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All the applications of this unwritten "Doctrine of Necessity" (not a law) were illegal, and remain so. The SC cannot violate the Constitution itself, and any attempt to do so will remain illegal.

Its not illegal. a layman may say so, but its called a situation for which the existing law doesnt give any solution, the SC is by default is empowered to take a step under article 184.
 
Its not illegal. a layman may say so, but its called a situation for which the existing law doesnt give any solution, the SC is by default is empowered to take a step under article 184.

This is Article 184:


184 Original Jurisdiction of Supreme Court.
(1) The Supreme Court shall, to the exclusion of every other court, have original jurisdiction in any dispute between any two or more Governments.
Explanation.- In this clause, "Governments" means the Federal Government and the Provincial Governments.
(2) In the exercise of the jurisdiction conferred on it by clause (1), the Supreme Court shall pronounce declaratory judgments only.
(3) Without prejudice to the provisions of Article 199, the Supreme Court shall, if it considers that a question of public importance with reference to the enforcement of any of the Fundamental Rights conferred by Chapter I of Part II is involved have the power to make an order of the nature mentioned in the said Article.

How do you propose that this can be used to violate Article 225?
 
How do you propose that this can be used to violate Article 225?
LOL. You have huge democratic problems with SC violating Article 225, but haven't got a clue about how SC, EC, CJ completely ignored Article 62, 63 of the constitution of Pakistan! In that its clearly said that no loan defaulter, corrupt criminal with cases pending in courts shall be allowed to contest in elections. Yet people like Nawaz, Zardari and other criminals and heads of parties were allowed to contest in 2013 elections. Wasn't it a clear VIOLATION of constitution, you stupid American?
 
This is Article 184:


184 Original Jurisdiction of Supreme Court.
(1) The Supreme Court shall, to the exclusion of every other court, have original jurisdiction in any dispute between any two or more Governments.
Explanation.- In this clause, "Governments" means the Federal Government and the Provincial Governments.
(2) In the exercise of the jurisdiction conferred on it by clause (1), the Supreme Court shall pronounce declaratory judgments only.
(3) Without prejudice to the provisions of Article 199, the Supreme Court shall, if it considers that a question of public importance with reference to the enforcement of any of the Fundamental Rights conferred by Chapter I of Part II is involved have the power to make an order of the nature mentioned in the said Article.

How do you propose that this can be used to violate Article 225?

I never said violate, and it doesnot violate something which is not build to address an issue which it is called for. free and fair election is pillar of democracy and a right ensured by the constitution, and hence SC have this original jurisdiction to address and offer remedy.. article 225 doesnot even apply, as it only talks about disputes of any nature for the tribunal to address for the particular constitunecy , not the Question of the whole Election itself,which is being asked to probe here.
 
I never said violate, and it doesnot violate something which is not build to address an issue which it is called for. free and fair election is pillar of democracy and a right ensured by the constitution, and hence SC have this original jurisdiction to address and offer remedy.. article 225 doesnot even apply, as it only talks about disputes of any nature, not the Question of the whole Election itself,which is being asked to probe here.

Any remedy offered by the SC cannot violate the Constitution, Sir, including Article 225, which clearly states what to do in case of any Election Dispute. ANY.
 
Any remedy offered by the SC cannot violate the Constitution, Sir, including Article 225, which clearly states what to do in case of any Election Dispute. ANY.

Its not violating. you would be fool to believe that you could complain in a tribunal "I want probe for the whole election in a tribunal, probably a lower court judge" which was designed to address the remedy for the particular constituncy..

the SC is the body which can address the Question of free and fair election which is corner stone of the constittion. and any petitioner asking to probe is justified to knock the door of the SC for justice. 225 simply doesnot apply here
 
Its not violating. you would be fool to believe that you could complain in a tribunal "I want probe for the whole election in a tribunal, probably a lower court judge" which was designed to address the remedy for the particular constituncy..

the SC is the body which can address the Question of free and fair election which is corner stone of the constittion. and any petitioner asking to probe is justified to knock the door of the SC for justice. 225 simply doesnot apply here

Article 225 applies to ALL Election Disputes, but we can see what the SC does in this case. There is no rush.
 
Article 225 applies to ALL Election Disputes, but we can see what the SC does in this case. There is no rush.

No article 225 is for any dispute that can be addressed by a tribunal, Question of free and fair election is for SC to decide if a petition is made or suo motu is taken.
 
No article 225 is for any dispute that can be addressed by a tribunal, Question of free and fair election is for SC to decide if a petition is made or suo motu is taken.

Like I said before, we can wait to see what the SC does in this case.
 
Article 225 applies to ALL Election Disputes, but we can see what the SC does in this case. There is no rush.


Oh bhai sahib

there is a lot of Rush.

IK is getting old, he needs to marry third forth and fifth time.

He said it while standing on container

So there is a rush. Huge Rush.



coming back to the topic. We should have elections in 2015.

then do the investigation in 2016

then hold elections in 2017,


then do the investigation in 2016

then hold elections in 2017,,

then do the investigation in 2018

then hold elections in 2018,,

then do the investigation in 2019

then hold elections in 2020,,




Oh and we should change the name of our beautiful country to

...


...


drum roll please




"Election-istan. "
or better

"Intikhab-istan. "

or worse
"Sh. Rasheed-istan. "






...............



................................
 
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Oh bhai sahib

there is a lot of Rush.

IK is getting old, he needs to marry third forth and fifth time.

He said it while standing on container

So there is a rush. Huge Rush.

Sure, let us make haste and then repent in leisure, as many times before. "What goes of my father?" :D
 
Like I said before, we can wait to see what the SC does in this case.

What SC decides if there is a petition, its upto it. but clearly 225 establishes a rule for tribunals and not for the general obvious free and fair election question.
 
It so transpires to my mind that certain points worthy of mention in this thread have been quite candidly overlooked.

By way of example, the question posed to the forum seeking an explanation for Nawaz's failure to initiate a probe through the auspices of the Supreme Court into the rigging allegations can be simply answered by alluding to the possibility that any such probe initiated by N, without the blessing of the PTI, would be rejected as invalid by IK and, therefore, be an exercise of absolute futility.

Furthermore let us also not forget that the appointment of a judicial commission comprising impartial judicial nominees of both the parties to investigate the allegations propagated by the Khan was the brainchild of the opposition parties and the PML-N as a resolution to the dharnas but this arrangement was outright rejected by IK and his band of wayward teenagers for the sole reason that any negotiation seeking an end to Khan's grievances would not be held under any circumstances lest Nawaz Sharif tendered his resignation.

In short, the reason no such judicial commission was appointed was largely because of Khan's own failing.

Also as @Syed.Ali.Haider has quite correctly pointed out on numerous occasions over the course of the last 4 pages, Article 225 operates to prevent the Supreme Court from exercising powers which the Parliament has reserved for itself or a body of its own choosing, and seeing as the Parliament is empowered by the doctrine of legislative supremacy to either vest delegated law-making authority to any institution of the State, or restrict the operational and administrative ambit of not only itself but of all institutions conceived by the Constitution of 1973 both civil, judicial and martial - the inviolability of Article 225 is sacrosanct.

Allow me to further clarify this position by iterating that the purpose of the judiciary is not to create or question the legislation, but to decide questions of disputed fact in light of that legislation and, where the legislation is ambiguous and the context so permits, to interpret that legislation into meaningful law and lay down stare decisis.

Despite the foregoing, however, there is a legal way to seek to call into question the result of the 2013 election and that mechanism is enshrined in the the Representation of the People Act, 1976 section 70 of which states:

The Tribunal shall declare the election as a whole to be void if it is satisfied that the result of the election has been materially affected by reason of:

(a) the failure of any person to comply with the provisions of the Act or the rules; or
(b) the prevalence of extensive corrupt or illegal practice at the election.

As is evident from the above, the domain for calling into question the result of the election does not lie with the Supreme Court but rather the Election Tribunal, a forum chosen by the Parliament by virtue of its Act of 1976, a forum which Khan refuses to both recognize or respect, therefore his dilemma. If anybody here thinks that IK can plead the ineptitude of the Election Tribunal as the reason for any petition before the Supreme Court seeking the exercise of powers which the Parliament has reserved for the Tribunal, they have another thing coming their way.

Finally, it may also come to pass that the Tribunal itself when posed with the task of exercising its authority under section 70 decide that the petition has come too late and is barred by the limitation of time, that would be something now wouldn't it?
 
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What SC decides if there is a petition, its upto it. but clearly 225 establishes a rule for tribunals and not for the general obvious free and fair election question.

That is only your hope Sir, and one on wishfully tenuous grounds legally.
 
That is only your hope Sir, and one on wishfully tenuous grounds legally.

cry me a river, but 225 clearly doesnot apply, a law made for tribunal cannot take away power of the SC under 184 which can be envoked for a Question of Free and Fair Election, guaranteed under the constitution.

for Justice you go to appropriate court, not to parliament, and precisely when the parliament itself is in question. basic concept of impartial and fair law.
 
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