Quaid e Azam did NOT have a British Passport

[A.Rafay]

Altaf is a clown, he burnt the national flag on mazar e qaid too if people have short memories here.

What is that true! He surely is not a Pakistani Now, He shouldn't be allowed to lead a party in Pakistan its unconstitutional for a person who says Pakistan was Blunder on foreign soil, Offends feelings of pakistanis and talk trash about the Leader of Nation.

 

[Mav3rick]

Bad choice of words, but try to understand the sentiments behind this outburst. It is not anti-Urdu speaking (people), it is anti-Muhajir (identity popularized by MQM). Many Pakistanis do understand the narrative popularized by MQM within their support areas. Most of us do not agree with that narrative - in fact it is offensive in many ways. @haviZsultan has an excellent thread on it, if you wish to read it. You might then understand this negative outburst.

The Mohajir identity was not coined by the urdu speaking Mohajirs, neither were the problems that rooted out of their loyalty and support for Fatima Jinnah (instead of Field Marshal Ayub Khan). I have posted many informative things from the sacrifices the migrants made to the freedom struggles where most of the residents of Punjab & Sindh had no participation and Khan of Kalat (ANP) etc. openly voted against Pakistan. Your outburst, whether you understand it or not, is actually against urdu speaking migrants, whom I consider more of a claimant then those who never lifted a finger for this freedom!!!

When SC's interpretation prohibits dual-nationality holders from contesting elections in Pakistan (a position virtually 100% supported areas outside of MQM influence), then one can only guess how would AH's leadership of a political party would be viewed. It is not an issue really. The fact that AH & MQM is trying to make it an issue shows you what is their mentality. It is not an issue with anything to do with constitution. If MQM feels that this has anything to do with constitution, then they may ask SC for a judgement. But of course this is never going to happen. I hope EC asks SC someday. We might be rid of AH. MQM without AH would have a positive role to play in my view. AH is wrecking MQM.

Supreme Courts interpretation is open to all those why have reasoning skills. They have ordered Election Commission of Pakistan to go after Assembly members (National & Provincial), Senate members etc., in essence the SC has ordered the ECP to go after all dual citizens, and those dual citizens & the elected PPP, pissing on your constitution has posted them as special advisers to the same positions. Point to note here is that SC never said a word about a dual citizen leading a political party as the constitution does not prohibit it.

And I agree with your views that AH is wrecking havoc with MQM, I don't know what has happened to him in the past 10-15 years.

well MQM is just a cunt .

They say the same about you.

 

[Mav3rick]

He has already stated Pakistan shouldn't exist so I don't really have a clue what else he actually has to say.

Well aren't some of you outright bloody liars??? I would have been the first voice against MQM & AH had AH said anything about the existence of Pakistan!

Altaf is a terrorist but the only way to deal with him are people from his own community. A massive rejection of Altaf by us Karachites can result in his destruction. By the way this sparked a larger amount of debate than his speech on partition which more openly and clearly called partition a mistake and made the sacrifices of each migrant who moved from ancestral lands with only the word Pakistan on their lips look like a joke.

And literally anyone who still does not consider the partition to be a cruel joke on Pakistan after the 1971 debacle is a real fool. All those who still consider the partition to be correct after losing half the country are, well they are beyond any case worth spending time upon.

Sigh, only in Pakistan can a man who burns the nations flag at the tomb of its founding father be considered an important national politician
The guy is a joke, and is doing a big disservice to MQM and the urdu speaking community.

And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

Sigh, only in Pakistan can a man who burns the nations flag at the tomb of its founding father be considered an important national politician
The guy is a joke, and is doing a big disservice to MQM and the urdu speaking community.

And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

Sigh, only in Pakistan can a man who burns the nations flag at the tomb of its founding father be considered an important national politician
The guy is a joke, and is doing a big disservice to MQM and the urdu speaking community.

And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

Sigh, only in Pakistan can a man who burns the nations flag at the tomb of its founding father be considered an important national politician
The guy is a joke, and is doing a big disservice to MQM and the urdu speaking community.

And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

Sigh, only in Pakistan can a man who burns the nations flag at the tomb of its founding father be considered an important national politician
The guy is a joke, and is doing a big disservice to MQM and the urdu speaking community.

And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

 

[somebozo]

Well aren't some of you outright bloody liars??? I would have been the first voice against MQM & AH had AH said anything about the existence of Pakistan!





And literally anyone who still does not consider the partition to be a cruel joke on Pakistan after the 1971 debacle is a real fool. All those who still consider the partition to be correct after losing half the country are, well they are beyond any case worth spending time upon.



And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.



And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.



And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.



And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.



And only in Pakistan can people still believe those lies, despite lack of a single shred of evidence because their bigoted minds cannot accept reality.

Lets me put it this way...you are one of those Karahchite Bhagoras from 1990's anti-MQM operation now struggling in Austrlia and taking to keyboard for your frustration venting!

 

[Chak Bamu]

The Mohajir identity was not coined by the urdu speaking Mohajirs, neither were the problems that rooted out of their loyalty and support for Fatima Jinnah (instead of Field Marshal Ayub Khan). I have posted many informative things from the sacrifices the migrants made to the freedom struggles where most of the residents of Punjab & Sindh had no participation and Khan of Kalat (ANP) etc. openly voted against Pakistan. Your outburst, whether you understand it or not, is actually against urdu speaking migrants, whom I consider more of a claimant then those who never lifted a finger for this freedom!!!

If this identity (as you call it) was not coined by Urdu speaking Mohajirs, then why are you hell-bent on using it? You know how offensive this is to others who came here, having fought, walked, bled, sickened on the way.

I would like to know if any of your ancestors had to fight off Sikhs? Mine did and kicked some serious a**.

I would like to know how and when your ancestors got to Pakistan. Mine had to move to camps where wells were poisoned. They had to walk with Sikhs stalking all around and bloody Dogra soldiers doing nothing. All the people in the caravan attempted mass suicide but were discovered by an English officer who sent Baloch Regiment jawans to escort them. My father, my grandfather, my uncles walked on foot to Toba Tek Singh from Jallandhar. Yes the same Toba, which voted over-whelmingly for Fatima Jinnah. This is my story. What is yours?

My Grand father left his home to mobilize support for Muslim League so that our extended Biradari would vote en-masse for Muslim League and Pakistan - yes he was a worker in Pakistan Movement. What did yours do?

One of my elderly relatives has a CERTIFICATE hanging in his bedroom acknowledging his contribution to the Pakistan movement, given by GOP. Let us hear from you if you have anything like this in your family. Anything?

How dare you belittle the sacrifice and achievement of others? See this is EXACTLY the type of arrogance for which MQM's so-called Mohajirs are known all around the country. You think you are the only ones who sacrificed? You think you are the only ones worthy of this country? You think that you are so high up the ladder of morality that all should bow to your greatness? THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I HATE ALTAF HUSSAIN. He has taken seedlings of misconception and nurtured them into jungles of prejudice. If Sindhis had not been part of our struggle, why in Allah's name would they be in Pakistan and be right there to welcome the refugees, whose descendants now look down upon them?

Why is there this talk of carving up Sindh with its precious resources taken over by the people, some of whom look down upon Sindhis? The same Sindhis who welcomed your ancestors in the name of Islam. Is there justice in this Pakistan of ours? Dare anyone remind you that Karachi belongs to the whole of Pakistan courtesy of Sindhis to begin with? You think your ancestors gave up more. Ask Sindhis what they got from Pakistan...

Supreme Courts interpretation is open to all those why have reasoning skills. They have ordered Election Commission of Pakistan to go after Assembly members (National & Provincial), Senate members etc., in essence the SC has ordered the ECP to go after all dual citizens, and those dual citizens & the elected PPP, pissing on your constitution has posted them as special advisers to the same positions. Point to note here is that SC never said a word about a dual citizen leading a political party as the constitution does not prohibit it.

Reasoning skills go only so far with pre-conceived opinions obstructing the way. It is just convenient to argue against common-sense that AH has any right to tell legislators how to vote and what to legislate. Did you see all the senior MQM leaders with pencils and pads, because this clown and fool was giving them a lecture of treachery? What do you suppose was going on in their minds as they were hearing his .... well I like to compare his utterings to the desperate baying of a wayward Buffalo calf looking for its mother. Really, no joke - That is how he sounds. Honest.

The MQM legislators have to be citizens of Pakistan and Pakistan only. Yet the big Don who tells them how to vote and what to legislate is sitting in England with a British passport and an oath to obey & honor the queen and to accept the superiority of Church of England in spiritual matters. This same Don gets to dictate what goes on in the commercial capital of Pakistan. And people like you somehow feel compelled to obey him and to defend his nonsense.

And I agree with your views that AH is wrecking havoc with MQM, I don't know what has happened to him in the past 10-15 years.

He did not change. He just showed his true colors. He is a coward, just as he always was. He is a manipulator, just as he always was. He is just as much a liar as he always has been. Nothing different, just clearer.

 

[Chak Bamu]

And literally anyone who still does not consider the partition to be a cruel joke on Pakistan after the 1971 debacle is a real fool. All those who still consider the partition to be correct after losing half the country are, well they are beyond any case worth spending time upon.

You consider partition to be a joke, good for you. Keep this poison to yourself and your community. 1971 debacle was not a simple affair. And let me remind you that the beginnings of it had something to do with demeanor and dealings of ICS officers from West Pakistan. Most of these ICS officers were from Urdu-speaking regions of UP/CP and they felt so superior to their fellow Pakistanis that our Bengali brothers found no difference between them and the departed British. Bengalis hated them and called them Punjabis. To Bengalis, all those who came from West Pakistan were 'Punjabis'.

Ghulam Muhammad, the despicable Governor General of Pakistan was just such an ICS officer who played havoc with governments while he ruled Pakistan from Karachi. Guess his background?

Iskandar Mirza, the breaker of Pakistan's 1956 constitution (made with untiring efforts of Chaudhry Muhammad Ali - a distant relative of mine) was an ethnic Bengali with Urdu-speaking background. He paved the way for Ayub Khan's Martial Law.

So you see the so-called Muhajir community has its fair share in our collective misfortunes. I am not denying the sacrifice and contribution of our Urdu-speaking brothers. I am just pointing out inconvenient facts for the benefit of those who need to take a look in the mirror so that they can see how they look to others.

Do not go all high and holy and pontiff-like. 1971 happened because people in West Pakistan were not equal to the vision of Pakistan. Had they considered Bengalis brothers in Islam and brothers in nation, we would not have seen what we saw leading up to 1971. Bengalis did not have significantly more problems with Ayub Khan than us in West Pakistan. It was discrimination they felt. One can feel this same bloody discrimination when one hears Altaf moan and groan about how HIS people have been wronged. Only so-called Mohajirs feel self-righteous about his bayings. Do they pause to think how it all sounds to the rest of us Pakistanis? What gives them the right to look down upon Pashtuns, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. What gives them the right to look down upon Punjabis, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. What gives them the right to look down upon Sindhis, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. And they live in Sindh for crying out loud. Oh the hypocrisy...

 

[474474]

If this identity (as you call it) was not coined by Urdu speaking Mohajirs, then why are you hell-bent on using it? You know how offensive this is to others who came here, having fought, walked, bled, sickened on the way.

I would like to know if any of your ancestors had to fight off Sikhs? Mine did and kicked some serious a**.

I would like to know how and when your ancestors got to Pakistan. Mine had to move to camps where wells were poisoned. They had to walk with Sikhs stalking all around and bloody Dogra soldiers doing nothing. All the people in the caravan attempted mass suicide but were discovered by an English officer who sent Baloch Regiment jawans to escort them. My father, my grandfather, my uncles walked on foot to Toba Tek Singh from Jallandhar. Yes the same Toba, which voted over-whelmingly for Fatima Jinnah. This is my story. What is yours?

My Grand father left his home to mobilize support for Muslim League so that our extended Biradari would vote en-masse for Muslim League and Pakistan - yes he was a worker in Pakistan Movement. What did yours do?

One of my elderly relatives has a CERTIFICATE hanging in his bedroom acknowledging his contribution to the Pakistan movement, given by GOP. Let us hear from you if you have anything like this in your family. Anything?

How dare you belittle the sacrifice and achievement of others? See this is EXACTLY the type of arrogance for which MQM's so-called Mohajirs are known all around the country. You think you are the only ones who sacrificed? You think you are the only ones worthy of this country? You think that you are so high up the ladder of morality that all should bow to your greatness? THIS IS EXACTLY WHY I HATE ALTAF HUSSAIN. He has taken seedlings of misconception and nurtured them into jungles of prejudice. If Sindhis had not been part of our struggle, why in Allah's name would they be in Pakistan and be right there to welcome the refugees, whose descendants now look down upon them?

Why is there this talk of carving up Sindh with its precious resources taken over by the people, some of whom look down upon Sindhis? The same Sindhis who welcomed your ancestors in the name of Islam. Is there justice in this Pakistan of ours? Dare anyone remind you that Karachi belongs to the whole of Pakistan courtesy of Sindhis to begin with? You think your ancestors gave up more. Ask Sindhis what they got from Pakistan...





Reasoning skills go only so far with pre-conceived opinions obstructing the way. It is just convenient to argue against common-sense that AH has any right to tell legislators how to vote and what to legislate. Did you see all the senior MQM leaders with pencils and pads, because this clown and fool was giving them a lecture of treachery? What do you suppose was going on in their minds as they were hearing his .... well I like to compare his utterings to the desperate baying of a wayward Buffalo calf looking for its mother. Really, no joke - That is how he sounds. Honest.

The MQM legislators have to be citizens of Pakistan and Pakistan only. Yet the big Don who tells them how to vote and what to legislate is sitting in England with a British passport and an oath to obey & honor the queen and to accept the superiority of Church of England in spiritual matters. This same Don gets to dictate what goes on in the commercial capital of Pakistan. And people like you somehow feel compelled to obey him and to defend his nonsense.



He did not change. He just showed his true colors. He is a coward, just as he always was. He is a manipulator, just as he always was. He is just as much a liar as he always has been. Nothing different, just clearer.

This is a joke, everyone struggled before the partition, EVEryone, not only you because of Sikhs, but the main thing was it was all easy afterwards, while we were the ones who had to face ethnic cleansing by the punjabis and are still denied basic rights by Sindhis
But it won't be so easy now, racists like you can do whatever you want to kill us, but you will never break us, we will fight forever Like buffalo soldiers, we are one with Pakistan and Pakistan is with us, we are here to stay, not only Karachi all of Pakistan is our home no xenophobic sub human like you could do anything to kick us out, we live and die here, but no matter what we never leave

 

[Chak Bamu]

I never said that only my ancestors sacrificed. I just called his bluff when he trashed people of other ethnicities. I would rather hear what he has to say about this.

I would like to hear how you can support your contention that Punjabis engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. I would also like to know how Sindhis usurped your rights (yes I know about the quota thing).

I am not a racist. People who think that they are better than others and look down upon others are racists. I have no such problems. I just called somebody's bluff. You have a problem with that? Why do you not have a problem with someone telling that Punjabis did not make sacrifices? Why do you not have a problem with someone who is perpetuating the stereotype of so-called Muhajirs? Why? Why can I not defend people of my ethnic origin when some one dumps his prejudice upon us?

Buffalo soldier my a##.

The only place in whole of Pakistan I was made conscious of being a Punjabi was in Karachi. My only mistake was being part of Punjab's team in National games. You have the guts to call me xenophobic? What are you yourself?

 

[SQ8]

You consider partition to be a joke, good for you. Keep this poison to yourself and your community. 1971 debacle was not a simple affair. And let me remind you that the beginnings of it had something to do with demeanor and dealings of ICS officers from West Pakistan. Most of these ICS officers were from Urdu-speaking regions of UP/CP and they felt so superior to their fellow Pakistanis that our Bengali brothers found no difference between them and the departed British. Bengalis hated them and called them Punjabis. To Bengalis, all those who came from West Pakistan were 'Punjabis'.

Ghulam Muhammad, the despicable Governor General of Pakistan was just such an ICS officer who played havoc with governments while he ruled Pakistan from Karachi. Guess his background?

Iskandar Mirza, the breaker of Pakistan's 1956 constitution (made with untiring efforts of Chaudhry Muhammad Ali - a distant relative of mine) was an ethnic Bengali with Urdu-speaking background. He paved the way for Ayub Khan's Martial Law.

So you see the so-called Muhajir community has its fair share in our collective misfortunes. I am not denying the sacrifice and contribution of our Urdu-speaking brothers. I am just pointing out inconvenient facts for the benefit of those who need to take a look in the mirror so that they can see how they look to others.

Do not go all high and holy and pontiff-like. 1971 happened because people in West Pakistan were not equal to the vision of Pakistan. Had they considered Bengalis brothers in Islam and brothers in nation, we would not have seen what we saw leading up to 1971. Bengalis did not have significantly more problems with Ayub Khan than us in West Pakistan. It was discrimination they felt. One can feel this same bloody discrimination when one hears Altaf moan and groan about how HIS people have been wronged. Only so-called Mohajirs feel self-righteous about his bayings. Do they pause to think how it all sounds to the rest of us Pakistanis? What gives them the right to look down upon Pashtuns, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. What gives them the right to look down upon Punjabis, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. What gives them the right to look down upon Sindhis, just as they had looked down upon Bengalis. And they live in Sindh for crying out loud. Oh the hypocrisy...

At the same time, it gives no one else the right to target any community.

The problem is, that these racial and ethnic divisions were forced upon and accepted by the people of this community.
There were massive atrocities carried out by "Mohajirs" on Punjabis, Punjabis on Bengalis.. Pathans on "Mohajirs".. etc etc etc.
In a criss cross fashion.. These nations have proven time and time again that they are not fit to be considered as a single nation.
Rather multiple ideals and selfish wishes that want to control a state.

Which is why.. Pakistanis are an extinct species.. Just Sindhis,Punjabis,Balochis,Pathans,Seriakis.. ...etc.
And now.. further into Deobandis, Bareilvis, etc etc.

And your post has just typified this mentality... Every community thinks itself as the sole flag bearer of Pakistan or has decided it wants nothing to do with.
Well.. good luck with that..may even get such a scenario where you all can have a piece of land to yourself.

 

[Armstrong]

@Chak Bamu : Pahaiiin zaraaa haaathh holaa rakhoooo kiii kakeiii nuuu maaarnaa ehhh ?

 

[SQ8]

I never said that only my ancestors sacrificed. I just called his bluff when he trashed people of other ethnicities. I would rather hear what he has to say about this.

I would like to hear how you can support your contention that Punjabis engaged in a campaign of ethnic cleansing. I would also like to know how Sindhis usurped your rights (yes I know about the quota thing).

I am not a racist. People who think that they are better than others and look down upon others are racists. I have no such problems. I just called somebody's bluff. You have a problem with that? Why do you not have a problem with someone telling that Punjabis did not make sacrifices? Why do you not have a problem with someone who is perpetuating the stereotype of so-called Muhajirs? Why? Why can I not defend people of my ethnic origin when some one dumps his prejudice upon us?

Buffalo soldier my a##.

The only place in whole of Pakistan I was made conscious of being a Punjabi was in Karachi. My only mistake was being part of Punjab's team in National games. You have the guts to call me xenophobic? What are you yourself?

Interestingly.. I was made "conscious" of my being an urdu-speaker first in Karachi by Sindhi Nationalists, then Pathan Nationalists.. and then finally MQM's own...I was discriminated against using this when I was in KP or Punjab.
So it really has nothing to do with where you are, just who you are exposed to.

And the growing fault lines will only make it worse.

 

[Armstrong]

At the same time, it gives no one else the right to target any community.

The problem is, that these racial and ethnic divisions were forced upon and accepted by the people of this community.
There were massive atrocities carried out by "Mohajirs" on Punjabis, Punjabis on Bengalis.. Pathans on "Mohajirs".. etc etc etc.
In a criss cross fashion.. These nations have proven time and time again that they are not fit to be considered as a single nation.
Rather multiple ideals and selfish wishes that want to control a state.

Which is why.. Pakistanis are an extinct species.. Just Sindhis,Punjabis,Balochis,Pathans,Seriakis.. ...etc.
And now.. further into Deobandis, Bareilvis, etc etc.

And your post has just typified this mentality... Every community thinks itself as the sole flag bearer of Pakistan or has decided it wants nothing to do with.
Well.. good luck with that..may even get such a scenario where you all can have a piece of land to yourself.

No not really; there is a reason why you don't see any of this BS in Punjab !

 

[haviZsultan]

Now let me talk about why Altaf has no right to compare himself to Quaid E Azam:

1) He has talked about breaking Pakistan and called partition a mistake. Quiad E Azam made Pakistan.
2) He does not talk about Pakistan, talks about a single part of Pakistan-Quiad spoke about unity.
3) Spreads hate against all ethnic groups-Quaid wanted to unite all of us.
4) Quaid condemned provincialism (equal to ethnic based politics) Altaf survives only on it.
5) Altaf murders people, Quiad won through the law, fair and square.
6) Altaf lives in london and leads his party, Quaid returned because he sincerely believed in Pakistan
7) Quaid spent his life working hard, Altaf grew up murdering innocents.
8) Altaf asked India for help for his oppressed "muhajirs" Quaid didn't ask for help anywhere.
8) Quaid did not have a British passport unlike Altaf.

So any comparison to Quaid is foolish.

 

[SQ8]

No not really; there is a reason why you don't see any of this BS in Punjab !

Umm, actually you do ... or perhaps it just searches me out.
I remember vividly how many times in Lahore I was called an "Indian" when during casual conversation I spoke about my family ancestry(which ironically ends up in Afghanistan and beyond).
And these are not casual jibes.. these are differentiating examples of trying to discriminate the so-called "non-sons of soil".

Where you may not see it is within cities as frequently such as Rawalpindi or Islamabad... it happens more within areas and from people who are politically aligned.
For eg.. Rawalpindi has a large population of migrants from Dehli and surrounding areas..
Hence, people generally have mingled and accepted well into the fabric there.

Lahore's more cosmopolitan areas have also accepted migrants from these cities... but when you go into the more politically aligned class.. the discrimination appears.
Its the same in Urdu-Speaking communities where other ethnicites have settled..
The more politically aligned people.. the more the discriminating attitude.
It does exist,

Now let me talk about why Altaf has no right to compare himself to Quaid E Azam:

1) He has talked about breaking Pakistan and called partition a mistake. Quiad E Azam made Pakistan.
2) He does not talk about Pakistan, talks about a single part of Pakistan-Quiad spoke about unity.
3) Spreads hate against all ethnic groups-Quaid wanted to unite all of us.
4) Quaid condemned provincialism (equal to ethnic based politics) Altaf survives only on it.
5) Altaf murders people, Quiad won through the law, fair and square.
6) Altaf lives in london and leads his party, Quaid returned because he sincerely believed in Pakistan
7) Quaid spent his life working hard, Altaf grew up murdering innocents.
8) Altaf asked India for help for his oppressed "muhajirs" Quaid didn't ask for help anywhere.
8) Quaid did not have a British passport unlike Altaf.

So any comparison to Quaid is foolish.

Moreover...
The Quaid was a popularly accepted leader who transcended communities.
Altaf Hussian cant get out of the areas of Karachi.

 

[Chak Bamu]

Let me clarify. If I did not believe in Pakistan, I would not live & work here.

I am pissed that people are so ungrateful for Pakistan. Educated Muslims could hardly aspire to anything higher than clerk-ship in united India. Read Altaf Gohar. He never imagined that he could become ICS.

All the government and private jobs, businesses, entitlements that many of us are ungrateful for could not be hoped-for by Muslims in united India. And then we have people telling us that Partition was a mistake. I say screw that. This is the poison that AH has spread. All the people crying about discrimination could not have had what they enjoy today in United India. Just look at Muslims in India. Do some of us wish for that? Apparently AH has them convinced that they ought to have been in United India. Did I just read someone call Partition a joke?