Quaid’s monument to be demolished in Peshawar

[RazPaK]

Nai Yaar, but it saddens me deep inside, Pakistanis living abroad (irrespective of ethnicity) looses interest in Pakistan's affairs, it's couture and their own heritage with the passage of time.


We don't treat bad the Afghans (who're not even Pakistanis) which have taken up a big chunk of city's economy, property and whatnot and you jumped in saying we're treating Punjabis bad.

Why do you think we Pakhtoons are famous for our hospitality?

Lala, main aapki baat ney kar ra tha.

I was talking about Luffy saab, and internet crowd.

I know from my heart, I have never seen Pathan be disrespectful or rude.


In fact, yeh jo Afghani Punjab main attay hain, woh to itnay tameez walay hotay hain....

I mean, it makes me surprised when I read posts on the forum, of Afghans ya Pathan that disrespect Punjabis or anyone else.

Main ek Pakistani Punjabi hun, aur meray khayal main Pathan lokh toh Pakistan ki taakat hain.

I am not racist at all brother. I love all my Pakistanis, and I especially love Pashtuns.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

AstanoshKhan saab,

Har banday ki apni ek khaas baat ya kuudrat hoti hain. Main yeh to ney keh saaktha keh ji aap Marwati ho ya aap Yousafzai ho, isliay aap sub ek jaaisay hoin gay.

Main to har aadmi ki niyaat dektha hun. Jo achha hain, woh achaa hain. Pathan, Punjabi, ya joh bhi. Mujaay ney koi faraak par tha.

Asli baat yeh hain ke Imran Khan toh Punjab main zyada popular hain KPK se. Iska app kya bol sak thay hain pir?

Oho yaar Aap Baath Ko Kidhar Guma Ke Le Ja Rahay Ho... Imran Khan is a national hero, and ethnicity has got nothing to do with Heroism. BTW, IK's mother was a Pakhtoon from Waziristan while the father was not. Bhayi, dekha Ke Hum Pakhtoono Ke Punjabiyo Se Kitnay Door Door Ke Rawabit Hay...

Lala, main aapki baat ney kar ra tha.

I was talking about Luffy saab, and internet crowd.

I know from my heart, I have never seen Pathan be disrespectful or rude.


In fact, yeh jo Afghani Punjab main attay hain, woh to itnay tameez walay hotay hain....

I mean, it makes me surprised when I read posts on the forum, of Afghans ya Pathan that disrespect Punjabis or anyone else.

Main ek Pakistani Punjabi hun, aur meray khayal main Pathan lokh toh Pakistan ki taakat hain.

I am not racist at all brother. I love all my Pakistanis, and I especially love Pashtuns.

Mein Aap Ki Niyyat Pe Shak Nai Kar Raha Hu Bhai... we're get into this discussion for the sake of discussion. BTW, Pakhtoon/Pathans are not very polite people I myself too) it is the rigidness of the language/tongue that makes us expressively-rude... but we're Alhamdulillah crystal clear in our hearts and intentions.

Speaking of Imran Khan, got to go to attend the Youth Convention which started a while ago, will catch you later in the evening Inshallah. Take care

 

[RazPaK]

Oho yaar Aap Baath Ko Kidhar Guma Ke Le Ja Rahay Ho... Imran Khan is a national hero, and ethnicity has got nothing to do with Heroism. BTW, IK's mother was a Pakhtoon from Waziristan while the father was not. Bhayi, dekha Ke Hum Pakhtoono Ke Punjabiyo Se Kitnay Door Door Ke Rawabit Hay...



Mein Aap Ki Niyyat Pe Shak Nai Kar Raha Hu Bhai... we're get into this discussion for the sake of discussion. BTW, Pakhtoon/Pathans are not very polite people I myself too) it is the rigidness of the language/tongue that makes us expressively-rude... but we're Alhamdulillah crystal clear in our hearts and intentions.

Speaking of Imran Khan, got to go to attend the Youth Convention which started a while ago, will catch you later in the evening Inshallah. Take care

When IK comes to Texas, US, I will be meeting him and take pictures. I will post them here, If I can, and also donate money to his cause.

About being polite, I mean, I'm not sure.

My family gunman is a pathan and he is so awesome. I met Afghanis in Bahawalpur, and nobody is disrespectul. I mean all are very nice people.

Maybe in KPK, they are rude, but in Punjab, every Pathan I met was such an ustaad aadmi. Very fun, loving, joking, and always smiling.

Shayd manay dunya itni ney dekhi, magar muujay to pathan lokh boht achay lagthay. Aur jab maujood hotay hain, yaar bara maaza ata hain. Especially jab hum shikhar kehlne jaate tey.

 

[Armstrong]

There're far more Punjabis in Peshawar then the Pakhtoons in Lahore.

Aaap kiii soccchh hooo giiii - Lahore meinnn ittt putyeiii tooou Pathan nikal aataaa haiii !

Khan Sahib, there are enough Pashtuns here to conduct proper Jirgas !

 

[haviZsultan]

@RazPaK Its easy to judge us because of brainless people like Luffy. Who are you talking about? Idiots like Luffy? I would defend Punjabis because you are our fellow countrymen.
@Hyperion has a right to be pissed. How can you talk about throwing Pashtun population away when south Afghanistan is rightfully a property of Pakistan if we agree with lar aw bar yaw pashtun (smaller population always joins the bigger population). Who gave you a right to decide who stays and who goes? You decided because of a stupid comment from one person? Thats all that binds the races? One racist turns the whole bunch into bigots?

In my ethnic paper I will cover how to deal with bigots like Luffy without turning into a racist ourselves. Basically these people thrive on exacerbating ethnic tensions and if you fall for their trap you have lost already. This is what he wants. He wants to prove:
1) All Pashtuns are traitors and sympathize with Afghanistan, a myth... if you only choose to discount my dozen + posts as those of a wannabe Pashtun, @Hyperion & @Andromache who are 100% Pashtuns have torn apart.
2) Create a fight between the races for his own gains so that Pashtuns sympathize more with the Afghan cause. If you try to hit back at Pashtuns you have proven yourself to be a reactionary and someone very easily entrapped by people like Luffy.

Its very easy after being abused 24/7 for your race or country and just swear back at their race and heritage... but it takes a man to understand the culture and beat them at the bullshit they are spewing.

No one knows how much money Luffy is being paid under the table to sow discord... maybe admin khan is stuffing his mouth with cash knowing that the racism on that site simply doesn't appeal to Pakistani Pashtuns so they need a person who is more neutral and can work to divide Pakistanis slowly... but still hates Jinnah and thinks of himself as a Pashtun instead of a Pakistani. Bet even when admin khan's mouth opens just dollars come out like money from an expensive casino machine. These guys are Afghan-lovers man. I ask a friend what the hell this crap is and he started swearing at Afghanistan wishing them at the bottom of the Indian ocean. Pashtuns are not like Luffy.

He was the Yousufzai I interviewed in this article.

Razpak the thing is we aren't disengaged when it comes to race and look down at each other. This isn't one person or races problem but the problem of all races and this is exactly what I want to fight. I want to argue for the beauty of all our cultures.

Sometimes I see racism in you. You seem to look down at Pashtun culture... maybe its just a feeling.

I am not joking when I say I am a Pashtun... I must be hell-bent to become one if I am making the statement. The thing I want to say is we have been trying to turn each other into enemies for years, its time to stop it and think about the country. These ethnic identities are supposed to disappear in the background... become inconsequential largely though this doesn't mean a surrender of language of culture as our always-threatened-friend Luffy feels. No one is telling him to adopt what he calls "Ganga-Jamna culture" anyway.

These are the types of comments that caused the loss of Bangladesh. And we should apologize to them because they were once Pakistanis... but most of all we must apologize to Pakistan, to Jinnah for throwing away half our land. Mujib ur rehman is being covered as a case study in my paper and how the government turned a horrible situation worse.

Its inconsequential where which ethnic group goes or which we belong to... Pashtuns will go where they want because its their country. This Pashtuns shouldn't come to our city is a line used by MQM chauvinists. Lets not adopt it, lets not adopt the bad things about the MQM. Please.

 

[RescueRanger]

I don't understand how this thread has become an Anti Pathan/Pakhtun thread. This is about the bastards from the KPK government ( and i have worked with them, i know they are bastards) attempting to stoke the fires of hatred and mistrust, and judging by the content of this thread, those arse holes might succeed.

Itney ufsos key bat hain, and just by the by. Anyone who loves their country, should love the people who gave them their identity. Our identity is Pakistan, when you go abroad and fill in a landing card, where it says origin, no box reads: Punjab, Balochi, Pathan, Sindhi... It simply states: PAKISTANI.

Lets be proud of our IDENTITY, no matter what our ethnic origin.

At no point did i read,

 

[Kambojaric]

Aaap kiii soccchh hooo giiii - Lahore meinnn ittt putyeiii tooou Pathan nikal aataaa haiii !

Khan Sahib, there are enough Pashtuns here to conduct proper Jirgas !

Does Orega market still exist? That place was virtually entirely owned by Pashtuns.

About being polite, I mean, I'm not sure.

My family gunman is a pathan and he is so awesome. I met Afghanis in Bahawalpur, and nobody is disrespectul. I mean all are very nice people.

Maybe in KPK, they are rude, but in Punjab, every Pathan I met was such an ustaad aadmi. Very fun, loving, joking, and always smiling.

Shayd manay dunya itni ney dekhi, magar muujay to pathan lokh boht achay lagthay. Aur jab maujood hotay hain, yaar bara maaza ata hain. Especially jab hum shikhar kehlne jaate tey.

Have similar experiances here. Our neighbours back in Lahore have guards who were rotated on a monthly basis, and many of them were Pathan. Really cool guys. Would do favours for all the neighbours even though that wasnt part of their job
Also I dont know if it was in this thread or some other thread where I was reading comments like Punjabis dont like Pashtuns, issues exist between the two etc. etc. All I can say based on my childhood experiances in Lahore is that, that is bull'****. Never did I see any kind of ethnic discrimination. Sure we joked, had urdu speaking friends who we would call bhaye and they would respond with even worse replies that I should not write here P), but thats where it ended.

 

[haviZsultan]

Also, @AstanoshKhan. Imran Khan is indeed a Pashtun. He is 100% Pashtun from his fathers side too and you said it yourself in a post. Don't feed the wolves and don't fall into their lair (ie @Sher Malang gang-these guys know history which gives them the ability to analyze it and label it with their own brush).

Luffy's claim that Imran Khan is non-pashtun has no basis. He just wants to discredit anyone who isn't associated with Bacha Khan which I have regularly stated is rape of history. This is what I am worried about... most Pashtuns not being aware of their history and learning it from people like him who are more knowledgeable but purposely paint things with a different brush.

Have you read Imran Khan's latest book (Not warrior race) called A personal History? In it he clearly states he is a Pashtun. Also Imran Khan's father was a Niazi and Imran Khan's full name is also Niazi. This is what the web has to say of the Niazi's. Also statistics also throw Luffy's theory of intermixing with Punjabis into the bin. Niazi's mostly marry within Pashtuns as Imran Khan's father did and also 40%+ of Mianwali district population consists of Niazi's.

Jatts actually live in other areas and their populations overlap with Niazi's at certain places. But in Mianwali city 70-90%+ of the population is Niazi. The only thing Luffy can rightfully claim is that Niazi's are indeed losing their language, Pashto which is a result of the region coming into Punjab. But thats all he has. For that Niazi's should work together.

Bigots from ANP have thrown people away just because their language isn't Pashto when these people could have worked with us on promoting our Pashtun interests like safeguarding of culture and language. This is specially the case with the hindkowans and chitralis. Thus they adopted a separate identity. There are several who once openly called themselves Pashtuns. Even Kohistanis refuse to call themselves Pashtuns but Kohistanis... if Luffy doesn't believe he can ask one.

We should learn more about our culture so we don't fall victim to chauvinists who wish to warp it or tell us selective history. No need to please @RazPaK. So what he is Pashtun? He is a good person and so we vote for him. No one gives a crap about his background.

Also Luffy said anyone who loses Pashto is not a Pashtun anymore? That is the silliest thing I have heard. He doesn't even realize it but he is working against Pashtuns by throwing away at least 20% of Pashtun population. The current census is linguistic. Its not ethnic. Meaning other than the 30 million there may be another 10 million who do not even speak Pashto but for people like these every Pashtun who happened to be patriotic cannot be a Pashtun... hence they have to find strategies to discredit them.

Same he is doing with me by making half-posts. These people have to put Pashtun cause and Pakistani cause in too opposite directions when both have same interests and are 100% one. I feel pity for them. Basically their problem is they want me to follow their ideology and suck an Afghans (nation) _____ ... I won't do that. My country means everything to me. I don't care about anyone outside it even if they are from my adopted ethnic group.

 

[RescueRanger]

Where are the protesters, where is the ever watchful media(the self appointed guardians of truth and justice), where are the bands of hot bloodied young men? Considering our populace can riot over everthing for a 10 rupee increase in CNG, to what some quack thinks 3000 miles away?

Heartbreaking to think, that in Pakistan the provincial government is contemplating a proposal to demolish a monument to a national hero, whereas in cities alien to us and our struggle for a homeland recognize and celebrate him and his legacy.

London

Toronto

 

[Porus]

Toronto

The first two sentences don't make any sense at all, they are actually as confused as the state itself. He strived to achieve independence for HIS people in the Sub-Continetnt, and led the PEOPLE of the Sub-Continent to achieve a separate homeland. Those who are totally unaware of the history of south Asia can definitely not unravel the mystery hidden in these sentences. BTW, that Qaraqul doesn't go well with the suit. The man had a good taste, he quaffed the best whisky and wore tailored Savile Row suits - therefore it is really hard to imagine that this man would ever decorate his head with Qaraqul and wear a bespoke three piece at the same time.

 

[RescueRanger]

therefore it is really hard to imagine that this man would ever decorate his head with Qaraqul and wear a bespoke three piece at the same time.

That bust is based on a very famous picture of the Quaid, i think it looks very unique and sums up the Quaid perfectly;

 

[Awesome]

@haviZsultan If you are posting such extraordinarily long posts just to warn members here about me that i am a "racist", "bigot", "afghan a$$ Kisser", "antipakistani" etc etc then you should know that you are wasting your time as i am already labelled as such on this forum when you were absent from this forum. I have not joined this forum for point scoring, i am here to provide pashtuns point of view on different social, political and historical topics that are discussed here. And i am also here to clear any misconception about pashtuns. I am not here to preach separatism, i have never even advocated it on any pashtun/afghan forum, you have not read my about 3900 posts on pashtunforums and 3700 posts on afghanforums... If members here dont like my views then i dont care. I would continue to defend my pashtun nation here, i am not shy and apologetic like other pakistani pashtuns here. The pakistani pashtuns here are in dozens but none of them raise their voices against racist and hateful comments against pashtuns and afghans, after all they have discarded their sense of being pashtun to become better pakistanis. They are appreciated by rest of pakistan for their criminel silence or for their anti-afghan stance. Some of them e.g hyperion do useless chest-thumping as a pashtun, and tries to impress pakistanis that he is a wazir who has used AK47....typical teen behaviour, raging harmones....i have never seen him contributing some thing useful as a pashtun...naswar thread...though he is the only one that you would feel that he is pashtun.
Abo zulfiqar and taimi khan belong to pak army families, their priorities and talks are limited to army.
Astonish khan's world is limited to PTI.
Only member "pakhtoon" is your typical pashtun...but he is a jolly and careless fellow.
Sher malang, one of my favourite member, is representative and voice of Afghans here while i am voice of lar Pashtuns here, whether you admit or not.

Nobody should think so much of himself that they are the voice of an entire people... Its a sorry day when these so called TRUE PASHTUNS would own FazlurRehman, Fazlullah but disown Imran Khan as a Pashtun.

First of all I would like to point out to you all hanging on to relics of the past that in todays Pakistan more and more people are MashAllah marrying across cultures and you guys who think TRUENESS in genealogy is like a trophy would be weened out by the natural course of time. Phir bass kitaabon main likha jayega "Oh man how backward and ridiculous these oldies were".

So try to get on with the program. This is the biggest cop-out, "Oh ji hum toh hain hi aise, humara culture sadiyon se aisa hai". If there is any merit to your argument then present that, don't present the color of your chamri as an argument.

 

[Spring Onion]

Nobody should think so much of himself that they are the voice of an entire people... Its a sorry day when these so called TRUE PASHTUNS would own FazlurRehman, Fazlullah but disown Imran Khan as a Pashtun.

First of all I would like to point out to you all hanging on to relics of the past that in todays Pakistan more and more people are MashAllah marrying across cultures and you guys who think TRUENESS in genealogy is like a trophy would be weened out by the natural course of time. Phir bass kitaabon main likha jayega "Oh man how backward and ridiculous these oldies were".

So try to get on with the program. This is the biggest cop-out, "Oh ji hum toh hain hi aise, humara culture sadiyon se aisa hai". If there is any merit to your argument then present that, don't present the color of your chamri as an argument.

what are you saying mara.

anyway Asim one thing is thousands of percent sure that WE ARE PAKISTANIS. We may share ethnicity across the border but we are NOT Afghanistanis neither Hindustani.

at the end of the day if there is any conflict between the two we will fk the bloodline and stand for our HOMELAND.

 

[Awesome]

what are you saying mara.

anyway Asim one thing is thousands of percent sure that WE ARE PAKISTANIS. We may share ethnicity across the border but we are NOT Afghanistanis neither Hindustani.

at the end of the day if there is any conflict between the two we will fk the bloodline and stand for our HOMELAND.

Obviously. I've seen Americans who have settled in Pak for the past 30 years who took up Pak nationality and would do the same for Pak.

If we get tied to just one sort of people then we are limiting ourselves. Why stop at ethnicity, I'm sure one town or village is different from the other. One street is different from the other, one household.

Where will you stop?

 

[Spring Onion]

Obviously. I've seen Americans who have settled in Pak for the past 30 years who took up Pak nationality and would do the same for Pak.

If we get tied to just one sort of people then we are limiting ourselves. Why stop at ethnicity, I'm sure one town or village is different from the other. One street is different from the other, one household.

Where will you stop?

You dint understand what i said so nevermind.

Obviously. I've seen Americans who have settled in Pak for the past 30 years who took up Pak nationality and would do the same for Pak.

If we get tied to just one sort of people then we are limiting ourselves. Why stop at ethnicity, I'm sure one town or village is different from the other. One street is different from the other, one household.

Where will you stop?

You dint understand what i said so nevermind.