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HI Sutton is a trusted source when it comes to naval matters. It was his article that highlighted the submarine originally based off the satellite images. (https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...ce-with-pakistani-navy-seals/?sh=6cf3d3613ba2)
But this submarine was listed in the ministry of defense production yearbooks, which means it was definitely constructed and inducted. According to the yearbook the design and manufacturing was both done locally. I suppose that based on the PN and SSG(N)s needs, more will be inducted as well, however we don’t know about it’s capabilities.
The other midget submarines PN operates are the MG110 “Cosmos” class submarines, these are Italian origin, 110 ton submarines. PN has three of them, they are pretty old but PN has modernized them, I remember a modernization project for them back in the 2000s.
Mystery Submarine In Service With Pakistan’s Navy SEALs
By H I Sutton Former Contributor
Aerospace & Defense

Some of the best-kept secrets are hidden in plain sight. Sitting on the quayside at PNS Iqbal, a special naval base in Karachi, Pakistan, is a submarine that you won’t find in any reference books, including my own World Submarines Covert Shores Recognition Guide. To my knowledge this will be the first article detailing this submarine, which appears to be in service with Pakistani Navy SEALs.

New Pakistan Navy Midget Submarine

Artist’s impression of the new Pakistan Navy[+]
H I SUTTON

The submarine is a small special forces type, measuring around 55 feet long by 7 to 8 feet across. That is a fraction of the size of a regular submarine. Its location and size both point to use by the Pakistani Navy’s Special Service Group, known as SSG (N). They are equivalent to the U.S. Navy SEALs and use the ‘SEAL’ terminology. They have a long tradition of training with the American unit.

This category of submarine is called an X-Craft in Pakistani Navy parlance. The term was inherited from the Italian manufacturer Cos.Mo.S (commonly written Cosmos) who sold Pakistan two sets of midget submarines in the past. The Italian firm itself borrowed the term from the Royal Navy midget submarines of World War II. The American equivalent to the X-Craft is the Dry Combat Submersible (DCS) now entering service with the U.S. Navy SEALs.

It may be intended to replace the Pakistani Navy’s existing X-Craft. Pakistan operates three MG-110 X-Craft which were built locally between 1993 and 1996. They are getting long in the tooth and are due for replacement. But the Italian firm which designed them, Cos.Mo.S was closed down twenty years ago. Today its designs are continued by respected Italian manufacturer Drass. They offer a series of modern X-Craft that may be ideal for Pakistan.

But this mystery submarine does not appear to be a Drass design. The smallest publicly revealed Drass design is the DG-85, which is slightly larger than the boat seen in Pakistan.

One clue is that the boat first appeared in 2016. This may tie to a statement in the Pakistani Defence Production Division (MoDP) 2015-16 yearbook. It listed the “Indigenous design and construction of 01 Midget Submarine” as a target for 2016-2017.

Since then there have been reports that Turkish firm STM (Savunma Teknolojileri Mühendislik ve Ticaret A.Ş.) was jointly developing a mini-submarine with Pakistan. This could indicate that the mystery craft was not successful and so a new design is being developed. Another possibility is that the Turkish partnership will focus on smaller ‘chariots.’ These are similar to the U.S. Navy’s SDVs (SEAL delivery vehicles). In the Pakistani Navy the Chariots can be carried by the larger X-Craft.

Analysis of commercial satellite imagery shows that the boat rarely (if ever) goes in the water. The only clear image showing it in the water is from 2016. The operational status is therefore unclear. The tent that covers it is often moved, however, suggesting ongoing maintenance. So the sub cannot be written off, but what it’s called and what exactly it does remains a mystery.

Source: https://www.forbes.com/sites/hisutt...ine-in-service-with-pakistani-navy-seals/amp/
 
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Pakistan eyeing shallow-water warfare capability with mini attack submarines from Turkey​


 
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latest news is that PN is looking into a shallow water submarine

possibly for insertion of special forces like SSGN

to be honest the SSGN would love to get their hands on a submarine and they deserve it too
 
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latest news is that PN is looking into a shallow water submarine

possibly for insertion of special forces like SSGN

to be honest the SSGN would love to get their hands on a submarine and they deserve it too
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My bet is between these two.
 
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latest news is that PN is looking into a shallow water submarine

possibly for insertion of special forces like SSGN

to be honest the SSGN would love to get their hands on a submarine and they deserve it too
Hardly 'latest' , but thanks for telling us (again). :P
 
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STM 500 subs are very reliable

Pak navy is inducting these ulin future
 
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STM to display defense products at LAAD 2023​


ByUmair Aslam
April 10, 2023

STM, one of the leading defense companies in Türkiye, will exhibit its cutting-edge projects and solutions at Laad Defence & Security 2023.

As a key player in the defense sector, STM is committed to providing innovative solutions to meet the evolving needs of the Turkish Armed Forces and international customers.

The 13th edition of LAAD, the leading Latin American defense and security exhibition, will be held in Riocentro, Rio de Janeiro between 11-14 April 2023.

At LAAD, STM will display STM 500, a small-sized submarine designed by STM engineers with national capabilities. Along with STM 500, STM will also display the I-Class Frigate and the Multi-Purpose Attack Craft MPAC.

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In addition to naval projects, Combat Proven Rotary Wing Loitering Munition System KARGU, Fixed Wing Loitering Munition System ALPAGU, Multi-Rotor UAS for Tactical Surveillance and Reconnaissance TOGAN will also be displayed on the STM stand.
Hall 4, Stand P50.
 
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If Pakistan can procure or domestically produce enough mini-subs, which can dive deeper then regular subs and stay submerged for at least 4 weeks with decent enough speed, can they form the basis for a modest second strike capability using the Babur-3 missiles?

In a bastion model, where the coast lien is heavily defended and the coastal waters heavily patrolled, finding one of the mini-subs let alone all of them would be a time consuming matter the Indians could it ensure.

If a small nuclear powered version could be built like the NR-1 (which could dive to 3000 feet) could have a couple of missile tubes strapped to the side, able to float to the top to launch if need be, it would be a cost effective but formidable threat to any would be attacker.

Or a design that can dive as deep as the NR-1 but can house 4-6 Babur missiles like the Soviet Piranha subs, almost like mini OSCAR class SSGNs. Coming up from the depths to launch if given the order.


ultimately something like the follow design, but obviously refined for modern considerations of lower signatures and therefore more streamlined and compact.
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