Problems for India's Modi Balochistan rant leaves Iran, Afghanistan & Pakistan Uneasy

[RAMPAGE]

Desperate moves after the sad incidents in Kashmir!!

Not just desperate but stupid as well. The Kashmir issue is something the world knows about, Baluchistan is more of a figment of imagination, no way close the Kashmir problem that have been the bone of contention between two nuclear armed states for decades now! THE WORLD KNOWS IT MR. MODI! No sane person can compare the two!

I would advice the Pakistani members not to take such things very seriously!! Empty vessels make most noise!

@WAJsal @Slav Defence @Moonlight @The Sandman @Irfan Baloch @The Eagle @araz

I strongly disagree, Sir. It would be very unwise to dismiss this as an act of desperation or something inconsequential. The recent rants by US congressmen may very well be connected to Modi's statement and to the Indian lobby in US. Such statements can very much harm our plans for Balochistan, put off investors and prove to be detrimental to the port of Gwadar.

This should not go unnoticed and unanswered.

 

[The Eagle]

Desperate moves after the sad incidents in Kashmir!!

Not just desperate but stupid as well. The Kashmir issue is something the world knows about, Baluchistan is more of a figment of imagination, no way close the Kashmir problem that have been the bone of contention between two nuclear armed states for decades now! THE WORLD KNOWS IT MR. MODI! No sane person can compare the two!

I would advice the Pakistani members not to take such things very seriously!! Empty vessels make most noise!

@WAJsal @Slav Defence @Moonlight @The Sandman @Irfan Baloch @The Eagle @araz

Well, honestly at the time, the statement published, my first response was thank you Modi for proving your involvement in Pakistan and helping us to highlight the Kashmir issue more than before while being desperate of the unexpected situation.

The best thing is just remind them that there is a difference between GB, Baluchistan and IoK Kashmir. Actually, a mere try to twist the facts and an attempt to mislead the Int'l forums but paid no heed. Everyone is well aware of situation inside Pakistan and in Kashmir while not long ago, US acknowledged the Indian business in Pakistan through Afghanistan.

I previously expressed that such statement not just created a strong position for Pakistan but China as well while looking at the Baluchistan, indeed it says Iran as well that we lastly briefed them about Yadhave arrival into Pak via Iran. Modi's statement was all good for domestic applause and vote gain but Internationally, it fired back but all we have to do is give a reminder and a wake up call that what exactly happening that may be helpful for the deluded ones.

 

[Arsalan]

I strongly disagree, Sir. It would be very unwise to dismiss this as an act of desperation or something inconsequential. The recent rants by US congressmen may very well be connected to Modi's statement and to the Indian lobby in US. Such statements can very much harm our plans for Balochistan, put off investors and prove to be detrimental to the port of Gwadar.

This should not go unnoticed and unanswered.

I was not talking about our official stance dear. I am addressing Pakistani members and i said this so our people do not get too emotional about it. I understand that the attempt at this is a pretty serious one but i am confident that it will come to nothing. Attention cannot be diverted from Kashmir as that is the real problem in the region and the world knows it. It is something that is the cause of unrest between two nuclear armed nations so how can anyone ignore that and pay attention to Baluchistan? Still i do agree that our foreign office and gov. should give an appropriate response. However i would advice our members again not to get into that hyper excited state over this. this is nothing more than a lame attempt at diverting attention. Keep your energies focused at the real thing.

Well, honestly at the time, the statement published, my first response was thank you Modi for proving your involvement in Pakistan and helping us to highlight the Kashmir issue more than before while being desperate of the unexpected situation.

The best thing is just remind them that there is a difference between GB, Baluchistan and IoK Kashmir. Actually, a mere try to twist the facts and an attempt to mislead the Int'l forums but paid no heed. Everyone is well aware of situation inside Pakistan and in Kashmir while not long ago, US acknowledged the Indian business in Pakistan through Afghanistan.

I previously expressed that such statement not just created a strong position for Pakistan but China as well while looking at the Baluchistan, indeed it says Iran as well that we lastly briefed them about Yadhave arrival into Pak via Iran. Modi's statement was all good for domestic applause and vote gain but Internationally, it fired back but all we have to do is give a reminder and a wake up call that what exactly happening that may be helpful for the deluded ones.

It is quite stupid approach really!!
Kashmir issue is not something that can be compared with some supposed unrest in Baluchistan (which despite millions of dollars being pumped and years of planning and effort have still not been able to produce results as the enemy would have wanted). It is just as simple as that.

 

[Areesh]

Read my post above.

As I said. Read again history of Iran and Pakistan on their collaboration on Baluchistan. Iran has been helping and collaborating with Pakistan far before Modi was even born.

The thing is that those who want to separate Baluchistan from Pakistan also want to separate Baluchistan from Iran. They are common enemies of both Pakistan and Iran. Go read more about BLA and their ideology. They consider Iran to be even bigger enemy than Pakistan.

Iran would never collaborate with India on Baloch separatist cr@p. No money can force Iran to do that.

 

[A-Team]

Seems like Indian Prime Minister Modi rant on local issue of Balochistan has left Iran, Afghanistan & Pakistan left wondering how mad Modi has become, due to especially Kashmir, and then Dalit, Moist, Sikh's Khalistan separation problems faced by India.

India’s Modi mounts the Baluchi tiger

August 16, 2016 by AT Top Writers, M.K. Bhadrakumar

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi is sadly mistaken if he thinks that he gave a ‘tit-for-tat’ for Pakistan’s interference in Kashmir affairs by raising human rights violations in Baluchistan in his Independence Day address to the nation on Aug 15. Kashmir is an international issue, whereas Baluchistan is local issue which includes Iran, Pakistan. India’s friends like Iran will have reason to worry if the genie of Baluchi sub-nationalism is let loose. It seems Modi mounted the Baluchi tiger without realizing that he may find it difficult to dismount and let go of it.

Narendra Modi earned a unique distinction this weekend as the first prime minister in India’s history to raise human rights violations in the Pakistani province of Baluchistan and Iran Sistan-Baluchistan, where a separatist insurgency has been raging for decades.

Modi feels elated that Baluchi nationalists adore him for doing that. He chose his customary Independence Day address to the nation on Monday from the ramparts of Red Fort, seat of the Muslim Mughal dynasty in Old Delhi, to stage the theatrics rich in symbolism.

However, even as Modi was espousing the cause of the Baluchis on Monday, in his home state of Gujarat, a massive public rally was held by the Dalit community – ‘untouchables’ in Hindu caste hierarchy – with the support of Muslims, protesting against persecution and social and political discrimination.


To put matters in perspective, Dalit population in India is estimated to be in the region of 200 million; Baluchis of Pakistan number around 7 million.

Indeed, human rights and Modi government make an oxymoron. Political morality should have prompted Modi to steer clear of the human rights situation in Baluchistan. So, why did he decide otherwise? The short answer is – expediency.


Modi is a past-master in diversionary tactic. At a time when an Intifada-like movement is erupting in Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley seeking independence for the region from the rest of India, the specter of ‘Kashmir problem’ once again haunts Delhi.


Intimidation or use of brute force by the Indian state, compliant local government, corrupt political class, blanket deployment of security forces numbering over half a million – the hackneyed formula to keep control over Kashmir Valley may have exhausted its possibilities after over six decades of wear and tear. Fatigue is visible in India.

An exit strategy would mean ‘out-of-the-box’ solutions of the kind Britain found for Northern Ireland, for instance. But that would call for decentralisation and devolution of powers (which was also, by the way, the basis of the accession of the region to India at the time of independence in 1947).


However, that very thought is anathema for the Hindu fundamentalists who mentor the Modi government. The ideologues of Hindutva find it abhorrent that the Muslim-majority Kashmir Valley could ever be conceded local autonomy.

The result is that Delhi finds itself between the rock and a hard place to quell the unrest in the Kashmir Valley, which has been under curfew for over a month. There is some talk that regions of the Valley may be put under direct army rule. Delhi seems preparing for a massive crackdown.


At such a juncture, Modi government finds it expedient to stage a political drama by whipping up xenophobia and make it look as if Pakistani interference is fuelling the upheaval in the Valley – rather than the other way around.

Tirades against Pakistan help boost the sagging morale of the Hindu nationalist lobby and divert public attention away from the crisis in the Valley.

Of course, the television channels through the weekend have been dutifully conducting discourses regarding a non-issue of Baluchistan. Self-styled experts are digging into madeup Baluchistan’s past history to weigh the chances of its secession from Pakistan.

The Hindu fundamentalists visualise Modi as the Iron Man of Indian politics.

They are wedded to the belief that Modi will someday vivisect Pakistan and it will be the final nail on the coffin of the Pakistani state, opening the door for the undoing of the Partition of 1947 and the emergence of Akhant Bharat (a unified Hindu-dominated Indian subcontinent.)

All this may look to the outside world to be a bizarre notion – betwixt two nuclear powers in the second decade of the 21st century. But, make no mistake, a significant and vocal section of Modi’s starry-eyed followers anticipate Pakistan’s disintegration in all earnestness.

Evidently, Modi took to stage-acting on such a potentially explosive theme as human rights without thinking through the profound consequences. For a start, he is sadly mistaken in his estimation that this is ‘tit-for-tat’ for Pakistan’s interference in India’s internal affairs.

Kashmir is an international issue, whereas Baluchistan is on par with Chechnya or Xinjiang or Mindanao or Kurdistan – an entirely different category.

The fact of the matter is that even friendly countries like Iran or Afghanistan would have cause to worry if the genie of Baluchi sub-nationalism is let loose.


Iran in particular will feel uneasy that India is destabilizing the hugely sensitive region of Baluchistan. (Iran’s sister province of Sistan-Baluchistan is already seething with militancy and separatism.)

Pakistan has been cautioning Tehran against allowing Indian presence in Chabahar Port, which is located in Sistan-Baluchistan province. Pakistan has also been propagating that India is fostering cross-border terrorism in Baluchistan, aimed at undermining the $46 billion China-Pakistan Economic Corridor.

Modi may have unwittingly given credibility to these Pakistani allegations whose sole purpose is to malign India as a country that uses terrorism as an instrument of regional policy.

The point is, Modi’s tirade against Pakistan may only draw more international attention to the carnage in the Valley, which is after all the root cause of India-Pakistan tensions today. India’s interests lie in keeping things under wraps in the Valley.

Again, Pakistan will turn the table on India’s own abysmal human rights record. Pakistan may not have a lily-white reputation, but India too has many skeletons in the closet – such as the grotesque human rights dimensions of oppressive Hindu caste system or the alienation in the Christian-majority north-eastern regions of the country.

Suffice it to say, Modi has mounted the Baluchi tiger without the foresight that he may now come under compulsion to keep riding it. Pakistan won’t let him dismount easily, either. Pakistan will react more profoundly.

Meanwhile, India’s other tiny neighbours – Bangladesh, Bhutan, Nepal Sri Lanka and the Maldives – are watching. They will be extremely wary of the perceived hegemonic intentions of Delhi. They will increasingly look toward China as a ‘balancer’ in the region.

On the other hand, tensions are steadily increasing in the India-China relations, too. The Sino-Indian ties are set to deteriorate even further as India lurches toward the US’ rebalance strategy in Asia.

One can easily foretell that the SAARC summit due in Islamabad in November has been effectively derailed. With that, India’s leadership role in South Asia is crumbling. Modi’s regional policies face a difficult future.

So long as Modi remains in power, normalization of India-Pakistan relations is simply out of the question. The probability is that tensions may cascade, and the two nuclear powers may be risking a war at some point.

The Baluchi tiger with its rider has begun walking toward the dark and deep jungle.

Ambassador MK Bhadrakumar served as a career diplomat in the Indian Foreign Service for over 29 years, with postings including India’s ambassador to Uzbekistan (1995-1998) and to Turkey (1998-2001). He writes the “Indian Punchline” blog and has written regularly for Asia Times since 2001.

http://atimes.com/20...-baluchi-tiger/

Afghanistan hopes that Pakistan and India solves their mutual issues as its negatively impacting the region.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Desperate moves after the sad incidents in Kashmir!!

Not just desperate but stupid as well. The Kashmir issue is something the world knows about, Baluchistan is more of a figment of imagination, no way close the Kashmir problem that have been the bone of contention between two nuclear armed states for decades now! THE WORLD KNOWS IT MR. MODI! No sane person can compare the two!

I would advice the Pakistani members not to take such things very seriously!! Empty vessels make most noise!

@WAJsal @Slav Defence @Moonlight @The Sandman @Irfan Baloch @The Eagle @araz

his statement goes to show how petty, desperate and sad he is.
beaten by unarmed Kashmiri protesters he is bringing in Baluchistan like a clueless NeoCon Moran Like Dana without considering the fact that people in Iran and Afghanistan are having a face palm moment too.. two countries I wants to befriend and use against Pakistan.
dick move.. is all I can say

 

[shhh]

As I said. Read again history of Iran and Pakistan on their collaboration on Baluchistan. Iran has been helping and collaborating with Pakistan far before Modi was even born.

The thing is that those who want to separate Baluchistan from Pakistan also want to separate Baluchistan from Iran. They are common enemies of both Pakistan and Iran. Go read more about BLA and their ideology. They consider Iran to be even bigger enemy than Pakistan.

Iran would never collaborate with India on Baloch separatist cr@p. No money can force Iran to do that.

Bro, India is not going to liberate Baluchistan.
Why do you think that the financial support they gave to BLA was low? Because they wanted them to be weak, just strong enough to do what India wants them to do.
They are using them just to create terrorism in Pakistan, they wont let them become so strong that they get out of control.

About India/Iran collaboration, Khulbushan Yadav should serve us as a clue to what India and Iran are up to.

 

[Areesh]

Bro, India is not going to liberate Baluchistan.
Why do you think that the financial support they gave to BLA was low? Because they wanted them to be weak, just strong enough to do what India wants them to do.
They are using them just to create terrorism in Pakistan, they wont let them become so strong that they get out of control.

About India/Iran collaboration, Khulbushan Yadav should serve us as a clue to what India and Iran are up to.

India can never liberate Balochistan. India knows that and It just wants it to be destabilize.

On the other hand BLA is an enemy of both Pakistan and Iran. BLA has training camps and support from Afghanistan and nor Iran. Iran has always collaborated with Pakistan on BLA issue and same would happen in future too.

Kal bhushan might have came from Iran but that doesn't prove that Iran is in bed with India. Just like presence of OBL on Pakistani soil doesn't prove that he was an asset for Pakistan.

 

[shhh]

India can never liberate Balochistan. India knows that and It just wants it to be destabilize.

On the other hand BLA is an enemy of both Pakistan and Iran. BLA has training camps and support from Afghanistan and nor Iran. Iran has always collaborated with Pakistan on BLA issue and same would happen in future too.

Kal bhushan might have came from Iran but that doesn't prove that Iran is in bed with India. Just like presence of OBL on Pakistani soil proves that he was an asset for Pakistan.

Ok

 

[SrNair]

Buddy, you actually think Modi wants to liberate Baluchistan.
No, he is irking Pakistan, the message is: "Kashmir is our internal problem, if you will interfere in our internal problem, we will interfere in yours".

He is raising Human Rights violation in Pakistani Baluchistan.



Read my post above.



I have the same wish.
Modi's rule is good for Pakistan.



They have made an stupid move, Sir, you just cant see it.



Yes, Our leaders are not THAT sort of idiots, that your leader is now.

Well,the experts in New Delhi knows very well than all of us.

Same applies when India protests and rants about CPEC and Balochistan all of a sudden.

We are definitely doing the right thing and going the right way.



Indian MEA under Modi is a joke. Humiliation after humiliation. From NSG to UN resolutions against Masood Azhar to Kashmir. There is a long list of humiliations.

China is always our ally and supporting us in all manners right now. And that is what matters. You can keep hoping that it would abandon us. You are hoping the same for past many many years.

Says who ?You?
And there is enough reason to say that you dont know anything about our MEA.

You said the same about US but now what happened.

 

[Areesh]

Says who ?You?
And there is enough reason to say that you dont know anything about our MEA.

You said the same about US but now what happened.

It is open for anyone. Unless you are a delusional fan of Modi you would definitely see all the failures.

 

[SrNair]

It is open for anyone. Unless you are a delusional fan of Modi you would definitely see all the failures.

Well we didnt see any failure.What we can see here the more proactive approach of our nation.

 

[Areesh]

Well we didnt see any failure.What we can see here the more proactive approach of our nation.

Get a Un resolution again Masood Azhar first then come and talk about your successes here.

 

[The Eagle]

Haresh Kumar, a minority Hindu activist from Baluchistan, Pakistan lead an anti Narendra Modi Rally in Hub City, Baluch people from all walks of life and various religious backgrounds condemned Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's statement and Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan's South Western Baluchistan Province.

The attendants also chanted slogans in Favour of Kashmiris and condemned Indian Apartheid regime' atrocities, killing, abduction, torture and imprisonment of Kashmiris and use of pallet gun against unarmed civilians by Occupation Indian forces.

Speakers called for implementation of UN resolutions on Kashmir and demanded International Agencies to probe Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan.






Just an hour ago, some local from the area (Baluchistan) posted as above.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

Haresh Kumar, a minority Hindu activist from Baluchistan, Pakistan lead an anti Narendra Modi Rally in Hub City, Baluch people from all walks of life and various religious backgrounds condemned Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi's statement and Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan's South Western Baluchistan Province.

The attendants also chanted slogans in Favour of Kashmiris and condemned Indian Apartheid regime' atrocities, killing, abduction, torture and imprisonment of Kashmiris and use of pallet gun against unarmed civilians by Occupation Indian forces.

Speakers called for implementation of UN resolutions on Kashmir and demanded International Agencies to probe Indian sponsored terrorism in Pakistan.






Just an hour ago, some local from the area (Baluchistan) posted as above.

Hmm will Zee news show this? Or will the bhartis claim it is ISI propaganda and they aren't doing it out of their will?