Peshawar school attackers mostly Pakistan nationals: DG ISPR!

[jamahir]

Yes... MKO apes did...

how??

 

[Norwegian]

Yes... MKO apes did...

Sounds like Iranian Leftie Talibans to me:
People's Mujahedin of Iran - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

how??

Read above

 

[janon]

Not sure what law says regarding use of children in war as all parties used children during WW2!

International law says that:
1) States should do everything in their power to ensure that children under 15 do not take part in direct hostilties.
2) Children between 15 and 18 may voluntarily be allowed into combat.
3) Nobody under 18 should be conscripted. (ie, forced to join the military.)

The Geneva conventions of 1949 states:

The Parties to the conflict shall take all feasible measures in order that children who have not attained the age of fifteen years do not take a direct part in hostilities and, in particular, they shall refrain from recruiting them into their armed forces. In recruiting among those persons who have attained the age of fifteen years but who have not attained the age of eighteen years, the Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to give priority to those who are oldest.

It vanished just as all protest vanish; how long did it take for protests in India over Rape, in America over Wall-Street mess-ups, in France over Charlie Hebdo vanished ?

The difference is that in India there are no counter protests supporting rape, none in America arguing for more wall street mess ups, or in France justifying the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

However in Pakistan, protests against Lal Masjid or other islamic fanatists is few and far between. But protests in their support are far more numerous. In Pakistan, there were more rallies against Charlie Hebdo than against the killers - if there was even one of the latter.

So when rare protests against religious fundamentalists vanish and get forgotten so soon, whereas rallies supporting them are far more numerous, far more impassioned and far more long lasting, the question naturally arises, as to what the majority of Pakistanis think like.

 

[Armstrong]

It's not co-existing we are talking about. It's putting one's religion which will open itself for exploitations from outside, in some cases, over the state to an extent that one is willing to work against his/her own state as demonstrated by the "extremists". For the well being of a state, its citizens should put the country before religion or ethnicity (yes it the same applies to ethnicity). Once ethnicity comes to the top of priorities, then it only results in a conflict as seen in Sri Lanka. On the other hand putting religion/ethnicity over the state means that opening oneself to discriminate against his/her own countrymen who are not belonged to his/her religion or ethnicity.

In my opinion, as long as you don't realise this, the conflict will continue.

And yet when religion and country are not on an ideological collision course with each other because they both derive historical and narrative based legitimacy from the other the question of putting religion before country or country before religion becomes absurd.

What your anthropological analysis lacks is the realization that anything can be 'exploited from outside' or how else do you think the US and the Soviets sparred out with each other ? Money, ethnicity, religion, family etc. - Anything ! What it, unfortunately, comes short on as well is the fact that people who betray their country aren't exactly the paragons of exemplary character to be not swayed by one of those 'anythings' !

Additionally you ought to really ponder why is it that it is only in the past 3 decades that religious fanaticism has gripped the Muslim world ? Why not before ? Muslims were Muslims were before as were their views, sensibilities and sensitivities. Because of a terrible confluence of atrociously bad adventurism by the US and her allies (including Pakistan) and the venomous turf war that has raged on between the Arabs and the Iranians since the '79 Revolution. If Pakistanis place religion before country do the Iraqis do the same ? Did the Lebanese do the same ? Were the Iranians when they were dealing with the insurgency in Sistan-Baluchistan doing the same ? Were the Yemenis in their conflict with the Houtis doing something on similar lines ?

And yet isn't it ironic that none of them had any material threat from fanatics before the convergence of the above two reasons !

You should read Akbar S Ahmed's 'The Thistle and the Drone' - Hes an anthropologist who served in those troubled areas and takes a very empirical approach to understanding this issue !

 

[waleed3601]

The problem with Pakistanis is that for them religion comes first before anything else including nationality and the same sentiments could be interpreted in many different ways (seeing fellow Muslim countrymen as infidels therefore they deserv to die) and could be exploited (if so-called foreign agents are involved) to cause mayhem inside Pakistan. Someone here mentioned Iran. In Iran, even for the most conservative muslims, the country comes first as seen in this very own forum so they will never involve in such a barbaric attack against their own people.

i think part of the reason is that iran is an exclusive country which has a long history and cultural heritage i.e. they're all part of one ethnic group which is persian they have common dress food language norms etc whereas in Pakistan it's the exact opposite and all these different ethnicities were made to join together and forced to live with each other whether or not it was of their own will so the concept of nationalism becomes very difficult. but then again, nationalism is more prevalent among the middle classes and upper classes whereas the elite and the lower strata couldn't give 2 craps about 'Pakistan'. the only way to promote national unity is through development and education but again the problem of the tribals who are super arrogant and unwilling to develop comes up.
well we're on the right track so i hope we get over it someday and people start thinking as Pakistanis first than muslims.
as one author put it 'the day Pakistan's extremist problems end are when the the people start thinking of themselves as a singular nation-state and not an Ummah checkpost'.

 

[Armstrong]

The difference is that in India there are no counter protests supporting rape, none in America arguing for more wall street mess ups, or in France justifying the Charlie Hebdo attacks.

However in Pakistan, protests against Lal Masjid or other islamic fanatists is few and far between. But protests in their support are far more numerous. In Pakistan, there were more rallies against Charlie Hebdo than against the killers - if there was even one of the latter.

So when rare protests against religious fundamentalists vanish and get forgotten so soon, whereas rallies supporting them are far more numerous, far more impassioned and far more long lasting, the question naturally arises, as to what the majority of Pakistanis think like.

Thats the nature of contentious issues and every society has a different flavor of them which is precisely why you see Gay Rights activists and Anti-Gay protesters butting their heads with each other for that is a contentious issues in American society; Free speech is not nor is the Siphoning off people's retirement funds !

And who told you that protests against religious fanatics are rare and soon forgotten while their converse are not ? What empirical approach did you actually use to arrive at this conclusion ?

 

[Jungibaaz]

Of course, though this is a tough pill for some pathetic Pakistanis to swallow. Still living in denial, making damn sure that every death goes in vain.

 

[That Guy]

The above picture is not from Peshawar attacks but Ashkelon, Israel:

BBC News - Israeli photographer 'horrified' at use of bloody shoe photo

Its shameful and horrific how someone could take advantage of victims of Hamas terrorist attacks and portray them as victims of TTP!

I really don't care where the photo is from, please don't post such gruesome photos.

 

[Norwegian]

I really don't care where the photo is from, please don't post such gruesome photos.

Its removed.

Of course, though this is a tough pill for some pathetic Pakistanis to swallow. Still living in denial, making damn sure that every death goes in vain.

If you weren't a mod of PDF, I was sure that your above comment was enough for you to be banned or even worse; labeled traitor!

 

[janon]

Indians still have some heart left. After 26/11 attacks in Mumbai, most Pakistanis didn't react at all!

Or worse, they reacted with the same old song of "false flag attack" by RAW. If bearded barbarians murder schoolchildren in Peshawar, India is responsible. When gunmen from Faridkot shoot and grenade innocent people in Mumbai, India is still responsible. It's always India, you see.

Anyway, despite this ostrich like avoidance of harsh reality from most Pakistanis, and their baseless and hurtful theories of India doing all the attacks in both countries, we still feel empathy for innocent victim anywhere, especially children. That is more important to us than convincing reality deniers.

 

[Jungibaaz]

If you weren't a mod of PDF, I was sure that your above comment was enough for you to be banned or even worse; labeled traitor!

Mod just saves me from unholy retribution by banning, the traitor part is not that rare.

 

[Norwegian]

Mod just saves me from unholy retribution by banning, the traitor part is not that rare.

Hehehe

 

[janon]

of course i am deeply saddened by the fact that an innocent kid was killed in the attack .

they launched an un-guided rocket with no intentions to kill an innocent kid , but killing kids intentionally - like TTP and Israeli regime - is utter animalistic

Well, when you launch unguided rockets at civilian centers, children will get killed along with adults. But yes, they were not specifically targetting children, like the TTP did in the APS massacre.

 

[Areesh]

LOL. Pakistani intelligence agencies were supporting Afghan Taliban all along. Name those countries that recognized Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan in the 90's? Pakistan, Saudia and UAE. None else! If Afghan Taliban were good terrorists supported by ISI, why are TTP bad terrorists? Got it!

First make your mind what you want to say b@stard. Like even b@stards have clarity in their position. You on the hand is unique case who doesn't even know what he is talking. First you say Pakistan supported terrorists then you also have problem fighting against terrorists. No wonder I call you a ch!tya. You are a ch*tya of a special kind.

 

[Mugwop]

There are plenty of punjabi taliban aswell... aswell as educated urban youth who are involved in terrorism.


Saying what? its the fault of tribals n their upbringing?

One of the kids who survived said that the attackers had really long beards and spoke arabic or some foreign language close to it.