As I said YOU DON'T have the slightest clue what it is your talking about!
You are the most illiterate and delusional man in the Iranian section on PDF.
1st off the Q-313 is a Subsonic aircraft with very limited maneuvering capability with a very low payload capacity and it is not a platform that is even designed for air superiority for it to have BVR capabilities and fact is your knowledge about aircrafts are so limited that you don't even know that much!
This aircraft doesn't exist yet so stop claiming stuff like you are the chief designer. Even if for sake of argument I agree that this aircraft will exist in future and is going to be a sub-sonic, low payload joke without any substantial A2A capability then what is the point of creating this clown cart? Such aircraft may serve their A2G purposes if the air-arm operating them can also field out fair number of air superiority fighters to keep the area clear. IRIAF has no such option. Fly these in future in war and they will be shot at by F-35, F-22, Rafale, EF-2000, F-15SE, F-16 Blk60. You are delusional.
And to claim that Iran can't build avionics is more a reflection on how little you know and in my opinion only a person with little knowledge about what avionics are would ever make such an absurd claim!
Show the proof or you will be proving to me that you are a delusional man ... show me something instead of hiding behind trash talk. Has there ever been any MAJOR local combat suite up-gradation of IRIAF fleet? provide proof please.
By the way, we have never seen even relic radars like APQ-153/157/120 or AWG-9 being rebuilt with upgraded features inside Iran which IRIAF has been operating for nearly last 5 decades.
As for Iranian reverse engineered versions of the F-5 again your confusing can't with not wanting too! And Iranian reversed engineered versions of the F-5 was built before the Saegheh
Prove it or you are a delusional man.
And F-5's are already low thrust fighters with low payload capacity so increasing the drag and weight of an F-5 even further by adding an extra stabilizer has little to no military value for Iran to invest in the mass production of the Saegheh!
so you agree with me here that they started with the wrong design at first and project failed despite the mass production propaganda?
Yes a limited number were built mostly for R&D purposes and probably to see how Iranian ground and airborne radars did against F/A-18's but by the most part it was never meant to be mass produced because producing them or the F-5's just doesn't make much sense
Provide evidence to your claim you delusional man. They re-built some 7 x F-5E/F with twin VS just to see how Iranian radars would fare against Hornets ? ...
... If mass production was not the idea then why did decision makers waste millions of dollars and hours of men power on a stupid project that ended up becoming an insult for IRIAF ?
For the last time THE COST/BENIFT ANALISYS of a fighter like the F-5 or an Iranian version of it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE! Each F-5 at an absolute minimum would cost Iran over $2 million USD a year to keep operational during peace time and that's without ordnance cost or the cost of upgrades or major part replacement....
Now if by 2008 Iran had produced 100 F-5's by now they would have at the very least cost Iran $2billion usd just to keep them operational (Not inducing the actual cost of the aircraft, major part replacement, upgrades and overhaul or PGM) and that's for an Aircraft with no real Air to Air capabilities and extremely limited strike capabilities beyond 300km of Iranian Airspace
Also, due to their limited range and inability to conduct air to air refueling a new fleet of Iranian versions of the F-5 would by the most part have to be located at bases near the boarder making them easy targets and among the 1st targets to be hit at the start of any conflict if Iran had them
So even if you were to upgrade them with new radars and sensors due to their limited range and payload they would have to be located near the boarder to have any use
So you see when Iran has better options available to it like various types of Missiles, UAV's & SAM then mass producing fighters like the F-5 and keeping them operational becomes more of a burden than a capability
So don't confuse can't with not wanting too!
BS again by the usual suspect. Do you think these legendary calculations were not performed by IRIAF, HESA, Defence ministry decision makers that you carried out on a defense forum, yet they still went with announcements like we have created a local F/A-18 which will be mass produced ?
Even if I agree with you that creating a small 3rd generation replica was not feasible for IRIAF from the beginning that it just proves my point that Azarakhsh, Saeghe, Qaher are all propaganda stunts which are used for local consumption from time to time. Iran as a nation can not build a 4th generation fighter jet platform by itself. Engine, Radar, Avionics, Armaments all will have to be imported and that is where the argument of buying a foreign proven platform vs invent the wheel again comes in. I would rather have 3-4 squadrons of Su-30 SM/J-10C fly in the Iranian air space then spend same amount of money on rebuilt 3rd generation Shahi relics or according to you "low payload, subsonic aircraft with no substantial A2A capability" Qaher.
By the way, if Saeghe project would have been a reality with proper foreign input from China, Russia then it could have become something like FC-1/JF-17 or F-20, a potent fourth generation combat platform, built inside Iran. IRIAF would have a future that it currently does not have. No trash talk can change that sore fact.
