PM Nawaz urges Ban Ki-moon for plebiscite in Kashmir

[Mythal]

Please tell your leadership to stop laying claims on Pakistan side of Kashmir then, you lay claims yet you avoid the issue. Make things clear, India has agreed to UN resolutions, best thing would be to let the locals decide. It should be India engaging Pakistan for talks, not the other way around. The frustration on Indian side is quite amusing.

"Please tell your leadership to stop laying claims on Pakistan side of Kashmir then, you lay claims yet you avoid the issue."
Apart from political leaders trolling, I am pretty sure the Indian stance on Kashmir issue is that they want to turn LOC into International border.
"Make things clear, India has agreed to UN resolutions, best thing would be to let the locals decide."
When did India decide? About what? Do you mean resolution 47? Don't you think it was superseded by agreements that took place after that, like the Simla agreement. Even if the original resolution 47 stands, it has a prerequisite.
"It should be India engaging Pakistan for talks, not the other way around."
But why? we dont want anything from Pakistan.
"The frustration on Indian side is quite amusing."
ok.

 

[WAJsal]

Apart from political leaders trolling, I am pretty sure the Indian stance on Kashmir issue is that they want to turn LOC into International border.

BJP government laid claims on Pakistan side of Kashmir(quite recently), why the official stance is different and behind the scenes you avoid talking about the issue?

When did India decide? About what? Do you mean resolution 47? Don't you think it was superseded by agreements that took place after that, like the Simla agreement. Even if the original resolution 47 stands, it has a prerequisite.

Was talking about agreeing to that resolution.
Let's be honest here India is scared of a referendum, understandable and it wants to avoid it. It should then change it's official stance too. But from my POV, both Pakistan and India should let the locals decide, now we agree to this, India should too.

 

[Hussain Farooqui]

a referendum should take place in jammu and Kashmir with the help of UN.

This is exactly what Bharatis are scared of.

 

[Maarkhoor]

BJP government laid claims on Pakistan side of Kashmir(quite recently), why the official stance is different and behind the scenes you avoid talking about the issue?

Was talking about agreeing to that resolution.
Let's be honest here India is scared of a referendum, understandable and it wants to avoid it. It should then change it's official stance too. But from my POV, both Pakistan and India should let the locals decide, now we agree to this, India should too.

Dear Bro India will not agree on any solution on Kashmir reason is that there are more then 25 different separatists movements in India and they fear if they agree on Kashmir for some sort of agreement this will give fuel to the other groups and India will be torn in to micro nations this is the big fear in Indian political and military leader ship.

Separatist movements of India
Secession in India typically refers to state secession, which is the withdrawal of one or more states from the Union of India. Some have argued for secession as a natural right of revolution. Some state movements seek secession from India itself and the formation of a new nation from one or more states.

The most high profile separatist actions have been in Kashmir. The Khalistan movement in Punjab was active in the 1980s and the 1990s. Smaller-scale insurgency has occurred in North-East India, in the states of Tripura, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Manipur, Assam and Nagaland. The more important issue with these states however is territorial dispute with neighbours such as Pakistan and the PRC, rather than independence from the India.

India has introduced several Armed Forces Special Powers Acts (AFSPA) to put down separatist movements in certain parts of the country. The law was first enforced in Manipur and later enforced in other insurgency-ridden north-eastern states. It was extended to most parts of Indian-occupied Kashmir in 1990 after the outbreak of armed insurgency in 1989. Each Act gives soldiers immunity in specified regions against prosecution unless the Indian government gives prior sanction for such prosecution. The government maintains that the AFSPA is necessary to restore normalcy in regions like Kashmir and Manipur.[1]
Kashmir[edit]
Main article: Insurgency in Jammu and Kashmir
The insurgency in Kashmir, the most notable one, has existed in various forms. Thousands of lives have been lost since 1989 due to the intensification of both the insurgency and the fight against it. A widespread armed insurgency started in Kashmir with the disputed 1987 election with some elements from the State's assembly forming militant wings which acted as a catalyst for the emergence of armed insurgency in the region.[2][3]

The Inter-Services Intelligence of Pakistan has been accused by India of supporting and training mujahideen.[4][5] to fight inJammu and Kashmir.[6][7] According to official figures released in Jammu and Kashmir assembly, there were 3,400disappearance cases and the conflict has left more than 47,000 people dead as of July 2009. However, the number of insurgency-related deaths in the state have fallen sharply since the start of a slow-moving peace process between India and Pakistan.[8]

However, despite boycott calls by separatist leaders, 2014 Jammu and Kashmir Assembly elections saw highest voters turnout in last 25 years since insurgency has erupted. It recorded more than 65% of voters turnout which was more than usual voters turnout in other state assembly elections of India. It considered as increase in faith of Kashmiri people in democratic process of India.[9][10][11]
Khalistan[edit]
Main article: Khalistan movement

Flag used by the UNPO to represent from 24th January 1993 to 4th August 1993; the membership was permanently suspended on 22 January 1995.
The Khalistan movement aims to create a separate Sikh country. The territorial definition of the proposed country ranges from the Punjab state of India to the greater Punjab region, including the Indian Punjab, Haryana, Himachal Pradesh and Northern Districts of Rajasthan such as Sri Ganganager and Hanumangarh.[12][13][14]The movement was mainly active in the Punjab state of India from the 1970s to the early 1990s.

After the partition of India, the majority of the Sikhs migrated from the Pakistani part to the Indian province of Punjab, which then included the parts of the present-dayHaryana and Himachal Pradesh. Following India's independence in 1947, ThePunjabi Suba Movement led by the Sikh political party Akali Dal led to the trifurcation of the Punjab state. The remnant Punjab state became Sikh-majority and Punjabi-majority. Subsequently, a section of the Sikh leaders started demanding more autonomy for the states, alleging that the Central government was discriminating against Punjab. Although the Akali Dal explicitly opposed the demand for an independent Sikh country, the issues raised by it were used as a premise for the creation of a separate country by the proponents of Khalistan.

In June 1984, the Indian Government ordered a military operation, Operation Blue Star, on Harmandir Sahib, Amritsar and thirty other Gurdwaras (Sikh Place of Worship). The attack was done under the pretext of freeing Gurdwaras from Sikh Militants. The Indian Army used 10,000 armed troops of the 9th Division of the National Security Guards, 175 Parachute Regiment and artillery units, and 700 CRPF Jawans. During this operation, Indian army had 136 casualties and the Sikh militants had 140-220 killed. The CBI is considered responsible for seizing historical artifacts from Sikh Reference Library, before burning them down. The handling of the operation, damage to the Holy shrine and loss of life on both sides, led to widespread criticism of the Indian Government. The Indian government did this under complete media blockage. However, the eyewitness accounts of survirors revealed the real picture to public. This lead of widespread distrust and anger against Indian government and primarily the Indian Prime minister who was responsible for this attack. The Indian Prime MinisterIndira Gandhi was assassinated by her two Sikh bodyguards in retaliation. Following her death, thousands of Sikhs were massacred in the 1984 anti-Sikh riots, termed as a genocide by the Sikh groups.[15] The subsequent Punjab insurgency saw several secessionist militant groups becoming active in Punjab, supported by a section of the Sikh diaspora. Indian security forces suppressed the insurgency in the early 1990s, but Sikh political groups such as the Khalsa Raj Party and SAD (A)continued to pursue an independent Khalistan through non-violent means.[16][17][18] Pro-Khalistan organizations such as Dal Khalsa (International) are also active outside India, supported by a section of the Sikh diaspora. Now this movement is not an ongoing one hence it should not be considered as an active separatist movement [19][not in citation given]

North East India[edit]
Further information: Insurgency in Northeast India
Assam[edit]
Main article: Assam separatist movements
The militant organization United Liberation Front of Asom demands a separate country for the Assamese people. The Government of India had banned the ULFA in 1990 and has officially labelled it as a terrorist group, whereas the US State Department lists it under "Other groups of concern".[20] Military operations against it by the Indian Army that began in 1990 continues until present. In the past two decades some 10,000 people have died in the clash between the rebels and the government.[21] The Assamese secessionists have protested against the illegal migration from the neighbouring regions. Since the mid-20th century, people from present-day Bangladesh (then known as East Pakistan) have been migrating toAssam. In 1961, the Government of Assam passed a legislation making use of Assamese language compulsory; It had to be withdrawn later under pressure from Bengali speaking people in Cachar. In the 1980s the Brahmaputra valley saw a six-yearAssam agitation [22] triggered by the discovery of a sudden rise in registered voters on electoral rolls.

The Muslim United Liberation Tigers of Assam (MULTA), established in 1996, advocates a separate country for the Muslims of the region.[23] The United People's Democratic Solidarity (UPDS) demands a sovereign nation for the Karbi people. It was formed in March 1999 with the merger of two militant outfits in Assam's Karbi Anglong district, the Karbi National Volunteers (KNV) and Karbi People’s Front (KPF).[24] The United People's Democratic Solidarity signed a cease-fire agreement for one year with the Union Government on 23 May 2002. However, this led to a split in the UPDS with one faction deciding to continue with its subversive activities while the other commenced negotiations with the Government.[citation needed]

Nagalim[edit]
See also: Naga nationalism
The Nagalim is a proposed independent country for the Naga people. In the 1950s, the Naga National Council led a violent unsuccessful insurgency against the Government of India, demanding a separate country for the Nagas. The secessionist violence decreased considerably after the formation of the Naga-majority Nagaland state, and more militants surrendered after the Shillong Accord of 1975. However, a section of Nagas, operating under the various factions of National Socialist Council of Nagaland, continue to demand a separate country which lack people's support.

2014 General Elections of India recorded voters turnout of more than 87% in Nagaland which was highest in India.[25] Also the Nationalist Socialist Council of Nagaland(K) finally signed a peace accord with the Government of India on 3 August 2015, thus agreed to negotiations with the Government.[26][27]

Tripura[edit]
The National Liberation Front of Tripura (or NLFT) is a Tripuri nationalist organization which seeks for Tripura to secede from India and establish an independent Tripuri state. It has actively participated in the Tripura Rebellion. The NLFT manifesto says that they want to expand what they describe as the Kingdom of God and Christ in Tripura. The Tripura National Volunteers (also known as the Tribal National Volunteers or Tripura National Volunteer Force) was founded in 1978 with assistance from the Mizo National Front.[28]

However, separatist movement lacked people's support as 2014 General elections in India recorded more than 84% voters turnout in Tripura which was one of highest in India.[25]
Separatist movements of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mythal]

BJP government laid claims on Pakistan side of Kashmir(quite recently), why the official stance is different and behind the scenes you avoid talking about the issue?

Correct me if I am wrong but the statement was in response to Pak's army chief warning that Kashmir is an unfinished agenda and the Indian minister replied that the only unfinished agenda is p-o-k. I do not think anyone would see this reply as an official stance, but trolling as I already said.

Was talking about agreeing to that resolution.
Let's be honest here India is scared of a referendum, understandable and it wants to avoid it. It should then change it's official stance too. But from my POV, both Pakistan and India should let the locals decide, now we agree to this, India should too.

Read resolution 47 before making claims, because it clearly says that Pakistan needs to withdraw its troops from all parts of Kashmir and only after India has control over the entire Kashmir, then the referendum can be held.

 

[Mr.Nair]

Just very recent events:-

When India meet CEO's in US and improve investment and infrastructure, but in pakistan-Kashmir
When india sending astrosat and other nation satellites into orbit, but in pakistan-Kashmir

I don't know when will pakistan look its internal problems and improve life of people, instead ranting same story again and again for no use.

@Muhammad Omar

 

[karan.1970]

a referendum should take place in jammu and Kashmir with the help of UN.

Someone should gift me a Ferrari too, while the wishful thinking season is open

 

[Mr.Nair]

Earlier, India-born Google CEO Sundar Pichai said the seach engine giant will provide high speed internet services at 100 railway stations in India initially and then expand it by 400 more by next year.

This will be Google's biggest WiFi project.

 

[WAJsal]

Correct me if I am wrong but the statement was in response to Pak's army chief warning that Kashmir is an unfinished agenda and the Indian minister replied that the only unfinished agenda is p-o-k. I do not think anyone would see this reply as an official stance, but trolling as I already said.

Referring to the one's made by your PM during elections being held in GB. Please do a google search for more information. Plus the one's that you are referring to are very recent, and to reply how is your genius minister going to resolve this issue by ignoring the issue itself, quite a genius statement. I agree trolling, trolling everywhere, even on state level.

Read resolution 47 before making claims, because it clearly says that Pakistan needs to withdraw its troops from all parts of Kashmir and only after India has control over the entire Kashmir, then the referendum can be held.

First there has to be a formal understanding between the two governments. Which can only be reached through talks(which India avoids)...Don't expect us to take the necessary steps without a formal agreement. Makes no sense.

clearly says that Pakistan needs to withdraw its troops from all parts of Kashmir and only after India has control over the entire Kashmir, then the referendum can be held.

So does India, just need to keep enough to control law and order. second part, please enlighten me.
UN Resolutions - Kashmir

 

[Mythal]

Referring to the one's made by your PM during elections being held in GB. Please do a google search for more information. Plus the one's that you are referring to are very recent, and to reply how is your genius minister going to resolve this issue by ignoring the issue itself, quite a genius statement. I agree trolling, trolling everywhere, even on state level.

Did research about the statement. It came from MEA spokesperson, not the PM directly. I would still insist it was more trolling than official stand, "you mess when we hold elections, we will do the same". Immature, but nothing to really bother about.

First there has to be a formal understanding between the two governments. Which can only be reached through talks(which India avoids)...Don't expect us to take the necessary steps without a formal agreement. Makes no sense.

Well frankly, it is very hard to reach to a formal agreement with Pakistan, with each government/dictator refusing to accept any progress made by their predecessor. Case in point, we are still talking about UN resolution even though many other agreements have superseded it. And also India is interested in status quo so there is no point in having talks with people who cannot accept that as it will hurt their ego and definitely make them lose any power that they may hold.

So does India, just need to keep enough to control law and order. second part, please enlighten me.
UN Resolutions - Kashmir

About India having control over entire Kashmir? Well when Pakistan withdraws all troops, and India has to have minimum troops required to maintain peace then I am guessing the Indian troops would be responsible for maintaining peace and order in the entirety of Kashmir. Right?

 

[WAJsal]

Did research about the statement. It came from MEA spokesperson, not the PM directly. I would still insist it was more trolling than official stand, "you mess when we hold elections, we will do the same". Immature, but nothing to really bother about.

Illegal elections, Indian territory. do a little more research, i don't know, was a official statement though, by the Indian government.

Well frankly, it is very hard to reach to a formal agreement with Pakistan, with each government/dictator refusing to accept any progress made by their predecessor. Case in point, we are still talking about UN resolution even though many other agreements have superseded it. And also India is interested in status quo so there is no point in having talks with people who cannot accept that as it will hurt their ego and definitely make them lose any power that they may hold.

And you stated that Pakistan has to these first, Pakistan can only do this if India reaches an argument. How can ignoring talks help, right? We cannot be blamed for it's failures.

About India having control over entire Kashmir? Well when Pakistan withdraws all troops, and India has to have minimum troops required to maintain peace then I am guessing the Indian troops would be responsible for maintaining peace and order in the entirety of Kashmir. Right?

Inncorrect. Enough troops in it's part only, local forces or UN forces will be enough to keep law and order, or move on with the referendum proceedings. (By local forces, referring to GB scouts and other forces, which are local forces)

 

[Mythal]

Illegal elections, Indian territory. do a little more research, i don't know, was a official statement though, by the Indian government.

Yes a trolling official statement. If India had some actual issues India would have done more than just releasing a statement.

And you stated that Pakistan has to these first, Pakistan can only do this if India reaches an argument. How can ignoring talks help, right? We cannot be blamed for it's failures.

When did I ever say take first steps in reaching an agreement. Many agreements were reached or close to be reached but none of them are followed, in the end people keep on insisting on the UN resolution which is very impractical.

Inncorrect. Enough troops in it's part only, local forces or UN forces will be enough to keep law and order, or move on with the referendum proceedings. (By local forces, referring to GB scouts and other forces, which are local forces)

I dont think the UN resolution mentions this anywhere, UN resolution needs to be very unequivocal about such stuff.

 

[guyhandz]

.................and what did Ban Ki-Moon say.......................

"Tonight watch super full Moon!"

 

[Ind4Ever]

.................and what did Ban Ki-Moon say.......................

go to mmoon

a referendum should take place in jammu and Kashmir with the help of UN.

not only in j&k all over pakistan .As if you don't recognise J&K then why we should recognise Pakistan ?

 

[WAJsal]

When did I ever say take first steps in reaching an agreement

You stated Pakistan should take the first step.

Read resolution 47 before making claims, because it clearly says that Pakistan needs to withdraw its troops from all parts of Kashmir and only after India has control over the entire Kashmir, then the referendum can be held.

I dont think the UN resolution mentions this anywhere, UN resolution needs to be very unequivocal about such stuff.

It neither states that India has to take control of these territories. I agree. Ciao.