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Poverty in India Declining?

I believe that World Bank officials are atleast smart enough to understand if what can constitute for an official poverty line. This is the reason why this ($1/day) poverty figures does not hold any water. BTW, Could you tell me where did you get that figure of 40-70%(its a huge bracket). Here, Let me give you the link to actual figures.

Population bellow income poverty line (%) $1 a day 1990-2003 - 34.7
Population bellow income poverty line (%) National Poverty line 1990-2002 - 28.6


Way below your mark of 70%. Also, the figures are for the year 2003. With over 9% growthrate, you can very well imagine where the actual figures would stand by now.



If you read carefully, the article speaks in good length about India with only a passing references to other South Asian countries and you want me to believe that it is convineantly ignoring India while talking about poverty reduction in SA countries. Don't kid yourself, please!!!



All that your "million dollar" report does is quote one man's grievances, magnify them & project them on national level. Quite a research!!! Well!! I'll still go by "$0.02" World Bank report.

Mate,it is no point posting proofs. When it comes to the discussion of "Indian Poverty",it is always "I believe what I want to believe".
That attitude does not change even if there are 100's of proofs available.

For some reason,people around expect India "must" have to be perfect. Even if 1 person is left below poverty line after years of improvement,it would still be consider as the "failure of the Indians".

Hence it is just waste of time to provide proofs. Proofs are provided for "debate and discussion" not to change "I believe what I want to believe" attitudes.
 
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WSWS : News & Analysis : Asia : India

Black fever in India: an epidemic rooted in poverty
By Parwini Zora and Daniel Woreck



Kala-Azar—known medically as visceral leishmaniasis and in popular English as black fever—is a curable illness, but it has become the second most fatal parasitic disease in India, claiming 60,000 victims annually. Only malaria causes a higher number of deaths. Most of the victims of black fever are from India’s rural poor.

Black fever’s impact on public health was grossly underestimated until a rapid increase in the number of infections and the breadth of infected areas was noted during the last decade. An estimated 350 million people in 88 countries in inter-tropical and temperate regions are said to be at risk from the disease.

Visceral leishmaniasis is caused by a microscopic parasite transmitted by the phlebozomine sand fly, and inflicts those infected with irregular bouts of fever, fatigue, substantial weight loss, swelling of the lymph nodes, spleen and the liver, and anaemia. It is also associated with the spread of potentially fatal secondary infections such as pneumonia. If untreated or inadequately treated, black fever usually results in death.

India accounts for half of the 600,000 visceral leishmaniasis infections that are annually recorded worldwide. Most of the cases in India come from the northern and eastern states of Bihar, Utter Pradesh, West Bengal and Orissa, with Bihar alone accounting for ninety percent of all India’s black fever victims.

In Bihar, India’s third most populous state, the disease has grown by leaps and bounds since 1977. In that year only 17 districts were deemed affected by black fever. Today 33 of Bihar’s 37 districts routinely report black fever cases and 23 districts are considered to be severely affected.


Rural poverty and disease

Although it is known to have the most fertile land in all of India, Bihar is one of the country’s poorest states. Forty-four percent of Bihar’s 83 million people live under the official poverty line and 34 percent cannot afford even one proper meal per day.

The majority of those afflicted with black fever are from the families of landless agricultural labourers. The labourers are employed at home for between four and nine months per year and spend the remainder of the year seeking work in states like Punjab and Delhi, where recent capital investment has been concentrated. The single-room, thatched mud huts that the agricultural labourers inhabit offer a perfect breeding ground for the sand flies, which lay their eggs in the crevices found in the mud walls and flourish in the huts’ high humidity environment during monsoon season.

Floods (which are endemic in Bihar, due to the lack of proper infrastructure) and poor sanitation also help the spread of the phlebozomine sand fly and, like malnutrition, contribute to lowering the labourers’ general health, making them more susceptible to infections, including black fever.


The destruction of India’s public health care system.

The Kala-Azar epidemic has been compounded by the disease’s increasing resistance to standard antibiotics and by the privatization of India’s health care system.

India’s public health care system was always woefully inadequate. But since the Indian bourgeoisie abandoned its post-independence national economic strategy in favor of making India a magnet for foreign investment through privatization, deregulation and social spending cuts, government investment in health care has plummeted. Prior to 1991, government investment in public health care amounted to 6 percent of Gross Domestic Product (GDP). In just over a decade this figure had fallen to .9 percent, placing India among the handful of countries worldwide that spend less than 1 percent of their GDP on health care. Indeed, only four countries are deemed to spend less per capita on public health care than does India.
In sharp contrast, India ranks an impressive 18th in private health care spending (equal to 4.2 per cent of GDP). According to Ravi Duggal of the Centre for Enquiry into Health and Allied Themes (CEHAT), private health care accounts for 70 per cent of primary medical care and 40 per cent of all hospital care in India and employs 80 per cent of the country’s medical personnel.

The World Health Organisation’s “Commission on Macroeconomics and Health in India” recently reported that India’s public health sector faces a severe shortage of qualified doctors and inadequate or non-existent infrastructure. Per 10,000 persons, only 45 registered medical practitioners and 8.9 hospital beds are available.

Because of the lack of public services, even poor Indians are increasingly reliant on private health care. A survey of 100 Rajasthan villages by researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology and Princeton University found that even among poor households only 34 per cent used public health facilities. And, in the absence of adequate public health care, many are turning to amateur “doctors” and faith healers, even to treat such deadly diseases as tuberculosis (TB) and malaria.

Because of the cost of travel and the fear of losing income while they are away, the rural sick tend to seek out the moderately better health care services that are available in India’s towns and cities only when they are gravely ill. As a result, the treatments they require are far more costly. Conditions that could be easily treated, and at little expense, often prove fatal because they have reached the advance stage by the time rural Indians seek treatment.

Because half of all Kala-Azar patients now fail to respond to the conventional drug treatment for the disease, the cost of treating black fever has risen substantially, making it prohibitively expensive for the poor to seek help from private sector physicians and hospitals. The average black fever patient requires a month-long hospitalisation, with daily injections costing a total of $100 US per patient, or five times the average monthly income of a five-person family in rural Bihar. But given the state of the public health care system, using private medical services is increasingly the only option. As a result many are forced to turn to private money-lenders, who charge interest rates of up to 34 percent per annum. This is by no means a problem restricted to black fever victims. Health costs are now the single largest contributor to rural debt.


Basic human needs sacrificed to profit making

Liberalisation of the health sector has also put an end to the government’s control over the distribution and pricing of many ordinary drugs. As a result many are now out of the reach of the poor. The Indian pharmaceutical industry, meanwhile, has seen its profits soar. Drug prices have risen steadily since the previous BJP(Baratiya Janata Party)-led NDA (National Democratic Alliance) government passed legislation to comply with the WTO’s rules on intellectual property. Last year India’s 11 leading drug companies reported a phenomenal 23 percent increase in revenues.

The Indian government has identified the pharmaceutical industry, along with computer software and business processing, as key to its strategy of export-led growth. But the expansion of the India’s pharmaceutical industry holds out little hope for the victims of diseases such as black fever that primarily affect the poor.

According to public health analyst Mira Shiva, “India produces and sells drugs at the lowest prices anywhere in the world but the levels of poverty are such that less than 25 percent of India’s one billion people can afford medicine. ...
Liberalisation has only widened the gap.” In an interview with the People’s Health Movement website, Shiva elaborated further, “India is still battling vector and water-borne diseases but no pharmaceutical company is interested in producing or marketing drugs against these because of the low profit margins, while there is competition for diseases such as diabetes and heart problems, which mostly affect the affluent.”

Black fever is a curable disease. The pharmaceutical industry in India and internationally clearly has the technical prowess to develop affordable drugs to fight it. But big business has little interest in producing drugs to benefit India’s poor. They are too busy developing curable drugs and medications for the well-off in India and the advanced capitalist countries, including ‘mood elevators,’ diet pills, and drugs for baldness.In the absence of serious research by the pharmaceutical industry, the Institute for One World Health, a US non-profit organisation, is working with volunteer medical personnel in India to try to develop a new treatment for Kala-Azar. One World Health has been conducting clinical trials on a new, cheaper drug in Bihar, and hopes before the end of 2005 to receive approval from Indian government regulators to distribute it generally.

According to Dr. Shyam Sundar, who is a professor of medicine at Banares Hindu University and the person leading the One-World trials in Bihar, the new treatment, which does not require hospitalization to administer, is expected to cost $50US. While this is half the cost of the current drug and patients will potentially save money because they can remain at home while taking the drug, $50 still represents a large, if not prohibitive, sum for Bihar’s poor. Also the treatment does remove the threat of a repeat infection.

The only means to eradicate black fever as a fatal disease is to develop adequate social and medical infrastructure, as well as affordable medication.

Instead the growth of rural poverty, the plight of broad masses in the urban cities, and the destruction of the public health system is creating conditions for an expansion of the epidemic to other regions. Recently Kala-Azar has increased amongst HIV/AIDS patients. India has the second largest concentration of HIV/AIDS patients after Africa and a further spread of Kala-Azar could result in a health disaster. Nepal, which borders Bihar, is already reporting thousands of Kala-Azar victims, and this figure could swell to tens if not hundreds of thousands if urgent action is not taken.
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I believe that World Bank officials are atleast smart enough to understand if what can constitute for an official poverty line. This is the reason why this ($1/day) poverty figures does not hold any water. BTW, Could you tell me where did you get that figure of 40-70%(its a huge bracket). Here, Let me give you the link to actual figures.
Dude Indian government says india has a poverty rate of about 20-25%. Now indian government considers poverty line I think was somewhere around 600 -700 ruppees per month, which from my knowledge is about $18 a month or so (I posted a topic about this in the Economics forum a while ago, you can search for it if you want). Now $1/day figure is the actual poverty line everywhere else. You're just giving that figure not any validity because it is not used in india, but use every where else.

Population bellow income poverty line (%) $1 a day 1990-2003 - 34.7
Population bellow income poverty line (%) National Poverty line 1990-2002 - 28.6


Way below your mark of 70%. Also, the figures are for the year 2003. With over 9% growthrate, you can very well imagine where the actual figures would stand by now.
Again they're quoting the indian government. Actual figures are far more different.
 
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Again they're quoting the indian government. Actual figures are far more different.

And what is the "actual figures"?
When you say they quote "Indian gov",it is just like they quote Pakistani and Chinese government.

https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/in.html#Econ

China's poverty line of 680 yuan (US$85) per capita net income a year is too low for subsistence and fails to spread the benefits of the country's economic boom, a poverty relief official has said
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http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/poverty/178978.htm
 
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And what is the "actual figures"?
When you say they quote "Indian gov",it is just like they quote Pakistani and Chinese government.
Actual figures are the real amount of people below or at poverty level in india using the $1/day cap. Pakistan government AFAIK does use the $1/day figure to judge the poverty level.


Err.. how did China come into all of this?
 
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Actual figures are the real amount of people below or at poverty level in india using the $1/day cap. Pakistan government AFAIK does use the $1/day figure to judge the poverty level.



Err.. how did China come into all of this?


Please enlighten us with those 'actual' figures.

PS: He has shown you both $1 % as well as according to Indian Government Poverty line.
 
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Actual figures are the real amount of people below or at poverty level in india using the $1/day cap. Pakistan government AFAIK does use the $1/day figure to judge the poverty level.
Then what was the above post which has $1/day details,which you so easily dismissed.

Err.. how did China come into all of this?
Just to show that the China so conveniently does not consider $1/day calculation to show to the world it has less poverty.
Just to enlighten you.
 
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Dude Indian government says india has a poverty rate of about 20-25%.

Yes!!! And it has been globally acknowledged.

Now indian government considers poverty line I think was somewhere around 600 -700 ruppees per month, which from my knowledge is about $18 a month or so (I posted a topic about this in the Economics forum a while ago, you can search for it if you want).

Poverty line is tentative everywhere. It is defined by Calories-based aswell as Basic needs based approach. Calorie based takes into account the daily intake of 2500 calories and basic-needs approach looks for minimum expenditure needed for clothing, housing, health, education. Education/Health is freely available(though the quality is still poor). So, the criteria set is enough to meet the International standard. Government enabled Public Distribution in India enables people to purchase food at a heavily subsidized rate. So, their criteria has been accepted by World Bank.

Now $1/day figure is the actual poverty line everywhere else.

No!! It isn't. When measuring poverty at country level common method used is based on consumption level. If a person's income falls under the basic level of consumption & ammenities then he is considered poor. It is universally acknowledged now. Here is the link

Poverty Measurement

$1/day is the criteria for global poverty measurement where India stood at 34.1% according to 2002 estimates(Read my previous post).

You're just giving that figure not any validity because it is not used in india, but use every where else.

Read my post above.

Again they're quoting the indian government. Actual figures are far more different.

You seem to have missed it(if not convineantly overlooked it). Those figures are from UNDP Human Development Report & not GoI data.


Actual figures are the real amount of people below or at poverty level in india using the $1/day cap. Pakistan government AFAIK does use the $1/day figure to judge the poverty level.

Pakistan's poverty rates are calculated based on per-capita consumption & not that $1/day. Here is the link


An old article but still gives you an idea of what is base for measurement
 
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BushRoda,

A very good post. I could see that you have clearly done you background work for the post. I have repped you.What is you Education qualification.?
 
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BushRoda,

A very good post. I could see that you have clearly done you background work for the post. I have repped you.What is you Education qualification.?

Actually he had posted many of those articles and figures in another thread of this forum (only!) in past but no links to authenticate any single one of those.
You are right, I can see who got what skills.
 
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Actually he had posted many of those articles and figures in another thread of this forum (only!) in past but no links to authenticate any single one of those.
You are right, I can see who got what skills.

He has posted links, you can go check on some titles, they are links themselves. Even I had a hard time locating his links. If you press the qoute button his post, you can see the links properly in the conventional sense
 
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BushRoda,

A very good post. I could see that you have clearly done you background work for the post. I have repped you.What is you Education qualification.?

Thanx Adux,

I am a computer engineer from Harcourt Butler Technical Institute(HBTI), Kanpur(UP). Somehow in technical jargon I developed interest in numbers & hence my interest in economics.
 
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Actually he had posted many of those articles and figures in another thread of this forum (only!) in past but no links to authenticate any single one of those.
You are right, I can see who got what skills.

Show me one thread where I have posted this before.

All my highlighted text in bold includes a link. Kindly, make an effort to drag your mouse on top of text, you'll see a hand icon signifying a link. Click it & the page open for you.
 
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Ask EarthTrends: How many people live on less than $1/day?
By EarthTrends on Thursday, December 22, 2005.
One of the most frequently utilized gauges of poverty is the percent of people within a country or region that live on less than one dollar ($1) a day [a]. About 1/5 of the Earth's population, or 1.1 billion people, currently live on less than $1 a day [1]. Nine of the ten countries with the largest percent of people in this category are in Africa; Madagascar, Sierra Leone, Burundi, Gambia, Niger, Zambia, Central African Republic, Nigeria, and Mali have 49% to a staggering 73%, respectively, of their populations living in extreme poverty conditions. Between 1981 and 2001 the percent of total people in Sub-Saharan Africa living on less than $1 a day increased 93%, from 164 million to 316 million [1].

However, in absolute terms, India (by far) contains the greatest number of people who live on less than $1 a day. 380.6 million people, or just over 1/3 of India's total population, constitute this country's enormous poverty base; this total is greater than the combined populations of the United States, Canada, and Australia. China (219.5 million), Nigeria (91.4 million), Bangladesh (55.0 million), and Pakistan (21.6 million) also have more than 20 million people living on less than $1 a day .

The definition of poverty, however, can encompass many societal factors, not just economic thresholds. Poverty measures can include other, very tangible and quantifiable variables such as life expectancy and literacy, to more qualitative variables such as human rights, psychological suffering, and insecurity [1]. The first of the United Nations Millennium Development Goals is to eradicate extreme poverty and hunger by the year 2015. This includes reducing by half the proportion of people living on less than $1 a day.

a. Data for Poverty: Population living below $1/day are derived from surveys prepared by the World Bank’s Development Research Group and conducted between 1985 and 2002. The commonly used $1 a day standard is measured in 1985 international prices and adjusted to local currency using purchasing power parity (PPP) rates. PPP exchange rates, such as those from the Penn World Tables or the World Bank, are used because they take into account the local prices and goods and services not traded internationally.

b. Population data used in calculating totals are 2005 population estimates from the following source: Population Division of the Department of Economic and Social Affairs of the United Nations Secretariat, 2003. World Population Prospects: The 2002 Revision. New York: United Nations.



Selected relevant content available on EarthTrends and at WRI:


WRI Publications and Websites:
[1] United Nations Development Programme, United Nations Environment Programme, The World Bank, World Resources Institute. 2005. World Resources 2005: The Wealth of the Poor: Managing Ecosystems to Fight Poverty. WRI: Washington, D.C.

earthtrends.wri.org/updates/node/6-21k
 
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