PM invites Prachanda to India

[dr.umer]

Is there free lunch for Nepal PM in New Delhi?​

The panic stricken Indian regime with the fear that Nepal under the Maoists may completely fall into the fold of the Chinese establishment is preparing to greet Nepal’s first guerilla head turned executive prime minister Pushpa Kamal Dahal in an unprecedented manner.

A shocked New Delhi establishment after Prime Minister Dahal chose Beijing over Delhi for his first maiden trip abroad as the New Nepal PM, will nevertheless, throw red carpet welcome to the Prime Minister of Nepal when the latter visits New Delhi hoping that such a “grand” welcome might “melt” the Radical Communist Nepal PM to become once again “loyal and subservient” to the New Delhi regime.

No less is terribly shaken PM Dahal with the annoyance exhibited by the Indian establishment of late concluding that his (Dahal’s) excessive hobnob with China may bring in disasters for his newly formed government in Nepal.

PM Dahal has already felt the “heat” of the India’s South Block which provided him with the needed shelter in NOIDA, Delhi to pounce upon the erstwhile Royal regime.

Thus the popular Indian saying goes “Dono taraf Aag Hai Lagi”

“The tentative visit schedule has been agreed for second week of September as both the Indian PM and his Nepali counterpart will go to New York to attend the UN general assembly on the third week of September”, said Nepal’s Ambassador to India Dr. Durgesh Man Singh talking to a Nepali media.

India’s proxy Prime Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh will receive Nepal’s executive Prime Minister at the Indira Gandhi International Airport. Meeting other high ranking leaders apart, Nepal’s PM will be exceptionally greeted by Mrs. Sonia Manio Gandhi-the Italy born India’s ruler, who will presumably provide instructions to Nepal PM to act as per the diktats of the Indian establishment.

It is also expected that India will shower words of praise for Nepal’s Prime Minister in a manner similar to what Dr. Manmohan Singh had called of Nepal’s India born ex-Prime Minister Girija Prasad Koirala –“the South Asian Statesman”.

Nepal’s ex-Prime Minister Koirala nevertheless, made it sure that during his tenure as the prime minister of Nepal, he should continue paying for the Indian magnanimity at the cost of the nation.

No wonder the word Statesman cost Nepal the handing over of Arun-III and Upper Karnali Hydro Power Projects almost free of cost to India.

Analysts presume that this time Nepal’s Prime Minister Dahal may provide the rest of the Nepal’s Mighty Rivers to the Indian establishment as a souvenir to India for having elevated the guerilla leader as Nepal’s Prime Minister.

Not for nothing New Delhi mandarins and the self proclaimed Nepal experts of the likes of the defunct Inder Kumar Gujral and his ilk have been favoring revision of Nepal’s past unequal treaties with Indian only to incorporate provisions that ensures Nepal becoming Indian Protectorate a la Bhutan.

Nepal’s Prime Minister must understand that he can in no way come out from the clutches of the South Block as the Indian authorities posses several cards under their sleeves to twist his arms if they so desire. And they definitely desire.

After all, analysts say, there is no free lunch in diplomacy. In what form PM Dahal pays the Indian establishment for all what they offered him while fighting with the erstwhile Royal regime will have to be carefully watched.

Nepal PM is already in the Indian trap. He can’t escape for free.

2008-08-31 09:36:52

 

[gpit]

False.

Sugauli Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sugauli Treaty (also spelled Segowlee and Segqulee) was signed on December 2, 1815 and ratified by March 4, 1816, between the British East India Company and Nepal, which was a kingdom during that era. This ended the second British invasion of the Himalayan kingdom during the Anglo-Nepalese War (1814-1816). The signatory for Nepal was Raj Guru Gajaraj Mishra aided by Chandra Sekher Upadhyaya and the signatory for the Company was Lieutenant-Colonel Paris Bradshaw. The treaty called for territorial concessions on the part of Nepal, the establishment of a British representative in Kathmandu, and allowed Britain to recruit Gurkhas for military service. Nepal also lost the right to deploy any American or European employee in its service (earlier several French commanders had been deployed to train the Nepali army).

Under the treaty, about one-third of Nepalese territory was lost, including Sikkim (whose Chogyals supported Britain in the Anglo-Nepalese War);

...

Firstly, link please.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/188294-post27.html

"Incidentally, in late 1980s, the construction of Kathmandu-Lasha road had enraged India so much that it had closed all the Indo-Nepal border check-posts completely halting the supply of imported goods and commodities including fuel oil."

Where are the human rights that some are touting from day to night?

Secondly, what would you do if we open a consulate in Taiwan?

I'd love to see if GoI would ever have that kind of guts! Seriously.

On your side, I suggest you exercise your democratic rights and lobby your Parliament starting immediately. And please kindly let us know your result. Best luck to you on this.

Tell that to the CCP.

You are over praising CCP, They don't have the capability to control the laws governing international relationship.

 

[gpit]

Indo-Nepal Sugauli Treaty goes ‘missing’ Indo-Nepal Sugauli Treaty goes ‘missing’ The Himalayan Beacon

Posted by barunroy on June 20, 2008

Kathmandu: A major treaty signed between the governments of India and Nepal is not to be found in either the national archives or the royal palace of this Himalayan country, giving rise to fears that other priceless documents of historical importance might have also vanished from the country, a newspaper reported on Wednesday. [Inset: A cartoon depicting the Indo Nepal Mahakali Water Treaty. Source: http://www.combatlaw.org]

The infamous Sugauli Treaty signed in 1815 with the British East India Company, which was then ruling India, and is seen here as a major blow to Nepal, can’t be traced. It is neither in the National Archives of Nepal, the foreign affairs ministry or the royal palace, which was handed over to the government by deposed king Gyanendra June 11, the Himalayan Times said.

The Sugauli pact was signed to end the 19th century Anglo-Nepalese war and though Nepal was never annexed by the British, it had to concede about one-third of its territory.

Sikkim, Kumaon and Garhwal–which are now part of the Indian state of Uttarakhand–much of the Terai plains in the south and some area that is now in India’s Himachal Pradesh, were wrested from Nepal and became part of India as per the treaty, an action that Nepalis would like to see undone.

Though the Sugauli Treaty was superseded by the Indo-Nepal Peace and Friendship Treaty signed in 1950 with an independent India, the ceded territory was not returned to Nepal.

Several parties and social organisations still support the movement for a Greater Nepal, demanding that India return the lost land to its northern neighbour. The call has been taken up now by the former Maoist guerrillas, who swept the April election and could head the next government.

The Maoists are calling for the review or abrogation of all unequal treaties with India, including the 1950 pact. India has said that it is ready to discuss the demand and talks at the foreign secretary level have already started.

At this crucial juncture, Nepal’s National Archives says it doesn’t have the Sugauli Treaty in its possession.

“We have plenty of religious, cultural and literary documents but no important documents related to great political changes,” Bhim Prasad Nepal, chief of the National Archives, told the daily.

It was believed that the Narayanhity Palace, where Nepal’s kings lived from the 19th century, was the repository of major historic documents, including international treaties.

After dethroned king Gyanendra vacated the palace and it was formally proclaimed a national museum, the government formed a committee to take inventory of the valuables left behind by the former royals.

While the committee is yet to submit its report, one of its members told the Nepali daily on condition of anonymity that the panel did not come across any documents or the fabled lal baksh, a sealed red box in which the former kings were believed to have kept secret state documents.

The palace is proving a nightmare for the government with its enormous collection of disparate objects.
Besides jewellery, statutes, wildlife trophies and objets d’art, it has dozens of cars, cows and boxes crammed with parchments that are ******* with age and are half-eaten by moths.



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If it is true, GoI should seize the opportunity to modify the treaty to profit more.

 

[gpit]

Indian Encroachment Threatening Nepal's Sovereignty

Published: December 10,2005

By Reagan Shrestha

According to official records, Nepal covers a total area of 147,181 Sq km. But in reality, the territory of Nepal is gradually shrinking thanks to increasing encroachment by India that has put the sovereignty of Nepal at stake.

The reports prepared by Buddhi Narayan Shrestha renowned border expert after thorough survey make it evident that India has encroached about 59,970 hectares of Nepali territory at 54 points in 21 districts adjoining India in the east, west and South. But if the areas affected by the unilateral activities of our southern neighbor such as construction of dams and irrigation projects are considered as encroachment, which according to researcher Phanindra Nepal, we should, the number increases to 85 points.

Among the encroached areas, the much disputed Kalapani-Limpiyadhura area with 372 sq km (37,800 hectares) is the largest chunk of Nepali territory encroached by India. The encroachment started right after the India-China border war of November 1962. After facing defeat, the Indian army set up a camp inside Nepal's territory of Kalapani to keep an eye on Chinese activities. But now, they claim the area belongs to India.


The Treaty of Sugauli (1816) has clearly mentioned that the River Mahakali is the borderline of Nepal-India. The crux of the issue in dispute is the determination of the origin of the river Mahakali. "The maps of 1850 and 1856 prepared by the Survey of India with the participation of Nepalese authority clearly states that the river originates from Limpiyadhura, 16 km northwest of Kalapani, which proves that Kalapani belongs to Nepal," says Shrestha.

But the Indian side refuses to accept those maps as proof. They say that the map prepared by them in 1875 should be considered as proof as it was scientifically prepared. But what is remarkable is that the map does not have Nepal's certification. According to the map, the river Mahakali's origin is Lepulek.

In recent times, the Tribeni-Susta situated on the east of Narayani River in the mid-southern part of Nawalparasi district is the most tense area owing to encroachment.

Just a few weeks ago, some Indians invaded Nepali territory in Susta and burnt down all the sugarcane.

About two months ago, over 1000 Indian villagers backed by Indian Border Police Force (Seema Sashastra Bal) SSB had forcibly entered Nepalese territory in Susta. They completely destroyed the sugarcane in about 10 hectares of land and also manhandled men and women.

According to locals of Susta, such incidents are rampant in the area. Sometimes, they send Bihari miscreants to chase away Nepalis from their homes while sometime the Indian police cross the border and manhandle Nepalis on the pretext that they are searching for Munna Khan, an Indian gangster, who was once used by the Indian side to create disorder in Susta, says Shrestha.

Nepali farmers initiated the "Save Susta Campaign" to safeguard Nepalese territory but how long can they stop the Indian side is the question. They say they appealed to Nepalese authorities several times to take necessary action but the authorities are turning a deaf ear to them.

Experts say the changing course of the Narayani River is the main reason behind the dispute. Over the decades, the Narayani River has been changing its course toward the Nepalese side in the west, and the Indians have been trying to capture Nepalese territory. India has so far grabbed about 13,500 hectares of Nepalese land because of this.

The other most talked about point of dispute is Mechi. India's disapproval of Masonry Pillars popularly known as Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars had sparked the Mechi Border dispute.

The map published in January 1818, right after the Sugauli Treaty, shows the Junge Pillars as the main boundary pillars. More importantly, history is evidence that British had erected those pillars as monuments of the Nepal-India border.

But the Nepal-India Joint Technical Border Committee adopted the Persian Map (Urdu script) of 1874 as the reference material, which was provided by the Indian side.

Because of the Nepali side's wrong decision accepting the Persian Map as the basis of demarcation, a total area of 1630 hectares of land has fallen on the Indian side.

Why does India encroach Nepal's land?

Experts are of the view there could be multiple reasons why India eyes Nepali land.

If Phanindra Nepal is to be believed, India wants Kalapani area primarily to keep an eye on the Chinese, Pyaratal for its biological diversity, and a large part of terai land for agriculture," says Nepal. He also says it cannot be ruled out that a power and water hungry India is eyeing Nepal's rivers.

Shrestha also believes that the main reason for encroachment is that India wants to meet the demand for settlement and agriculture for its ever growing population.

What needs to be done to stop encroachment and solve dispute?
According to Shrestha the issue can no longer be solved though bilateral meetings as India is not paying heed to Nepal's point of view. "The issue must be taken to the United Nations as India is not responding to Nepal's call for bilateral meeting," says Shrestha.

But Phanindra Nepal is of the view that lack of sincerity and patriotism are the main drawbacks of the Nepali side while negotiating with their Indian counterparts. He also says collective effort is needed to face the Indian side strongly. "Because of the news carried by the media, government deployed security personnel in Susta area on 28 October," he adds that media should carry border dispute news more frequently.

Besides, civic society must also pressurize the government to take necessary steps soon, he adds.

But we are virtually doing nothing to stop the encroachment and to resolve the existing dispute. Researchers like Shrestha and Nepal say there are so many such points where not even one security personnel has been deployed to guard our territory and citizens.

Altogether, 27 Nepal-India Joint Technical Level Boundary Committee meetings have been held in the last 25 years but they have not yielded any result yet.

Nepaleyes tried to get comments from concerned government officials on the outcomes of those meeting and what the Nepali bureaucracy was planning to do to resolve the dispute, but none them could be reached despite repeated attempts.

 

[gpit]

Also see: India, While Seeking UN Security Council Status, Takes Nepali Land Indian Encroachment Threatening Nepal's Sovereignty

 

[bhangra12345]

Sugauli Treaty - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Sugauli Treaty (also spelled Segowlee and Segqulee) was signed on December 2, 1815 and ratified by March 4, 1816, between the British East India Company and Nepal, which was a kingdom during that era. This ended the second British invasion of the Himalayan kingdom during the Anglo-Nepalese War (1814-1816). The signatory for Nepal was Raj Guru Gajaraj Mishra aided by Chandra Sekher Upadhyaya and the signatory for the Company was Lieutenant-Colonel Paris Bradshaw. The treaty called for territorial concessions on the part of Nepal, the establishment of a British representative in Kathmandu, and allowed Britain to recruit Gurkhas for military service. Nepal also lost the right to deploy any American or European employee in its service (earlier several French commanders had been deployed to train the Nepali army).

Under the treaty, about one-third of Nepalese territory was lost[/SIZE][/B], including Sikkim (whose Chogyals supported Britain in the Anglo-Nepalese War);

In this post of yours, only one word is important. and I have increased its font size so that you can see. At that time Ranjit Singh owned Pakistan + many parts of Afghanistan, Do you want India to ask them back? or say the Afghan-British Durand line treaty after British defeated the Afghans (the present FATA and pusto thing), so that Afghanistan gets back those areas? What exactly do you expect?

and did you even read the link which you posted? It talks of Nepal losing the treaty copy not India

At this crucial juncture, Nepal’s National Archives says it doesn’t have the Sugauli Treaty in its possession.

 

[bhangra12345]

and then about the boundary issue,

Feature News [The Kathmandu Post (Nepal)]

out of 1808 km of boundary, 54 kms has not been demarcated, why? because the boundary in the treaty are rivers. and rivers change courses.

Why just 3 days ago, the river Kosi changed its course and submerged large parts of Bihar.

So for example, if Kosi had the boundary, the boundary according to the treaty has changed, but the country losing the land will cry foul. This is what is happening. The boundary rivers changed course sometime in the 19th century after the treaty was signed, so there are bound to be disputes about it, which take time to resolve.