PK 18 Battlefield Rifle , SMG PK 21 (AK-103) and PK-10 are way forward

[Army research]

Bro let's hope it's at least a clone and not a repackaged import! I'm still not sure if we're sourcing the majority of the materials necessary to manufacture these firearms locally (yet). In fact, weren't we importing quite a few parts and materials for the LSR? @Army research @PAR 5

The barrel for the LSR yet it was stated the future aim is to build the barrel locally too ,
Recently a lot of MOU have been signed especially for manufacturing machinery,

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

The barrel for the LSR yet it was stated the future aim is to build the barrel locally too ,
Recently a lot of MOU have been signed especially for manufacturing machinery,

Not the barrel but furniture, from what we have read is based on surgeon.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Bro let's hope it's at least a clone and not a repackaged import! I'm still not sure if we're sourcing the majority of the materials necessary to manufacture these firearms locally (yet). In fact, weren't we importing quite a few parts and materials for the LSR? @Army research @PAR 5

I am expecting something indigenous from a company POF which has all the resources and expertise. Even darra Adam khel tribals make clones ,we should expect something big and better from POF. POF is no joke.

 

[YeBeWarned]

I was busy with some other stuff....seeking mercy from HIM

I hope you get what seek bhai, good to have you back

 

[Zarvan]

just to let you and others know, the variant developed by POF is NOT AK103....they may call it 103 but it is not, it is just clone of AKM.....

AK103 comes with 90degree Gas block tube where as AKM / Type 56, comes with 45degree gas block tube....below picture for understanding
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Changing stock from Underfolder to Sidefolding is a bumer, it requires different rear trinion.....whatever decide to do, it will have to be done during manufacturing process so required parts can be swapped out.....thing with 7.62x39 and 5.45x39 is that their accuracy is not much effected by shorter barrel unlike 5.56 which gets effected due to loss of velocity

Pakistan is improving its relations with Russia and producing some version or a copy of AK without their permission would be a disaster. I think we have reached the deal with them for producing AK-103 in Pakistan and that is why AK-103 was also written and most likely we may hear the final announcement during IDEAS next year. And I think eventually it would be AK-203 which would be produced.

 

[pzfz]

neither is the AK style rifle an AK103, the PK 18's mag also looks to be a 5.56x45 one. mislabeling happening.

Pakistan is improving its relations with Russia and producing some version or a copy of AK without their permission would be a disaster. And I think eventually it would be AK-203 which would be produced.

wishful thinking their brainius. on one hand producing a copy of a version not agreed to would be a disaster and on the other hand you want Pak to produce a rifle not in the contract? Pak will never get the ak203, which is mostly a marketing ploy to attract fanbois who know next to nothing.

as for the rifle its DI and it's reliability is going thru unnecessary critique. it's there for accuracy and if the operative requires reliability, handling, rate and "toughness" a 762x51 AR pattern isn't going to be chosen as the weapon of choice in the first place.

 

[PAR 5]

For the newbies here who ask why POF copies?

Because 'copying' is far easier and cheaper than 'creating' an original design.

 

[RAMPAGE]

if POF really wants PA to adopt their weapons then they need to come out of their 1000 yrs old outdated mentality. They need to get creative and cut the bullcrap.
AK is a rough and tough toy and they need to make it fit the needs of units in field.
We need something along these lines which is practical and eyecandy.....it will surely turn some heads at PA to look and explore

Turns out the people at Kalashnikov had PA in mind when they were working on their AK308.

Watch from 3:30 onwards.

 

[Zarvan]

neither is the AK style rifle an AK103, the PK 18's mag also looks to be a 5.56x45 one. mislabeling happening.



wishful thinking their brainius. on one hand producing a copy of a version not agreed to would be a disaster and on the other hand you want Pak to produce a rifle not in the contract? Pak will never get the ak203, which is mostly a marketing ploy to attract fanbois who know next to nothing.

as for the rifle its DI and it's reliability is going thru unnecessary critique. it's there for accuracy and if the operative requires reliability, handling, rate and "toughness" a 762x51 AR pattern isn't going to be chosen as the weapon of choice in the first place.

Remember one thing when it comes to Russia and China we always don't announce out contracts with them. We buy weapons and than after a year or two of inducting them we announce even that is not announced directly by Army but shown in Government record and leaked online or shown in parade or some other way. So if you haven't heard of any contract with AK that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. It's not wishful thinking Janab. I know how things work and are working between Pakistan and China and Russia.

For the newbies here who ask why POF copies?

Because 'copying' is far easier and cheaper than 'creating' an original design.

AK-103 is not a copy we are not going to coping AK-103 and destroy our relation with Russia. We mostly likely have signed the contract and will announce later.

 

[Amaa'n]

AK-103 is not a copy we are not going to coping AK-103 and destroy our relation with Russia. We mostly likely have signed the contract and will announce later.

why are you calling the above gun as AK103? any particular reason ?
so far i haven't seen anything on this weapon that qualifies it as AK103.....

Turns out the people at Kalashnikov had PA in mind when they were working on their AK308.

Watch from 3:30 onwards.

AK is a design that was build around a very specific catridge which was 7.62
whatever Russians came up with after that required all lot of work and over the years they had managed to improve the design....like AKS 74u had it's fair share of issues when it was initially introduced....but with RnD over the time they improved it......Same goes for 5.56 in AK, it had cycling issues in PDW/ SBR confirguation when it initiallly came out in 2007.....there are still issues with the accuracy as the weapon is not build around 5.56 but they have done some good work.....
so when thinking about AK308, we cannot just take it as Mil weapon, it will need to be studied by Weaponologists and experts.....all lot of factors will have to be checked before we even consider for trails

 

[Zarvan]

why are you calling the above gun as AK103? any particular reason ?
so far i haven't seen anything on this weapon that qualifies it as AK103.....


AK is a design that was build around a very specific catridge which was 7.62
whatever Russians came up with after that required all lot of work and over the years they had managed to improve the design....like AKS 74u had it's fair share of issues when it was initially introduced....but with RnD over the time they improved it......Same goes for 5.56 in AK, it had cycling issues in PDW/ SBR confirguation when it initiallly came out in 2007.....there are still issues with the accuracy as the weapon is not build around 5.56 but they have done some good work.....
so when thinking about AK308, we cannot just take it as Mil weapon, it will need to be studied by Weaponologists and experts.....all lot of factors will have to be checked before we even consider for trails

Because Pak Army on display called it AK 103

 

[RAMPAGE]

why are you calling the above gun as AK103? any particular reason ?
so far i haven't seen anything on this weapon that qualifies it as AK103.....


AK is a design that was build around a very specific catridge which was 7.62
whatever Russians came up with after that required all lot of work and over the years they had managed to improve the design....like AKS 74u had it's fair share of issues when it was initially introduced....but with RnD over the time they improved it......Same goes for 5.56 in AK, it had cycling issues in PDW/ SBR confirguation when it initiallly came out in 2007.....there are still issues with the accuracy as the weapon is not build around 5.56 but they have done some good work.....
so when thinking about AK308, we cannot just take it as Mil weapon, it will need to be studied by Weaponologists and experts.....all lot of factors will have to be checked before we even consider for trails

Yes, but I'm more curious than skeptical since the Kalashnikov representative says that they were cognisant of PA's requirements when they were designing the weapon. The weapon's intended primary market is clearly not civilian .308 enthusiasts.

 

[Amaa'n]

Because Pak Army on display called it AK 103
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i know, they also call an Assault rifle 'ESS EM GEE" .....

you need to understand the difference between AK103 and AKM / 47....
AKM comes with Ribbed dust cover while it is simple stamped / pressed Dust Cover on AK103

AKM comes with 45degree gas port while AK103 comes with 90degree....this helps in improving the accuracy and cycling reliability

AKM comes without Muzzle device i.e flash hider or muzzle brake while AK103 comes with one .....
AKM comes with underfolder butt while AK103 comes with Side folder

these are the key differences i can see from the pictures.....
that is why am saying, POF is trying to sell the old horse with new clothes....heck

 

[dr_jawwad71]

I have mixed feelings just by looking at the pictures . If the whole process is in preliminary stages, then its ok. The approach is good at least we are trying to produce our weapons domestically. It will be much cost effective and is duely expected from organization like POF. However the introducltion of DI system is frustrating. I am sure no new rifle is produced on that syatem. Nobody in the world likes DI.
Furniture of pk21 is disoppointing, if it is a final design. Even smaller companies in USA producing gadgets and accessories to modernize AK systems and making these rifles more sodiers friendly esthetically and ergonomically.

 

[Sine Nomine]

Because Pak Army on display called it AK 103
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AKMS
The rifle POF has shown is AKMS,with underfolding stock, AK-103 style hand guard and slant cut muzzle brake.
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AK-103
While AK-103 has side folding stock,Gas vent canted 90°,AK-74 style muzzle brake and on left side a dove-tail rail for mounting scopes.