PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

[Darth Vader]

What if PLA target US instead of carrier? Any analysis there?

with what ? are you talking about Nukes or invasion ?

 

[Rafi]

Virus for humanity But still population growing at steady pace , it seems you are really pissed at Upper cast Indians disowning you ancestors .

Another injun with an inferiority complex.

 

[thesolar65]

Can you please explain how?

O.K here it is How!! They have build a big round red push button with India written over it. One fine morning if the PRC chairman decides he will push the button and we all 1.2 billion Indians will just drop dead...like robots...

 

[shuttler]

with what ? are you talking about Nukes or invasion ?

if the war should develop like that you cant help not bringing in Ruskie, nato, nuke and WW3！

 

[airomerix]

The report is vague. Perhaps China would loose all its fleet after a single carrier. Its all about strategy and luck.
A single song class submarine can sink the 'super carrier' aswell. And we have witnessed this possibility before too.

Now please dont ask me for sources. Google it up. The song class incident.

 

[dray]

What if PLA target US instead of carrier? Any analysis there?

Then PLA would lose 100% of China!!

 

[GR!FF!N]

And You Overestimate your air forces way to much Currently the 4th generation aircraft are not even 300 272 sukhoi of which 171 are only operational and around 50 mirage 2000
and on the Chinese Side Only j 10s are around 300
and about preemptive strike what if China does that who starts 1st will have a advantage for a little time after that all hell will lose on both sides
and we are talking about current Chinese army not the 70s or 80s
You are not fighting with swords Fancey Toys Gives a huge boost
One example US forces vs Iraqi forces they were updated but US Forces had a huge tech on their side
SAMS and troos transport china can deply way faster than india
You cant Deply 70 to 80 of your forces Because around 500000 is only in kashmir if you deply that on the Chinese side you will give pakistan and fighters in kashmir a golden chance to attack

first,
actually IA's size is over 1.3 million and we have fair amount of share of para military forces protecting these borders..it is around 7-8 lakh soldiers(both military and paramilitary) patrolling these borders- in Kashmir,in Sikkim and in Arunachal.

second..

nobody knows how many aircrafts China have and nor their capability.even 300-400 fighter jets are more than enough for a war against China-and thst estimates is based on IAF chief's comment,as IAF doctrine states that they can prevail a 2 front war with 70-80% of their force.now thats not some fanboy stuff,its a doctrine of 4th largest Airforce.

third..

we've fair share of shiny new equipment like China does.but lets estimate how strong force China can send against India while they guard against Taiwan,Japan,Korea and other fronts???

they can send as large force as 3-5 lakh soldiers in an all out war against India.but do they have enough resource to pull out a mountain war against same number or more Indian soldiers??if you study military doctrines,you need atleast 3:1 superiority to win a war in plain while in mountain,you need 6:1 to 8:1 superiority,if you're an aggressor.generally defender enjoy fortification,entrenchment and other privileges.can they field so massive army against India???

next..

we don't count upon Rafale or Super 30 in an war against China.we have 2 bases along the border of Arunachal(actually in Assam) where we already fielded 3 divisions or more Su-30,apart from other ground attack jets and interceptors.plus,we're making solid air defence.now,IAF's doctrine is stating that in case of 2 front war(not just China,but Pakistan too),even jets from southern commands will be airborne to fight against enemy fighters and to perform ground attack.plus,we can flew with full load(which PLAAF jets from Tibet can't carry),plus we've privilege of Tankers and Awacs,all inside of our side.so,you should ask,is it IAF going to only base nearest airbase only???

there are too many factors,too many uncertainties..while IAF's aim will be to contain PLAAF,PLAAF aim will be total Air Supremacy(even you know that can't be done).

as IA chief is saying that IA is well entrenched in all the sectors,you can bet that even if their force overwhelm us to certain extent,it will be a stalemate as even PLA know that no way they can carry their supply lines and heavier tanks,bridges and other equipment through Arunachal or Sikkim or Kashmir.so,how the hell they're going to fight an well entrenched modern army??

only setback till now is road and rail connectivity till now,which is behind the schedule.but around 2016,all of those are going to be completed,enabling IA similar capability to bring man and equipment from plains to mountain in short time.

 

[PAKISTANI MUJAHIDEEN 20]

China wud easily become super power in 3 years both economically nd millitarily CHINA should atleast hve a defence budget of 150 billion dollars 50 billion dollars for land forces 50 billion dollars for navy nd 50 billion dollars for air force if CHINA can keep up its defence budget to 150 billion dollars for the next upcomming 3 years CHINA will definately become a SUPER POWER CHINA has the capability 2 knock out american spy satellites nd spy satellites in general weather it belongs 2 america or anyother country which the other countries lack wat CHINA needs is 2 build atleast 12 air craft carriers in up comming 3 years time so tht CHINA can protect its strategic nd geo political nd economic nd defence interests all around the world nd if CHINA can build 12 air craft carriers in the up comming 3 years then CHINA will b able 2 project its power nd reach beyond its borders ontop of tht CHINA should place thermonuclear ballistic missiles in CUBA nd in LATIN AMERICAN COUNTRIES 2 keep AMERICA at its place nd at its bay ontop of tht CHINA needs 2 station its bombers nd strategic bombers tht can carry thermonuclear icbms nd ballistic missiles nd fighter jets in CUBA close 2 american borders nd in LATIN AMERICA ontop of tht CHINA needs 2 make a naval base in CUBA where it can patrol american coasts with nuclear submarines tht r able 2 carry thermonuclear icbms nd thermonuclear ballistic missiles tht can carry multiple thermonuclear warheads nd nuclear warheads ontop of tht CHINA should hve real time intelligence where r american bases nd air bases nd nuclear reactors nd nuclear weapons stored so in case of war with america or if world war 3 breaks out CHINA wud b ready 2 shower THERMONUCLEAR ICBMS in america nd in american bases air bases nd military infrastructure nd defence establishments nd defence infrastructure nd nuclear command nd control centres in america within minutes ontop of tht CHINA needs 2 strenghten its ties with its strategic partner NORTH KOREA nd help NORTH KOREA reform its economy so tht foreign investors can invest in NORTH KOREA nd can build banks financial instituitions in NORTH KOREA ontop of tht CHINA should give NORTH KOREA its agricultural nd economic nd industrial expertise 2 NORTH KOREA so tht NORTH KOREA becomes self sufficient in food nd in its economy after transforming NORTH KOREAS economy CHINA should give NORTH KOREA S-400s nd S-500s nd 1000 CHINAS BALLISTIC nd INTER CONTINENTAL BALLISTIC MISSILES tht can carry nuclear warheads nd can carry THERMONUCLEAR BALLISTIC MISSILES nd THERMONUCLEAR ICBMS in america nd its allies nd americas bases in the region from where america is trying 2 encircle CHINA CHINA should b ready with all its might 2 b ready if WORLD WAR 3 or war with america breaks out. This should b CHINAS STRATEGY PAPER for the next up comming 3 years wen CHINA will become the SUPER POWER in up comming 3 YEARS both ECONOMICALLY as well as MILITARILY. THANKS

 

[tranquilium]

Then PLA would lose 100% of China!!

And US would also be nuked into oblivion, plus the two countries will also have to nuke Russia, EU and pretty much everyone to prevent them from taking advantage of the fall out. We are talking about a full out nuclear war people. In reality, however, neither US nor China is crazy or stupid, so it won't happen.

The article is talking about a fight that is alleged in Chinese water, but only involve ships. This is absurd, because a country like China on defensive will go something like this:

1. Systemically wiping out opponent's satellite to wipe out space based communication and observation
2. Employ electronic warfare to disrupt the rest of the opponent's ability to communicate
3. Launch Land based aircrafts to exhaust the opponent's ability to fend off attacks
4. Use combined land/plane/ship based missile attack to overwhelm the target.

The actual engagement using the navy is about the last on the last step of a very long list. In many cases the navy is not even needed because land-based aircrafts are generally better than naval based ones and land based missiles generally has better range. This is, of course, well after the massive information warfare that would cripple the opponent's ability to respond.

Basically, the navy is there to handle smaller nations. When facing major countries on their home turf, you gonna have to face attacks from more than five directions (undersea, sea surface, land, air, space and eletronic, etc). That is a lot more than a fleet can handle.

 

[ephone]

Just like McArthur said, he would enjoy Christmas back in the united states in the 1950.

Well, indeed he enjoyed it very lonely after being kicked in the butt and removed all positions after humiliating defeat by the Chinese Army he thought that was so inferior...

Defence News - PLA would lose 40% of its fleet to sink a US carrier

 

[Darth Vader]

if the war should develop like that you cant help not bringing in Ruskie, nato, nuke and WW3！

You Mean Nato VS Russia + China well then their will be no winner Cz IF Nato nows they are about to lose they will nuke
if China and russia know they are about to lose they will Nuke which will start a full on NUKE WAR IDM no winner

War it self is a enemy
But Nato have advtange in tech
and China and russia lets just if they are not less in tech but they do enjoy a numbers game

 

[shuttler]

You Mean Nato VS Russia + China well then their will be no winner Cz IF Nato nows they are about to lose they will nuke
if China and russia know they are about to lose they will Nuke which will start a full on NUKE WAR IDM no winner

War it self is a enemy
But Nato have advtange in tech
and China and russia lets just if they are not less in tech but they do enjoy a numbers game

b*ll shitting on forum doesnt give you a sure winner
My projection for WW3 is valid and most probable!

We may have lost 95% and you 90% leaving 10% to breath for another 3 to 5 years on death beds!

 

[Darth Vader]

first,
actually IA's size is over 1.3 million and we have fair amount of share of para military forces protecting these borders..it is around 7-8 lakh soldiers(both military and paramilitary) patrolling these borders- in Kashmir,in Sikkim and in Arunachal.

second..

nobody knows how many aircrafts China have and nor their capability.even 300-400 fighter jets are more than enough for a war against China-and thst estimates is based on IAF chief's comment,as IAF doctrine states that they can prevail a 2 front war with 70-80% of their force.now thats not some fanboy stuff,its a doctrine of 4th largest Airforce.

third..

we've fair share of shiny new equipment like China does.but lets estimate how strong force China can send against India while they guard against Taiwan,Japan,Korea and other fronts???

they can send as large force as 3-5 lakh soldiers in an all out war against India.but do they have enough resource to pull out a mountain war against same number or more Indian soldiers??if you study military doctrines,you need atleast 3:1 superiority to win a war in plain while in mountain,you need 6:1 to 8:1 superiority,if you're an aggressor.generally defender enjoy fortification,entrenchment and other privileges.can they field so massive army against India???

next..

we don't count upon Rafale or Super 30 in an war against China.we have 2 bases along the border of Arunachal(actually in Assam) where we already fielded 3 divisions or more Su-30,apart from other ground attack jets and interceptors.plus,we're making solid air defence.now,IAF's doctrine is stating that in case of 2 front war(not just China,but Pakistan too),even jets from southern commands will be airborne to fight against enemy fighters and to perform ground attack.plus,we can flew with full load(which PLAAF jets from Tibet can't carry),plus we've privilege of Tankers and Awacs,all inside of our side.so,you should ask,is it IAF going to only base nearest airbase only???

there are too many factors,too many uncertainties..while IAF's aim will be to contain PLAAF,PLAAF aim will be total Air Supremacy(even you know that can't be done).

as IA chief is saying that IA is well entrenched in all the sectors,you can bet that even if their force overwhelm us to certain extent,it will be a stalemate as even PLA know that no way they can carry their supply lines and heavier tanks,bridges and other equipment through Arunachal or Sikkim or Kashmir.so,how the hell they're going to fight an well entrenched modern army??

only setback till now is road and rail connectivity till now,which is behind the schedule.but around 2016,all of those are going to be completed,enabling IA similar capability to bring man and equipment from plains to mountain in short time.

1
Both Forces have almost equal number of personals
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My Friend these claims had been made before
1965 1971 all out war even the numbers were in indian side Pakistan air forces achieved air superiority not even able to equal the odds where india had huge numbers advantage
3
i what makes you think that they can only deploy only 3 to 5 lakh Soldiers
4
IF you ready my 1st post i didn't included india because i knew the terrain is not suitable for a massaive , China will try to Hold instead of waiting and will try to achieve air superiority with air force and air raids same for India they will try to hold it, the invaders have to give a huge numbers of troops No matter which 1 is

 

[Hyperion]

Hence the doctrine "MAD"..... no harm shall ever come to any country that has verifiable nuclear deterrence. In short, China & the U.S. are never going to go to full scale war, even @ the cost of China gaining some lost territories (Taiwan etc), or the US shooting down a few Chinese jets.

Only countries which are going to suffer are the ones without nukes, or are incapable of delivering them. Simple as that, no need for any "in-depth" analysis!

Swift retaliation... Not very in-depth analysis I realize, but its what would happen.

 

[Darth Vader]

b*ll shitting on forum doesnt give you a sure winner
My projection for WW3 is valid and most probable!

We may have lost 95% and you 90% leaving 10% to breath for another 3 to 5 years on death beds!

dude i m not bull shitting
Just give me 1 answer what will be last resort of China if they knew they are on the brink of last and only have Nukes left ? they gone wait for Others to win the war or they gone use it Vice versa