all on Pakistan's policy or Pakistan-Burma relations whatsoever.
I did comment on how people here respond to specific news items: rather selectively and not without bias.
Subtle, but rather essential difference.
 
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