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The Mayhem in Mumbai

Making sense of India's terrorist attacks

Newsweek Web Exclusive
Nov 26, 2008 | Updated: 11:16 p.m. ET Nov 28, 2008

The attacks targeted the heart of India's financial district, but the shock waves were felt around the globe. On Wednesday, a group of heavily armed assailants carried out a series of coordinated strikes in Mumbai—killing at least 100, wounding hundreds more, and claiming an indeterminate number of hostages. A group calling themselves the Deccan Mujahedeen claimed responsibility for the mayhem, but their identity could not be immediately confirmed, and many terrorism specialists said they were unfamiliar with the name. Whoever did it took aim at Western passport-holders and prominent targets; among the locations hit were two major hotels, a train station and a hospital. Several top Indian security officials were among the casualties.

Police on the ground struggled to get a chaotic situation under control. Meanwhile, officials in the U.S. and elsewhere rushed to condemn the attacks—while puzzling over the root cause of the violence and wondering, on the eve of the Thanksgiving holiday, whether more violence might be in store. Fareed Zakaria, editor of Newsweek International, author most recently of The Post-American World, and a Mumbai native, spoke with Tom Watson, managing editor of Newsweek.com, about the attacks and the political and social landscape in which they occurred.

NEWSWEEK: The events on the ground are unfolding rapidly. But knowing the country as well as you do, what strikes you about the reports we've heard so far?

FAREED ZAKARIA: I think one of the misconceptions we're seeing so far is the assumption that these attacks were aimed primarily at foreigners. Look at their targets. The two hotels they attacked—the Taj and the Oberoi—are old, iconic Indian hotels. It used to be true that these places were affordable only by Westerners. But this is no longer true, and it's one of the big changes over the last ten years in India. The five-star hotels today are filled with Indians. Businessmen, wedding receptions, parties…these are real meeting places now, and even those who cannot afford to stay there often pass through the lobby.

So you think if the aim was to hit Americans, Brits or other Westerners, there would be more target-rich environments?

Absolutely. There's a Marriott, and a Hilton, a Four Seasons….The big American chains all have hotels there, and there are many more distinctly American targets. The Taj and the Oberoi are owned by Indians. My guess is that there will be a lot of Indians involved, and that this will generate a lot of domestic outrage.

The group that claimed responsibility called itself the Deccan Mujahedeen—a name that doesn't seem to register with many of the terrorism experts quoted in news accounts thus far. Does it mean anything to you?

This doesn't strike me as Deccan (the Deccan plateau stretches over much of central and southern India). I would be very surprised if the people who did this actually came out of the area. It's not an area of any particular significance for Islamic terrorism. It isn't as though there's a Deccan separatist region.

Any insight into where the terrorists might come from, then?

An Indian businessman who says he heard the attackers said he didn't understand the language that the young men were speaking. That means that it wasn't Hindi or Urdu… most Indians would recognize the major languages even if they couldn't speak one of them. But most Indians would be unfamiliar with what's spoken in parts of the Kashmir. That's a source of much of the terrorism. My guess is that ultimately this will turn out to be some outside jihadi groups who might also recruit among disaffected Muslims locally.

Muslim militants have been responsible for much of the violence that has plagued Mumbai in recent years. But these attacks seem to be of a different magnitude.

One of the untold stories of India is that the Muslim population has not shared in the boom the country has enjoyed over the last ten years. There is still a lot of institutional discrimination, and many remain persecuted. There's enough alienation out there that there are locals who can be drawn in to plots. That tends to be a pattern, from Madrid to Casablanca to Bali—some hard-core jihadis who indoctrinate alienated locals they can seduce.

What's also new and different about this was that it involved suicide attackers. There have been planted bombs in the past. But this is a different level than we've seen in India.

Given the delicate politics of the region—and particularly the tensions between India and Pakistan—do you anticipate Indian officials pointing fingers at their neighbor?

If you wanted to construct a conspiracy theory, it would go like this: elements of the Pakistani intelligence service that would like to get India more drawn into conflict in Kashmir might encourage this sort of thing. That would draw militants in the Pakistani tribal areas away from attacking the Pakistani state, and back to attacking the Indian state. But I've never tended to believe such theories. More plausible to me: this is a classic Frankenstein monster. All these groups have some degree of training and support from Pakistan. But this operation probably does not involve that directly. These groups are now autonomous, self-supporting, and have gone beyond those origins.

Do you suspect an Al Qaeda connection?

I doubt it. My sense is that for the last several years, the core of Al Qaeda—Osama Bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri—has been very weak. This seems more like a Kashmiri, Lashkar kind of thing. They have the organization, they have the recruits, they have a cause they care about. The thing about Al Qaeda is that they've been quite unsuccessful in their core areas—attacking American soldiers and American targets in Afghanistan and Pakistan, attacking the U.S. embassies. But it's possible that they are now going where they can, and India is a big soft target. If you go to a five-star hotel in Pakistan, it's like a fort now. There are often two levels of security, and you often have to take a separate car to get from the gate to the door. It's not likely that will happen in India, an open, democratic society.

What strikes you about the way the country has responded in these first hours?

I think India is showing remarkable resilience. They're trying to get back to business as usual. They were planning to open the stock market, which is not far from the Taj; they ultimately decided that that might have been a bridge too far, but they're encouraging people to go back to work. That's the best thing about an open society. They're trying to project an image of resilience.

Zakaria: Behind Mumbai's Terrorist Attacks | Newsweek International | Newsweek.com
 
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Investigators from Pak , India , Israel , US and UK would be involved - so any conclusion or blame pointed , I expect it to be absolute in nailing the perpetrators.
 
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I want to live: Captured terrorist Azam
29 Nov 2008, 0959 hrs IST, MUMBAI MIRROR

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MUMBAI: His swaggering image as he walked around Chhatrapati Shivaji terminus dispensing death was captured by Mumbai Mirror photo editor

Sebastian D' souza, and was the first glimpse of the terrorists who have held Mumbai hostage over the last 48 hours.

Now we can also tell you who this man is and how he has become the vital link for investigating agencies to crack the terror plot.

His name is Azam Amir Kasav, he is 21 years old, speaks fluent English, hails from tehsil Gipalpura in Faridkot in Pakistan, and is the only terrorist from this audacious operation to have been captured alive.

An ATS spokesperson confirmed that the man captured was indeed the one photographed by us.

On the night of Wednesday-Thursday Azam and his colleague opened fire at CST before creating havoc at Metro and then moving on to Girgaum Chowpatty in a stolen Skoda, and where they were intercepted by a team from the Gamdevi police station . Azam shot dead assistant police inspector Tukaram Umbale.

But in that encounter Azam's colleague was killed and he himself was injured in the hand. He pretended to be dead giving rise to the news that two terrorists had been killed. However as the 'bodies' were being taken to Nair Hospital, the accompanying cops figured that one of the men was breathing.

Ammunition, a satellite phone and a layout plan of CST was recovered from him. According to sources the young terrorist has given the investigators vital leads including how the chief planner of the Mumbai terror plot had come to the city a month ago, took picture and filmed strategic locations and trained their group and instructed them to "kill till the last breath." Every man was given six to seven magazines with fifty bullets each, eight hand grenades per terrorist with one AK-57 , an automaticloading revolver and a supply of dry fruits.

Azam reportedly disclosed that the group left Karachi in one boat and upon reaching Gujarat they hoisted a white flag on their boat and were intercepted by two officers of the coast guard near Porbandar and while they were being questioned one of the terrorists grappled with one of the officers slit his throat and threw the body in the boat. The other officer was told to help the group reach Mumbai. When they were four nautical miles away from Mumbai there were three speedboats waiting for them where the other coastguard officer was killed. All the ammo was then shifted into these three spedboats they reached Colaba jetty on Wednesday night and the ten men broke up into groups of two each. Four of these men went to the Taj Mahal hotel, two of them to the Trident hotel, two towards Nariman House at Colaba and two of which Azam was one moved to CST.

Azam, who was at Nair hospital for nearly four hours, was taken away by the intelligence agencies in the early hours of Thursday to an unknown location after the hospital authorities had removed the bullet from his hand and declared that his condition stable. But it seems the police grilling was so intense that before he left the hospital for an undisclosed location he pleaded with the police and the medical staff to kill him. "Now , I don't want to live," he said.

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The blame is not being directed at the Pakistani Government or the general population. It is only the hardline factions of the army and intelligence agencies that are being pointed at.

It is only the bad pressmanship of some Indian news agencies(they have their own reasons to sensationalize things. After all they need some bucks to live) and the added interpretations of Pakistani press that make pakistanis feel that they are being blamed.

My first post. Please wish me :tup:

RJA - we wish u well but your statement rings of contradiction!
 
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Terror trail runs to Britain
- Trio of Pak origin in net, UK sleuths to fly in , The Telegraph


Brown: Cautious
Mumbai, Nov. 28: Two British citizens are among the three terrorists, all of Pakistani origin, arrested so far, a police source said.

“Two British-born Pakistanis, along with another from Faridkot near Multan in Pakistan, have been arrested in connection with the Mumbai carnage. They are being interrogated. All three are injured, though not grievously,” a top Mumbai police official said.

The Pakistani national has identified himself as Abu Ismail though the British-born terrorists are referring to him as Zakirullah. He was the first to be arrested, early on Thursday morning. The others were arrested from the Taj.

Maharashtra police chief A.N. Roy did not confirm if Britons were involved, but said investigators were in touch with British authorities and were seeking intelligence inputs from them. “A team of Scotland Yard’s anti-terrorist detectives and negotiators is on its way to Mumbai to assist with information and intelligence,” Roy said.

Asked about the claim that Britons could be among the perpetrators, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown said: “I would not want to be drawn into early conclusions about this.”

“Obviously, when you have terrorists operating in one country, they may be getting support from another country or coming from another country, and it is very important that we strengthen the co-operation between India and Britain in dealing with these instances of terrorist attacks,” the Daily Telegraph quoted him as saying.

The Mumbai police source said security services in Britain were studying images of the attackers in an effort to identify them.


One of the British-born Pakistani terrorists, Ajmal Amir Kamal, has revealed that he travelled to Multan in Pakistan for training, the source added.

Ismail has told interrogators that 12 of them left in a Vietnam-bound merchant vessel from Karachi. Later, they hijacked a fishing trawler to reach Indian waters early on Wednesday morning. “By the time they reached Mumbai, it was around 7.30pm. Two of them got down near Sassoon Dock (Mumbai port), eight at the fishermen’s village in Colaba and two at Gateway of India. Later, they split into five small groups,” said the police source.

Fishermen from the Colaba village immediately informed local policemen at the nearby post at Badhwar Park that they had seen eight men land. But no action was taken.

Police say the terrorists met some local contacts before beginning their operations nearly two hours later.

Naval commandos have recovered credit cards and identity cards as well as a vast arsenal of grenades, AK-47 magazines, shells and knives from the Taj.

Police said the terrorists were carrying dry fruits, suggesting they were prepared for a long-drawn battle.

“The dry fruits and some other logistical support came from the local contacts. Nine people have been detained from various parts of the city for questioning,” the police source added.

“A large quantity of RDX and other ammunition, including guns and grenades, has been recovered from both the hotels. It appears that some of these local contacts checked into the hotels and may have helped stockpile the ammunition,” he said.

Police are also checking whether the England cricket team was one of the targets.

Some of the team members had been due to stay at the Taj on Wednesday evening before a late decision was made to switch training to Bangalore.

“I don’t know why it was switched but we could have been there. All our white Test kit is in one of the rooms at the Taj Mahal hotel: All our pads and clothes for the Test series and our blazers and caps and ties,” England skipper Michael Vaughan said from Bangalore.

The team is leaving for home tonight from Bangalore.

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Pakistan
Very conveniently blamed!

at least in Indian Media it is beaten like a dead donkey, govt maybe not sure as they have already established the veracity of the evidence within 24 hours of start of the attacks

lets see what's been happening in the background of all this

1. Indian army officers involvemnt in Blasts in Malegaon and Samjhota express and more at verge of getting revealed

2. the two highest ranking antiterrorism officers who were investigating the HOLY! COLONEL from Indian army also killed in Mumbai attacks

3. Pakistani army being sqeezed by american and Indian agents like Baitullah from the western front, why to leave the eastern theatre unattended,

but what will be the pretext!!!!!

4. The stupid ISI agents missed the last class of their training!!!!
you know what was taught in the last class
(Or maybe the ISI agents did not give them the last class if the perpetrators were their assets)

PLEASE DO NOT CALL KARACHI WHEN YOU ARE IN INDIA

PLEASE DO NOT LEAVE EVIDENCE BEHIND i.e., EXPLOSIVES IN TH E BOATS because you might need them!!!!!

PLEASE DO NOT TAKE RASEELI SUPARI FROM PAKISTAN IN YOUR BAG

and finally DO NOT SPEAK IN PUNJABI WEHN YOU ARE CLAIMING TO DECCAN MUJAHIDEEN (you idiots!!!!!! I mean terrorists)

5. Indian intellegence could not pick up this super secret mission with not one but at least couple mother boats and then maybe quite a few small vessels which transported 40 odd terrorists into the city! amazing!
My amazement does not stop here because less than 24 hours into attacks
Media and Govt know it all. Hmmmmmmm??

(It reminds me of Darra Adamkhel arms bazaar where police let you go through checkpost to Bazar, let you buy arms and then story starts when you are coming back)


HATS OFF TO INDAIN PERFORMANCE (in the media at least) BUT YOU KNOW WHAT!!!
THE SCRIPT IS QUITE POOR VERY MUCH SMELLS STAR PLUS TYPE "KAHANI GHAR GHAR KI (which I hate! doesn't every family man hate it)

No Offence to Indian people at this hour because as Pakistanis we all stand shoulder to shoulder in their pain and really understand how really it feels.

to people orchestrating it "well it could have been scripted a bit more discreetly maybe Aikta Kapoor wrote it???

If you are requesting sources for the above information, that is from the Indian Media esp NDTV coveraege in UK and the quotes from Gen Off Commanding at the scene
 
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As far as official version is concerned, nether Prime Minster nor Foreign minister has blamed Pakistan (as a country) for this act. Foreign minister only stated that SOME element in Pakistan may be responsible for that. These SOME elements may be those terrorist organizations which are causing trouble in Pakistan also. Whatever media is saying ca not be treated as Indian stand.

But that does not change the fact that it was massive intel failure and could not have happened without local support. So, we should look internally also for these blood shed. :cry:
 
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Listen to the conspiracy theories flourishing on Pakistani TV:

 
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The blame is not being directed at the Pakistani Government or the general population. It is only the hardline factions of the army and intelligence agencies that are being pointed at.

It is only the bad pressmanship of some Indian news agencies(they have their own reasons to sensationalize things. After all they need some bucks to live) and the added interpretations of Pakistani press that make pakistanis feel that they are being blamed.

My first post. Please wish me :tup:

Well said Rubyjackass! :tup:

Welcome aboard, please post in intro in the members intro section so we can give you a proper welcome.
 
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29 Nov 2008

Washington Post Editorial

As I write, the world's security experts still have no idea which organization carried out this week's terrorist attacks in Mumbai, and I have no idea myself. The Indian government suspects Pakistani groups, but some eyewitnesses have said the gunmen spoke Hindi, which could mean that they were of Indian origin. The attacks, carried out on several targets simultaneously, reminded some of al-Qaeda, but the gunmen were not suicide bombers and they did not use standard al-Qaeda technology. A group calling itself the "Deccan Mujaheddin" has claimed responsibility, but no one has heard this name before. One anonymous "U.S. counterterrorism official" mentioned a few other groups -- Lashkar-i-Taiba, which means "Army of the Pious," and Jaish-i-Muhammad, or "Soldiers of Muhammad" -- but even off the record he refused to be drawn further. "It's still too early for hard and fast conclusions."

Other experts, both named and anonymous, used phrases such as "premature" and "I'm pretty sure" and "caution." Without much to go on, analysts have been speculating about the consequences of a political rupture between India and Pakistan or the long and somewhat neglected history of domestic terrorism in India. Some think the apparent targeting of American, British and Jewish tourists is significant. Others reckon that the real target must have been the financial district of Mumbai, India's commercial capital. All in all, it is a very unsatisfactory picture.

In the coming days, more will surely be learned about the gunmen, some of whom have been captured by the Indian police. Their weapons will be traced, their motives will become clearer, their methods better understood. Their leaders will acquire names, personalities. Still, it is worth underlining, emphasizing and remembering this initial moment of total ignorance: If nothing else, it's a reminder of some things we learned on Sept. 11, 2001.

At that time, al-Qaeda was widely described as something new: Unlike terrorist groups of the past, many noted, it operated not as a single, secretive organization but more like a global franchise. Organizations and individuals with various agendas could go to al-Qaeda for weapons and training. Afterward, they could, in effect, set up their own local branches, whose goals and methods might reflect the original, Saudi-inspired al-Qaeda ideology -- or might not. Some predicted that al-Qaeda would even inspire copycat movements, much as McDonald's inspired Burger King. Groups with no connection to Osama bin Laden -- and no interest in being connected to him -- might imitate some of his methods and tactics. By definition, the members of such groups would be civilians, sometimes living ordinary lives. They would not be combatants in the ordinary sense of the word. They would not wear uniforms, follow rules or organize themselves into anything resembling a traditional army. And they could not, therefore, be fought only with traditional military methods.

Too often over the past seven years, it has been easy to forget this initial analysis. After all, most of our major military efforts since 2001 have, at least early on, involved rather more concrete enemies, whom we have fought in specific places, using traditional means. The initial assault on Afghanistan was, in fact, a proxy war, not a postmodern, post-globalization game of tricks and mirrors. The same was true in Iraq: We overthrew a dictator, toppled his statues and set up an occupation regime.

Only later, in both places, did we find ourselves contending with groups invariably described as "shadowy," with enemies who melted in and out of the civilian population, with terrorist cells that might be connected to al-Qaeda, to Pakistan, to Iran -- or might not be. It took some time before we understood that our opponents in Iraq were not merely disgruntled Baathists but in fact encompassed a range of both Sunni and Shiite groups with different agendas.

Only now, for that matter, do we comprehend the degree to which the very word "Taliban" is misleading: Though the term implies a definite group with clear goals, American commanders in Afghanistan understand very well that what they call the "Taliban" is an amalgamation of insurgents, some of whom fight for tribal interests, others for money and only some for a clear-cut ideological cause.

Perhaps the Mumbai gunmen will, like some of those in the Afghan Taliban, also turn out to be members of a homegrown, locally based, ad hoc organization with its own eccentric goals and training methods. Or perhaps they will turn out to belong to a definite group with a clear ideology, which would, of course, be easier all around. Surely the point, though, is that we should be well-prepared to deal with either -- and wary of mistaking one for the other.

applebaumletters@washpost.com
 
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Rubyjackass - how has it been on the grassy knoll? I like your name. BTW there is also another thread open on this in the Members club. See http://www.defence.pk/forums/members-club/16847-cst-killer-3.html#post230054

The blame is not being directed at the Pakistani Government or the general population. It is only the hardline factions of the army and intelligence agencies that are being pointed at.

It is only the bad pressmanship of some Indian news agencies(they have their own reasons to sensationalize things. After all they need some bucks to live) and the added interpretations of Pakistani press that make pakistanis feel that they are being blamed.

My first post. Please wish me :tup:
 
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Zaid Hamid Inciting Pakistanis to break up India on Pakistani National TV

Who were the guys complaining about Indian news channels?


 
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I wonder how easy it must be to incite youngsters to join Terrorist camps by simply listening to such hate-speech on National TV!!
 
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