Pipeline may isolate Pakistan globally

[Pandora]

Qadri has too much international goodwill, he is the one who can mend Pakistan's way of dealing with Indians. He is the one bringing money from overseas for Pakistan when the need be. He is against terrorism. He is India friendly with no war mongering attitude.....

His drawback, he does not believe in Jihad.
He is the one, a potential savior of Pakistan.
Take it or leave it.
Choose it or loose it.

Qadri himself cant form an entire government. He should support Imran Khan as both are aiming for same goals.

 

[MilSpec]

Gone are those day!
Saudis for the first time extradiated to india a Key terrorist Abu jandal who has started singing and implicating ISI and PA in Mumbai attack. and more, if Saudi is investing billions in India means they dont want any terrorism in India. Saudi has changed its perception already.
KSA offers India $ 625 bn investment opportunities | ArabNews

saudis are not investing in India, they are inviting Indians to invest in saudi..

 

[SatishChandra07]

same for TAPI line. The greater threat to that as well is from Indian backed BLA terrorists.

exactly, so any pipeline going thru this region right now is unfeasible.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Not if Imran khan comes to power. He can certainly turn our country on the right track. Wadera system is also a problem for India as otherwise indian economy would be twice the size as it is now.

If pakistan was recieving any aid then our government dancing with their heads upside down. No aid is good for us in many ways as "Better to be poor than a beggar".

care to explain the bolded part

sir with deu respect we dont have wadera sysytem it was killed 60 years back even before owr first elections took place yes we have a very very corrupt congress govt but that is like a dynesti rule but its onli political in nature not socio ecomomikk as in your nations so called love with feudal system

well mazrat ke saath the second part is realli hillarious to hear from a pakistani member well sir care to explain how will pakistan survive when its feudals and politicians and indusrtialists are reluctant to pay the taxes and withowt US & Saudia help how will pakistani ecomomy survive

 

[mehboobkz]

what is wadera system?

On Topic> It is well known that US is against this pipeline and may use certain measures so that Pak quits the project.

Waderas are concentrated in Sindh who are big land lords or land mafias as they are known jokingly.
They are very powerful, both with money muscles and political stick.

 

[MilSpec]

care to explain the bolded part

sir with deu respect we dont have wadera sysytem it was killed 60 years back even before owr first elections took place yes we have a very very corrupt congress govt but that is like a dynesti rule but its onli political in nature not socio ecomomikk as in your nations so called love with feudal system

well mazrat ke saath the second part is realli hillarious to hear from a pakistani member well sir care to explain how will pakistan survive when its feudals and politicians and indusrtialists are reluctant to pay the taxes and withowt US & Saudia help how will pakistani ecomomy survive

By extorting TAPI gas flowto India... if ever built!

 

[mehboobkz]

"Better to be poor than a beggar".

Countries are not run on emotions.

 

[Pandora]

what is wadera system?

On Topic> It is well known that US is against this pipeline and may use certain measures so that Pak quits the project.

The guy before was refering to having influential rich people in our parliment. Wadera system means a system with majority of rich people like land lords holding all the power.

Well there is no point being a nation if we cant even pull handle this much pressure.

ADB sees no reason for Pak-Iran gas pipeline sanctions

Feudalism was banned in India in 1953, so your assessment is wrong.

Feudals come in different shapes and sizes. Sonia ghandi can influence decisions by sitting outside Parliament but then this discussion is about pakistan not india so should stay on topic.

 

[jha]

This pipeline is a test for both Pakistan and USA. Will be interesting to see who blinks first.
Though Pakistan needs this gas desperately, certain quarters in Pakistan itself are not satisfied with the deal. The price seems to be on higher side.

 

[Pandora]

care to explain the bolded part

sir with deu respect we dont have wadera sysytem it was killed 60 years back even before owr first elections took place yes we have a very very corrupt congress govt but that is like a dynesti rule but its onli political in nature not socio ecomomikk as in your nations so called love with feudal system

well mazrat ke saath the second part is realli hillarious to hear from a pakistani member well sir care to explain how will pakistan survive when its feudals and politicians and indusrtialists are reluctant to pay the taxes and withowt US & Saudia help how will pakistani ecomomy survive

Discussion will get off track. Should be discussed in separate thread.

About the other part i meant that better to be poor with self respect rather than taking aid from other like a beggar. In my opinion countries who loose their self respect loose their identity. I also mentioned above that next election will going to decide a lot of things for us.

 

[INDIC]

Feudals come in different shapes and sizes. Sonia ghandi can influence decisions by sitting outside Parliament but then this discussion is about pakistan not india so should stay on topic.

Dude, this is not feudalism, get your fact corrected.

 

[mehboobkz]

The guy before was refering to having influential rich people in our parliment. Wadera system means a system with majority of rich people like land lords holding all the power.

Well there is no point being a nation if we cant even pull handle this much pressure.

ADB sees no reason for Pak-Iran gas pipeline sanctions



Feudals come in different shapes and sizes. Sonia ghandi can influence decisions by sitting outside Parliament but then this discussion is about pakistan not india so should stay on topic.

From yr link:

He said that the caretaker set up could hold talks with the International Monetary Fund (IMF) over a loan program, adding that the ADB’s loan was linked to the IMF loan.

 

[Pandora]

This pipeline is a test for both Pakistan and USA. Will be interesting to see who blinks first.
Though Pakistan needs this gas desperately, certain quarters in Pakistan itself are not satisfied with the deal. The price seems to be on higher side.

Price is certainly lower than what Omani and Qatri companies were offering us for LPG. Only other option is TAPI which is more like a no option considering it has to come through afghanistan. Current Afghan government is very unreliable. It is either this or nothing.

From yr link:

I was just trying to mention what ADB said in terms of US sanctions not the loan. We certainly don't need any more loans from IMF otherwise it will become a never ending cycle.

 

[Dillinger]

@mehboobkz @smuhs1 @arp2041

Its unlikely that the US will slap serious sanctions on Pakistan till at least 2014, the pressure from KSA and Israel will be deflected till the bulk of the US forces and equipment in Afghanistan are moved out. But this is hardly a matter to cheer upon. The default of payment crisis looming on Pakistan is not new, nor unique, the nation faced a similar crisis in 2008 and from now to 2014 is not a period wherein appreciable economic improvements can be made in order to fortify the economy. Even minor and "lackluster" sanctions will have a heavy unsettling effect on the Pakistani economy.

After 2014 all bets are off, the Iranian standoff does not seem to be headed towards any solution any time soon. Tensions will only rise in the region as Iran pursues its nuclear ambition, as that happens the US will face correspondingly increasing pressure from KSA, Israel and even Turkey to further isolate Iran. Under these circumstances severe sanctions are not just possible but rather extremely likely. The US will then enforce such punitive measures and the EU will follow its lead. People tend to forget, once you sit in the IMF or the WB's lap- your term isn't over after you've taken the loan, the interest payments last for years and till the end of that period so does the nation's abject subservience to said agencies. Under such a scenario it is most likely that within a two year period the Pakistani economy is headed towards a rather large and rather unpleasant upheaval.
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[mehboobkz]

I was just trying to mention what ADB said in terms of US sanctions not the loan. We certainly don't need any more loans from IMF otherwise it will become a never ending cycle.

Ohh my!
Once again this circular argument that reaches where it started from!
without further loans, how would you repay 5 billions that are due in a very near future?