Qatari pilgrims harassed in Mecca Grand Mosque

[Saif al-Arab]

Qataris were not accused of non of this. They were harassed due to political reason.

There was no harassing. It's fake news. Propaganda. Don't believe everything that you read. Use critical thinking or take a look at this thread and read my replies.

Pilgrims were always excluded. It was made clear from day 1.

nope it's the saudi religion- made and spread by them. only natural that they call the shots

Not so fast but Makkah and Madinah are sovereign cities of KSA indeed and that will not change. We the natives have lived in those two ancient cities (some of the oldest in the world) for millennia. We are sons of this soil and so are our leaders. Foreigners are in no position to tell us what to do in our own lands. Such attempts will be rejected by us locals in the utmost manner.

We may disagree with Saudi policies but only the Saudis have sovereignty over Mecca and Medina.

If a piece of land is considered holy for any reason, it does not mean that the country loses sovereignty over it.

The idea that the holy cities are collectively owned by all Muslims is a utopian and childish fantasy. We Pakistanis have a special tendency to become more Catholic than the pope.

Good to see some sanity prevail in this thread. Thanks bro.

 

[El Sidd]

Qataris were not accused of non of this. They were harassed due to political reason.

He means to say that if they were disturbing order by promoting politics inside the Haram.

 

[BATMAN]

Qataris were not accused of non of this. They were harassed due to political reason.

If they were really harassed or just another one of Al_Jazzera master piece, which is the part of problem it self!

He means to say that if they were disturbing order by promoting politics inside the Haram.

All of sudden, we start caring about Qataris!
News is fake, you must know 99% news in world media against Saudi are mere allegations.
And here you are believing Al-Jazeera narrative as it is word of god!
I recommend, you develop analytical thinking, question the authenticity of source as a first step. Than look for official narrative as second step. or else media who produce false news are more encouraged and than you are partner in their next lie.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Some other muslim country must take over Mecca from KSA. They are building palaces and hotels on historic sites ,tombs and pre-Wahabi islamic sites(they also have extreme historic value as well as there religious value) but keeps on renovating and upgrading Al-wahab's tomb. What they do is no different from ISIS but KSA keeps on shutting UNESCO and other organizations with their oil money

Ironic that the house of Sauds founding father was beheaded by Ottomans for damaging the Prophets mosque & shrine and grave markers in Karbala aswell as the shrine of Hazrat Imam Hussein.
They even proposed destruction of Peophet Mohammad PBUHs shrine

http://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/new...grave-risks-new-muslim-division-30557589.html


They consider shrines as "kufr" yet wahabs tomb stands.

He means to say that if they were disturbing order by promoting politics inside the Haram.

He would even defend Saudi royals if they stood against his own blood... only one animal has such a trait..

 

[El Sidd]

If they were really harassed or just another one of Al_Jazzera master piece, which is the part of problem it self!



All of sudden, we start caring about Qataris!
News is fake, you must know 99% news in world media against Saudi are mere allegations.
And here you are believing Al-Jazeera narrative as it is word of god!
I recommend, you develop analytical thinking, question the authenticity of source as a first step. Than look for official narrative as second step. or else media who produce false news are more encouraged and than you are partner in their next lie.

Please read my first post here

 

[BATMAN]

Some other muslim country must take over Mecca from KSA. They are building palaces and hotels on historic sites ,tombs and pre-Wahabi islamic sites(they also have extreme historic value as well as there religious value) but keeps on renovating and upgrading Al-wahab's tomb. What they do is no different from ISIS but KSA keeps on shutting UNESCO and other organizations with their oil money

there are many fighter types in Pakistan, who are assisting Iran from generations.
Let their on coming generations continue their struggle and come up with a better missile.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

there are many fighter types in Pakistan, who are assisting Iran from generations.
Let their on coming generations continue their struggle and come up with a better missile.

2 dogs... loyal to their masters... both kinds would lick their masters feces if they could... ain't that right "batman".

 

[El Sidd]

Ironic that the house of Sauds founding father was beheaded by Ottomans for damaging the Prophets mosque & shrine and grave markers in Karbala aswell as the shrine of Hazrat Imam Hussein.

They consider shrines as "kufr" yet wahabs tomb stands.


He would even defend Saudi royals if they stood against his own blood... only one animal has such a trait..

We have a vibrant society and each have a beautiful way of understanding politics.
Why the name calling?
Two Pakistanis can have a difference of opinion. Leave it to that. Both sides have their influences

 

[M. Sarmad]

.. The most ridiculous lie is Iran's relation to Pakistani Shias. We have no hand in Pakistan, however we are always being accused of it. We have zero investment in your governmental institutes, less than zero influence among Pakistani Shias.

That is not entirely true. Iran has some influence on Pakistani Shias but Saudi influence on Pakistani Wahhabis/Deobandis is extremely strong.

In Pakistan, Shias and Deobandis/Wahhabis are almost equal in number (almost 15-20 % each) but Deobandis/Wahhabis run almost 75% of total Madrasas (Religious Seminaries) in the country compared to only 3-4 % run by Shias. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who (i.e. KSA or Iran) has "invested" in Pakistan to gain religious/political influence.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Ironic that the house of Sauds founding father was beheaded by Ottomans for damaging the Prophets mosque & shrine and grave markers in Karbala.

They consider shrines as "kufr" yet wahabs tomb stands.

Abdullad bin Saud Al-Saud was not any "founding father". Not sure where you are taught history.

He was merely a ruler of the First Saudi State between 1814-1818. Far from the first one.



Secondly they were not Ottomans but Egyptians under the leadership of Muhammad Ali (an Albanian). Eventually they lost and the House of Saudi very quickly gained power again for good or worse.

Lastly there is no tomb of Muhammad ibn Abd Al-Wahhab Al-Tamimi anywhere (once again I do not know where you are taught history) nor is anyone calling himself a "Wahhabi". It's an invented word. Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab Al-Tamimi was a Sunni Hanbali and today around 25% of KSA's population, mainly in Najd, are following the Hanbali fiqh.

I wonder, do you have similar outcries about the Qarmatians and the Safavids which were many times bloodier (genocide)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safavid_conversion_of_Iran_to_Shia_Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qarmatians

Let's stick to the topic which is "Qatari pilgrims being harassed in Makkah" which is a fabrication.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

We have a vibrant society and each have a beautiful way of understanding politics.
Why the name calling?
Two Pakistanis can have a difference of opinion. Leave it to that. Both sides have their influences

Thank God, I think straight , instead of some loyalty to some king or cleric...

 

[El Sidd]

That is not entirely true. Iran has some influence on Pakistani Shias but Saudi influence on Pakistani Wahhabis/Deobandis is extremely strong.

In Pakistan, Shias and Deobandis/Wahhabis are almost equal in number (almost 15-20 % each) but Deobandis/Wahhabis run almost 75% of total Madrasas (Religious Seminaries) in the country compared to only 3-4 % run by Shias. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who (i.e. KSA or Iran) has "invested" in Pakistan to gain religious/political influence.

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the business side and strike a balance with its population.

Its just toooooo complicated to explain the strategic science behind that to someone who is throwing percentages around from his hat.

Thank God, I think straight , instead of some loyalty to some king or cleric...

Good. Now lose the arrogant bit and help others stay neutral on this

 

[BATMAN]

 

[M. Sarmad]

And it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out the business side and strike a balance with its population.

Its just toooooo complicated to explain the strategic science behind that to someone who is throwing percentages around from his hat.

Any counter arguments/facts ? If not, then you don't need to rant

 

[Muhammed45]

That is not entirely true. Iran has some influence on Pakistani Shias but Saudi influence on Pakistani Wahhabis/Deobandis is extremely strong.

In Pakistan, Shias and Deobandis/Wahhabis are almost equal in number (almost 15-20 % each) but Deobandis/Wahhabis run almost 75% of total Madrasas (Religious Seminaries) in the country compared to only 3-4 % run by Shias. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out who (i.e. KSA or Iran) has "invested" in Pakistan to gain religious/political influence.

We never had investment in Pakistani madrasas, because of the KSA's dominance in your country. Some of Shias love Iran, i have the same feeling about them. It is not because of our money or investment in your country, just a mutual emotion like two members of one family. You know, Shia's love to Shias is an extreme thing that only a Shia can understand that.
The blowing guys belong to the 75% of the mentioned madarsas if you be honest buddy. Perhaps some Mullahs from Iran have gone to Pakistan to teach Quran and for other religious goals but it never was managed by any of Iranian governments.